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Old 01-24-2019, 11:04 PM   #1
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There have already been several comments about the NY state law that passed that now permits late term abortion. This has been the best analogy Iíve seen so far

So a doctor and a mass murderer walk into a building. The doctor walks in and gives abortion to a 30 week old child, at about the same time a mass murder shoots at a woman with a 30 week old child inside her, the child dies but she survives. The doctor lives to abort another day. The psychopath murderer is charged with 1st degree murder and is sentenced to life without parole.

All 3 of my kids were born at 36 weeks or less. None of them required extended hospitalization or procedures. This is murder, plain and simple.
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Yes it is. I bet if that same law was passed about aborting puppies just before they were born, people would be going crazy.

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wow....
my oldest was born at 32 weeks...

F NY....
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wow....
my oldest was born at 32 weeks...

F NY....
Same here..

F em..

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There have already been several comments about the NY state law that passed that now permits late term abortion. This has been the best analogy Iíve seen so far

So a doctor and a mass murderer walk into a building. The doctor walks in and gives abortion to a 30 week old child, at about the same time a mass murder shoots at a woman with a 30 week old child inside her, the child dies but she survives. The doctor lives to abort another day. The psychopath murderer is charged with 1st degree murder and is sentenced to life without parole.

All 3 of my kids were born at 36 weeks or less. None of them required extended hospitalization or procedures. This is murder, plain and simple.
Itís actually a bad analogy because this new law doesnít consider the baby to be a person. The psychopath would not get charged with murder.
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Itís actually a bad analogy because this new law doesnít consider the baby to be a person. The psychopath would not get charged with murder.
What are you talking about? This new law does not apply to violent homicide.

As I understand it, if a Dr does it with momís consent= ok
Anyone else does it = murder
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The mindset and morality of Democrats is disgusting.
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Pure evil !!!! Plain and simple
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These are some evil bastages up there especially NY governor and NY mayor.
Special place in hades for these vile people. They are murderers same as if they bashed the babies head in with a hammer.
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Yep
Evil has totally taken a firm grip on that party

As I understand the NY law abortion can be done up to full term and if baby survives the attempt it can be killed after birth.....and can be performed by just about anyone you trust to get it done.
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they have no morality,,
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They cheered and applauded as he signed this bill, and Cuomo touts himself as a devout Catholic...
Hypocrisy is astounding
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So you shoot and kill a pregnant woman in NY now and you don't get charged with two counts of murder?
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So you shoot and kill a pregnant woman in NY now and you don't get charged with two counts of murder?
Nope, not the way the law reads that his royal a**hole signed.
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Satan is prowling around looking for those he can devour. He is having a feast !
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My wife mentioned a few days ago the One World Trade Center was lit pink in celebration of this law. I had to look it up because I remember reading about this particular form of abortion at least a decade ago.
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They will answer for this one day and they will not be cheering then.
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No real Catholic approves of any kind of abortion.

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Yeah, except part of that same bill changed how ALL unborn are treated. Now, in NY, if a person kills a pregnant mother the person is only charged with killing her, not the unborn child. The bill basically says a baby isn't a baby or a human until he or she is born.
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Andrew Cuomo says pro-lifers are not welcome in the State of New York


https://www.liveaction.org/news/andr...e-of-new-york/
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https://www.liveaction.org/news/andr...e-of-new-york/
Mr. Cuomo, since you undoubtedly support these post birth aborations may I remind you its never to late to practice your beliefs and just self abort. Set an example for all your followers to follow and make the world a better place while you're at it.
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I read into it a little because of all the outrage. Seems like the major change is allowing late term (after 24 weeks) abortions IF the fetus isn’t viable or when necessary to protect the life of the mother. That part of it, to me, is not unreasonable.

I’m not a fan of abortion, and I’d be willing to be that even its supporters are not chomping at the bits to kill babies, as many would have us think. It’s a sad thing, and I think most everyone would agree with that. We need to focus on preventing unwanted pregnancies. I’d much rather pay for effective birth control than someone’s unwanted, government (taxpayer) dependent child.

At the end of the day, I can’t take a strong stance against abortion and have a clear conscious. I am not at the front of the line to adopt, for example, a drug addicted child of color. Neither are 99% of the people yelling about it, or foster systems wouldn’t be full of unwanted children. It is a character flaw on my part and I’m not scared to admit it, because I know there are a lot of good folks out there that are trying to adopt.

In my opinion, until you’re ready to stand outside that clinic, flag down the next desperate, sad young lady that walks through that parking lot, and offer to take on the burden of her child, both emotionally and financially, you don’t have a leg to stand on. I think people know that and it gets to them.
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At the end of the day, I canít take a strong stance against abortion and have a clear conscious. I am not at the front of the line to adopt, for example, a drug addicted child of color. Neither are 99% of the people yelling about it, or foster systems wouldnít be full of unwanted children. It is a character flaw on my part and Iím not scared to admit it, because I know there are a lot of good folks out there that are trying to adopt.

In my opinion, until youíre ready to stand outside that clinic, flag down the next desperate, sad young lady that walks through that parking lot, and offer to take on the burden of her child, both emotionally and financially, you donít have a leg to stand on. I think people know that and it gets to them.
This is why I have always been pro choice. Not loud and proud about it by any means though.
It is usually not a good well rounded person(s) who go in for abortions. You think San Fran, Chicago, Baltimore etc etc are bad now....imagine if abortion had always been illegal??
So by this logic you would think Dems would be against it right? Almost guaranteeing endless millions of future democrats. Instead they support killing their own.
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I read into it a little because of all the outrage. Seems like the major change is allowing late term (after 24 weeks) abortions IF the fetus isnít viable or when necessary to protect the life of the mother. That part of it, to me, is not unreasonable.
- Read the definition of "health of the mother."
According to Doe Vs. Bolton it's "physical, emotional, psychological, familial, and the woman's age - relevant to the well-being of the patient."
ie: my mom will be be mad so it's in my best health interest to abort.

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Iím not a fan of abortion, and Iíd be willing to be that even its supporters are not chomping at the bits to kill babies, as many would have us think. Itís a sad thing, and I think most everyone would agree with that. We need to focus on preventing unwanted pregnancies. Iíd much rather pay for effective birth control than someoneís unwanted, government (taxpayer) dependent child.

At the end of the day, I canít take a strong stance against abortion and have a clear conscious. I am not at the front of the line to adopt, for example, a drug addicted child of color. Neither are 99% of the people yelling about it, or foster systems wouldnít be full of unwanted children. It is a character flaw on my part and Iím not scared to admit it, because I know there are a lot of good folks out there that are trying to adopt.

In my opinion, until youíre ready to stand outside that clinic, flag down the next desperate, sad young lady that walks through that parking lot, and offer to take on the burden of her child, both emotionally and financially, you donít have a leg to stand on. I think people know that and it gets to them.
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This is why I have always been pro choice. Not loud and proud about it by any means though.
It is usually not a good well rounded person(s) who go in for abortions. You think San Fran, Chicago, Baltimore etc etc are bad now....imagine if abortion had always been illegal??
So by this logic you would think Dems would be against it right? Almost guaranteeing endless millions of future democrats. Instead they support killing their own.
My heart breaks at these statements. I would much rather hear an argument over whether or not a fetus is a living being or a mass of tissue than to here things like this. Help me understand how it makes sense to say that they'd rather a person not be born than vote differently? I have family members I love dearly that polar opposite of me politically. I have never thought, "man they should have never been born, that way they wouldn't cast a vote for my political opponent!

And for the record, there are multitudes of people across this country that can't have children and would love that baby being aborted. Like the unborn child, these parents are never given a chance.

As far as it "usually not being a well rounded person who go in for abortions" I would argue that many times it has nothing to do with someone being "well rounded." It has to do with mothers being scared to death. It has to do fear of the unknown future.

Assuming for a second that you are 100% correct and it's a bat $#*t crazy person that goes in for an abortion. Should a psychiatrist have the right to euthanize them if they are deemed crazy and a burden on society? What's the difference between that fetus and the crazy mother desiring an abortion?

At the end of the day, that beating heart in the womb is either a life or it is not. If it's a life, than abortion is murder.

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I read into it a little because of all the outrage. Seems like the major change is allowing late term (after 24 weeks) abortions IF the fetus isnít viable or when necessary to protect the life of the mother. That part of it, to me, is not unreasonable.

Iím not a fan of abortion, and Iíd be willing to be that even its supporters are not chomping at the bits to kill babies, as many would have us think. Itís a sad thing, and I think most everyone would agree with that. We need to focus on preventing unwanted pregnancies. Iíd much rather pay for effective birth control than someoneís unwanted, government (taxpayer) dependent child.

At the end of the day, I canít take a strong stance against abortion and have a clear conscious. I am not at the front of the line to adopt, for example, a drug addicted child of color. Neither are 99% of the people yelling about it, or foster systems wouldnít be full of unwanted children. It is a character flaw on my part and Iím not scared to admit it, because I know there are a lot of good folks out there that are trying to adopt.

In my opinion, until youíre ready to stand outside that clinic, flag down the next desperate, sad young lady that walks through that parking lot, and offer to take on the burden of her child, both emotionally and financially, you donít have a leg to stand on. I think people know that and it gets to them.


The problem is that the law itself reads, ďprotect the life AND HEALTH of the mother. Thatís the key right there. It also allows particular licensed individuals and not necessarily doctors to perform them. So they do the licensing paperwork and then make up any BS that would effect the health of the mother to justify murder
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After 24 weeks the only legal abortions will be for non viable fetuses or if the mothers life/health is endangered.

But, all of the social media things that I've seen shared seem to insinuate that a healthy pregnancy can now be terminated full term. Which simply isn't the case. Just stirring the pot and firing up the base.

https://legislation.nysenate.gov/pdf/bills/2019/A21

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After 24 weeks the only legal abortions will be for non viable fetuses or if the mothers life/health is endangered.

But, all of the social media things that I've seen shared seem to insinuate that a healthy pregnancy can now be terminated full term. Which simply isn't the case. Just stirring the pot and firing up the base.

https://legislation.nysenate.gov/pdf/bills/2019/A21

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Yep, I was under the impression that it could be a healthy pregnancy. Don't think folks would be near as enraged about non viable fetuses or if the mother's life was in danger.
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There have already been several comments about the NY state law that passed that now permits late term abortion. This has been the best analogy Iíve seen so far

So a doctor and a mass murderer walk into a building. The doctor walks in and gives abortion to a 30 week old child, at about the same time a mass murder shoots at a woman with a 30 week old child inside her, the child dies but she survives. The doctor lives to abort another day. The psychopath murderer is charged with 1st degree murder and is sentenced to life without parole.

All 3 of my kids were born at 36 weeks or less. None of them required extended hospitalization or procedures. This is murder, plain and simple.
My son was born at 36 weeks, we heard his heartbeat at just under 6 weeks
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Unbelievable - As much as people may not want to discuss it, intercourse is not all pleasure and good times. There are consequences for actions. People need to take responsibility for their actions. There are precautions for a reason.

If you participate in sex, a baby could very well be the result.

Abortion is murder, period.

The only caveat I attach to my belief is if the encounter is not consensual.
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Unbelievable - As much as people may not want to discuss it, intercourse is not all pleasure and good times. There are consequences for actions. People need to take responsibility for their actions. There are precautions for a reason.

If you participate in sex, a baby could very well be the result.

Abortion is murder, period.

The only caveat I attach to my belief is if the encounter is not consensual.
IMO if someone is raped they should have a very short time frame to take a pill that prevents pregnancy. I do not believe in the BS of coming out 5 months later saying I was raped and didn't know he got me pregnant.
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Evil walks among us, what should we do when we encounter it?
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I figure any woman that would kill her 9 month old baby would most likely be a poor mother anyway.

What I wonder about is how evil a person must be that could spend all day killing babies then go home and sleep at night
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I figure any woman that would kill her 9 month old baby would most likely be a poor mother anyway.

What's I wonder about is how evil a person must be that could spend all day killing babies then go home and sleep at night
Yeah, I dont understand it
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I figure any woman that would kill her 9 month old baby would most likely be a poor mother anyway.
Same thing I said minus the month count. Poor (crappy) mothers raise kids with no principles,values and morals and will more than likely be a drain on society. Am I wrong to think that?
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Same thing I said minus the month count. Poor (crappy) mothers raise kids with no principles,values and morals and will more than likely be a drain on society. Am I wrong to think that?
Nope, and that is why I call it a conundrum for the right. They don’t want to abort them or fund/support systems to care for them. But to expect society is somehow going to change for the better is insanity
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Same thing I said minus the month count. Poor (crappy) mothers raise kids with no principles,values and morals and will more than likely be a drain on society. Am I wrong to think that?
ever heard of adoption?
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Are you looking at adoption from the current statistics where abortion is legal? Think of the millions and millions of more of kids in line for adoption if abortion was illegal. What % would have been adopted?
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Are you looking at adoption from the current statistics where abortion is legal? Think of the millions and millions of more of kids in line for adoption if abortion was illegal. What % would have been adopted?


Iím not looking at any numbers. I know how difficult it is for people to adopt, hence the reason many adopt overseas which is sad.
What I know is a kid deserves to live and as bad as the adoption system is itís better than being dead! I donít give two craps about the mom or dad, itís about the kid having the right to live.

The answer lies, once again, with personal responsibility.


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Are you looking at adoption from the current statistics where abortion is legal? Think of the millions and millions of more of kids in line for adoption if abortion was illegal. What % would have been adopted?
Very few.

I think abortion is morally reprehensible, BUT, I also believe that anyone adamantly opposed better be in line to adopt. The thing is, the vast majority of the militantly anti-abortion folks are all talk. Totally discredits their viewpoint, and in the back of their minds, they know it.

The only people that really have a platform to rally against abortion are those that have adopted babies that were going to be aborted. Theyíre walking the walk. The rest of them are just blowing useless hot air.
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Abortion is murder.

Any “Christian” that affirms abortion need to do some serious self evaluating
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Abortion is murder.

Any ďChristianĒ that affirms abortion need to do some serious self evaluating
Exodus 21:22,23 seems to treat the fetus differently?
(Iím asking a question, not being argumentative)
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Exodus 21:22,23 seems to treat the fetus differently?
(Iím asking a question, not being argumentative)
No problem, it is a good question.

I take the word brephos as it is used to describe Jesus in the womb and Jesus in a manger. It is the word for baby and no distinction is made of the two. That ascribes the identity of life pre and post birth.

Also Mary was told that the Messiah was to be conceived in her womb, to me that means Jesus possessed His divine identity at conception, not given it later.

I combine that with Psalm 139:13-16.

Murder in Ex 20 is the taking of innocent life. I think the Bible clearly states that life begins at conception. So abortion is murder and this country is smack in the middle of so much uproar and disunity because of the lack of value that is place on life...life made in the imagoi dei (image of God)

I have a really neat teaching that I read on it I will find and post up. It helps my dumb redneck self be able to grasp the teaching in a way that makes scenes.

It just breaks my heart to see what is being allowed...life is so precious.
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Abortion is murder.

Any ďChristianĒ that affirms abortion need to do some serious self evaluating
Absolutely!!!!!!!!!!!!
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To those who say the baby would just be a ward of the state, or otherwise need us to support it. I ask, why would we kill those that never had a chance, but let the people that have proven themselves needy live? Would retro-active abortion be OK?
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To those who say the baby would just be a ward of the state, or otherwise need us to support it. I ask, why would we kill those that never had a chance, but let the people that have proven themselves needy live? Would retro-active abortion be OK?
My Dad would say not only was he for abortion, he was for it to be retro active to the age of 18. Any time along that you screw up bad enough, he would take us out, all the way out.
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In Virginia it is

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I have a book called Freakanomics. There is a chapter that talks about abortion and crime rates. It’s very interesting.
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What's next? The devils work wont stop here...
This is not a conservative vs liberal issue(debate)..
Make no mistake about it.. This is an all out battle of Good vs Evil.... Very DARK times..
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