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Old 09-22-2022, 02:43 PM   #1
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Looking to buy my wife a new vehicle. Are there any dealers out there selling for the price they show on the internet and not playing the add on games. Most interested in Toyota, Hyundai, and Honda as we have had very good luck with those vehicles in the past. Getting some runaround at this point. Thanks in advance
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Old 09-22-2022, 02:51 PM   #2
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5 Star Ford in North Richland Hills - MSRP no add on's.
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Old 09-22-2022, 02:52 PM   #3
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Loving Toyota lufkin sells at sticker and below
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I bought a 2022 Ram 1500 a couple of months ago south of San Antonio from Brown Ram in Devine. It was $7k under MSRP and they had zero dealer add ons. It was the best new vehicle purchase I’ve ever had.
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Listening.

I thought I read here that Keating toyota wasn't. Just got done looking at a 4runner on their site and they have "market adjustments" along with other other junk
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Mac Haik Chevrolet on I-10 treated me fairly. No nonsense and honored sticker. No pressure and very helpful.
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Since when was the “sticker price” a good deal?
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Since when was the “sticker price” a good deal?

Since the supply chain broke down.
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They are all playing games. The price of new vehicles shows!
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Old 09-22-2022, 07:02 PM   #11
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Looking to buy my wife a new vehicle. Are there any dealers out there selling for the price they show on the internet and not playing the add on games. Most interested in Toyota, Hyundai, and Honda as we have had very good luck with those vehicles in the past. Getting some runaround at this point. Thanks in advance

I’ve had really good luck with Auto Nation. I’m not sure if they sell those brands, but might be worth looking into.


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Since when was the “sticker price” a good deal?
I agree, but unfortunately, that’s World we are living in if you need a vehicle.
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Old 09-22-2022, 07:29 PM   #13
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5 Star Ford in North Richland Hills - MSRP no add on's.
Same in temple, ordered a maverick yesterday. Msrp plus ttl
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Old 09-22-2022, 07:40 PM   #14
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Looking to buy my wife a new vehicle. Are there any dealers out there selling for the price they show on the internet and not playing the add on games. Most interested in Toyota, Hyundai, and Honda as we have had very good luck with those vehicles in the past. Getting some runaround at this point. Thanks in advance
Not any of those brands. Most are adding premiums.
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Old 09-22-2022, 07:43 PM   #15
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If you can wait for a few months and dealerships and salesmen are getting hungry you can be the one playing games
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If you can wait for a few months and dealerships and salesmen are getting hungry you can be the one playing games
Not gonna happen in a couple months, if ever. Dealers have the upper hand and will for quite awhile. Too many people hungry for new rides and willing to pay. Dealers and manufactures will slow play this to maximize their profits.
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Not gonna happen in a couple months, if ever. Dealers have the upper hand and will for quite awhile. Too many people hungry for new rides and willing to pay. Dealers and manufactures will slow play this to maximize their profits.
Good point, but they all want to keep the plants running to line their pockets. Once the demand drops, the prices will too. It just might take a while.
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Old 09-22-2022, 09:01 PM   #18
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Disagree, feds keep pushing rates like they are and folks will cool the buying. Deals will be had again soon.

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Not gonna happen in a couple months, if ever. Dealers have the upper hand and will for quite awhile. Too many people hungry for new rides and willing to pay. Dealers and manufactures will slow play this to maximize their profits.
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Old 09-22-2022, 09:09 PM   #19
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When will GM start selling the stockpile in Midlothian?


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Old 09-22-2022, 09:11 PM   #20
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Same in temple, ordered a maverick yesterday. Msrp plus ttl
I ordered the Base Maverick in July. XL with no fluff. Got notice yesterday it was being built. This Truck should pay for itself if I can keep it rolling.
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Old 09-22-2022, 09:13 PM   #21
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Since when was the “sticker price” a good deal?
Since new vehicles are scarce?

To be honest, sticker price isn't a good deal. However, used vehicles and trade-ins values are at all time highs.

We literally just traded in a 2017 Ford Escape (low miles) for $600 more than what we paid outright for the vehicle 3 years ago. We did pay "sticker" for the new vehicle that we ordered and waited on for almost 5 months.

The deal is, car dealerships have been ripping people off for decades. Afterall, they are the middle man and have to make money somehow in the equation. Back when new vehicles were plentiful and incentives to buy were high, trade-in values were terrible. In our situation, we probably received a good $5K more on trade-in than we would have with a similar vehicle a few years ago. Obviously, that nice little trade-in bump offset the "sticker" price of the new.

It's all a game. What used to be under "sticker" price was offset by a terrible used market value. Best bet is to not buy a vehicle if you don't need one. I don't recall vehicles ever being an investment savy purchase.
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Old 09-23-2022, 06:34 AM   #22
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Classic autodealers in Galveston (Toyota, Honda. Ford). No add one and no markups.
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Not gonna happen in a couple months, if ever. Dealers have the upper hand and will for quite awhile. Too many people hungry for new rides and willing to pay. Dealers and manufactures will slow play this to maximize their profits.
agreed.

I believe it will bust eventually. But Im afraid by then the interest rates will be high as a cats ace
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Good point, but they all want to keep the plants running to line their pockets. Once the demand drops, the prices will too. It just might take a while.
Won't be as long as you think, with interest rates climbing!!!

BUT then again, Most people are stupid and will keep paying these prices.

Some people think they NEED a new vehicle, most are just wants
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Since new vehicles are scarce?

To be honest, sticker price isn't a good deal. However, used vehicles and trade-ins values are at all time highs.

We literally just traded in a 2017 Ford Escape (low miles) for $600 more than what we paid outright for the vehicle 3 years ago. We did pay "sticker" for the new vehicle that we ordered and waited on for almost 5 months.

The deal is, car dealerships have been ripping people off for decades. Afterall, they are the middle man and have to make money somehow in the equation. Back when new vehicles were plentiful and incentives to buy were high, trade-in values were terrible. In our situation, we probably received a good $5K more on trade-in than we would have with a similar vehicle a few years ago. Obviously, that nice little trade-in bump offset the "sticker" price of the new.

It's all a game. What used to be under "sticker" price was offset by a terrible used market value. Best bet is to not buy a vehicle if you don't need one. I don't recall vehicles ever being an investment savy purchase.
Nothing that depreciates is ever an investment!

Pay higher on trade in and now paying more at dealership.

its a crock of Shet
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Since new vehicles are scarce?

To be honest, sticker price isn't a good deal. However, used vehicles and trade-ins values are at all time highs.

We literally just traded in a 2017 Ford Escape (low miles) for $600 more than what we paid outright for the vehicle 3 years ago. We did pay "sticker" for the new vehicle that we ordered and waited on for almost 5 months.

The deal is, car dealerships have been ripping people off for decades. Afterall, they are the middle man and have to make money somehow in the equation. Back when new vehicles were plentiful and incentives to buy were high, trade-in values were terrible. In our situation, we probably received a good $5K more on trade-in than we would have with a similar vehicle a few years ago. Obviously, that nice little trade-in bump offset the "sticker" price of the new.

It's all a game. What used to be under "sticker" price was offset by a terrible used market value. Best bet is to not buy a vehicle if you don't need one. I don't recall vehicles ever being an investment savy purchase.
It all depends on what you have to offer on a trade in! Last November I traded in my 2016 f350 on a stupid gmc 1500 at4 ( big mistake). I knew what I would take for my truck and would not take .01 less. The ( sticker on the new truck was $62k)! I had to do the walk out routine a half of dozen times but I got what I wanted for my truck and purchased the new truck for 57k and without all of the add ons- the add ons were there but I fought them every step of the way and didn’t give in. I can’t stand going to a dealership much less spending 3 hours there haggling but if that’s what it takes I’ll do it.
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Won't be as long as you think, with interest rates climbing!!!

BUT then again, Most people are stupid and will keep paying these prices.

Some people think they NEED a new vehicle, most are just wants
When most people only care what their payment is, not sure it’s going to matter. Lenders will just tack on more years to get payments where people want them. Hell, they’ve been financing boats on 20yr terms for some time now. Insanity.
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It all depends on what you have to offer on a trade in! Last November I traded in my 2016 f350 on a stupid gmc 1500 at4 ( big mistake). I knew what I would take for my truck and would not take .01 less. The ( sticker on the new truck was $62k)! I had to do the walk out routine a half of dozen times but I got what I wanted for my truck and purchased the new truck for 57k and without all of the add ons- the add ons were there but I fought them every step of the way and didn’t give in. I can’t stand going to a dealership much less spending 3 hours there haggling but if that’s what it takes I’ll do it.
Heck yeah! Don't settle

I woulda said I got a check for this much. Take it or leave it. Then walk out
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I'm 76 years old. I trust auto dealers about as much as I trust a big morning fart.
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Old 09-23-2022, 10:48 AM   #31
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I was curious if dealers were feeling pressure to discount prices again due to rising interest rates??

Is anyone seeing this, or are they still playing out the supply chain story?
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5 Star Ford in North Richland Hills - MSRP no add on's.
I will also add South West Chrysler Dodge Jeep Ram in Cleburne. We purchased a Grand Cheorkee L for 3K under MSRP, now they did try to add 4K for extra warranty but I had that taken off.
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I did my deal on my wife's new Honda strictly though car gurus. Told them to text or email, if they called I didn't do business with them. Almost everyone had the market adjustment and wouldn't budge, but I found Howdy Honda in Austin and they worked with me. Drove from Houston and was in and out within an hour or so. Car Guru is great as you can set the radius search up to whatever you want.
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Old 09-23-2022, 11:20 AM   #34
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I am betting on auto prices dropping quickly over the next 10 months. Just keep limping my truck along until deals get better.
I think auto prices could be down 10% by this December.

Time will tell
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I went to buy a Genesis GV 70… picked out what I wanted…was mad at myself for paying sticker price and they hit me with a $7500 market adjustment….I said I’m not paying that…he said it’s non negotiable…I got up and they said…WELL BYE…..Almost like in Tomstone…
Said they would have it sold within 24 hours……

I might try luck in Toyota now…for a Highlander
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I went to buy a Genesis GV 70… picked out what I wanted…was mad at myself for paying sticker price and they hit me with a $7500 market adjustment….I said I’m not paying that…he said it’s non negotiable…I got up and they said…WELL BYE…..Almost like in Tomstone…
Said they would have it sold within 24 hours……

I might try luck in Toyota now…for a Highlander
Same thing happened to me yesterday on a Hyundai. Oh no sir! Guess I’ll keep what I got. Eff em
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I went to buy a Genesis GV 70… picked out what I wanted…was mad at myself for paying sticker price and they hit me with a $7500 market adjustment….I said I’m not paying that…he said it’s non negotiable…I got up and they said…WELL BYE…..Almost like in Tomstone…
Said they would have it sold within 24 hours……

I might try luck in Toyota now…for a Highlander
Hearing stories like this blows my mind. But I always have to remind myself that they wouldn't do it if it didn't work.
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I went to buy a Genesis GV 70… picked out what I wanted…was mad at myself for paying sticker price and they hit me with a $7500 market adjustment….I said I’m not paying that…he said it’s non negotiable…I got up and they said…WELL BYE…..Almost like in Tomstone…
Said they would have it sold within 24 hours……

I might try luck in Toyota now…for a Highlander
I read a story like this yesterday. A couple got to the finance office and the add on charges started getting piled on. They said they would walk and the finance manager said go ahead...they have people beating down the door to buy cars. Said they left and the dealership has called them 4 or 5 times trying to get them back in to buy the car.
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Don't be afraid to go out of state.

Heck I flew to New York to get a deal on a Silverado a few months ago.
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We are firm Kia buyers/owners now. On our 2nd and daughter has one as well. Bob Utter Kia in Sherman has been good to us. Holiday ford in Whitesboro was good on truck deals but no idea how it is now, Johnny Lee Godsey is who we've always dealt with local guy and knows everybody
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Don't be afraid to go out of state.

Heck I flew to New York to get a deal on a Silverado a few months ago.
Just wouldn't advise buying a preowned one from up there....I'm dealing with that now with my Silverado from NY - Just replaced wheel berrings due to sitting in snow probably and the rust is horrible underneath when you get to trying to replace parts and remove bolts and parts. Just did the shocks too on a 2017 and it was not nearly as fast as it should have been...my knuckles are still screaming at me
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Same thing happened to me yesterday on a Hyundai. Oh no sir! Guess I’ll keep what I got. Eff em
Yeah…Genesisi is Hyundai luxury brand…..

That Genesis is awesome…but I ain’t paying it…..

This Pandemic and supply chain is making car dealers RICH !

It used to be so easy to get 10-15% off sticker price….

Pushing 200k miles on her Cayenne …..gonna have to find used maybe
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You can judge a man by the way he farts and the timing of said fart. Thus they may be deemed somewhat trustworthy.
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Old 09-23-2022, 03:56 PM   #46
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Old 09-23-2022, 06:01 PM   #47
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I get a kick out of people who think their trade in being up $10,000 is normal but still think they are being ripped off if the dealer doesn't discount the new vehicle as well. I don't care if the dealership adds $2500 over sticker. If that isn't the market value for the vehicle I am looking for I don't buy from them. I am not mad at them. I just continue to shop.
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Old 09-23-2022, 06:18 PM   #48
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I'm waiting on a Tundra from Classic in Tyler. Ordered it August 1st with a $3k "add on" deal. They throw in weather tech floor mats and some other stuff but not near $3k worth. At least they tell you it's their mark up. They don't try to hide it. I should have it by November is what they are saying. We'll see. Palestine Toyota wanted $6,500 over sticker on a Tundra. Nothing included with it just a market adjustment. Crazy.
I don't see the Toyota market changing much for probably another year. They have most trucks presold with every allocation the dealers get. You might get lucky and get what you want if someone else backs out on a deal but it will most likely have a market adjustment added on. The bigger dealerships in Dallas and Houston might have the better deals since they get more vehicles allocated to them.
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If you guys would stop buying them the prices would drop
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