More CWD Info

[dustoffer]

Scientists are scratching their heads---but it may or may not happen. Time will tell.

http://www.startribune.com/biologist-ponders-what-happens-when-every-deer-has-chronic-wasting-disease/567843152/

[gtsticker]

What happens is what is happening in states that have huge populations infected. The numbers that are killed by the disease or predators because they are weak become to high to sustain a hunt able population.the age class decreases. So hunting opportunities are limited due to the population-decline. I attended a symposium on this topic. All of the experts from across all groups where there. CWD may not kill all the deer but it does not have to. It only has to kill enough to create a population that can not with stand hunting. Then the sport as we know it will change for ever. I hope we never get there in Texas.


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[Longue Carabine]

Well it just popped up in Kimble county

[RattlesnakeDan]

People...do not be fooled by the "experts" that get paid by grants to keep this as a constant push. And to some it is a way of eliminating hunting and related sports.
CWD is not a new disease, it has been around for thousands of years, they just happened to have tests that were able to find it and see it around the time their was an outbreak in Colorado and it snowballed.

[M16]

CWD is not a new disease, it has been around for thousands of years, they just happened to have tests that were able to find it and see it around the time their was an outbreak in Colorado and it snowballed.

Really? And you know this how? How did they test for it thousands of years ago?

[RattlesnakeDan]

I have a family member that was one of the first on scene. A pathologist that was asked to falsify documents to push this agenda.
Much like this Corona virus that has been around forever. Maybe a new strain but 18000 die from the flu and 18 from Corona. Politics.
Give it a name and push your agenda.
Trust me it is political manipulation.
How about a little climate change too. Really? Change what God put into place. Good luck.

[ultrastealth]

People...do not be fooled by the "experts" that get paid by grants to keep this as a constant push. And to some it is a way of eliminating hunting and related sports.
CWD is not a new disease, it has been around for thousands of years, they just happened to have tests that were able to find it and see it around the time their was an outbreak in Colorado and it snowballed.

Please quit pushing this false narrative. Unless you have an actual scientific paper that proves what you are stating, please refrain from spouting this rubbish.

[Deerguy]

Ridiculous claim. Given what we see now relative to expansion and prevalence rates in new cases, there is no reasonable indication to suspect the disease has been around for long.

[wytex]

CWD was first recognized in Colorado by Beth Williams, she was doing or working on a scrapie sheep study and noticed the deer put in the pens came down with a type of wasting disease not previously identified. Until that time it was not tested for or really noticed in the wild. The general thinking among the folks up here studying it is it has been around just not identified until then.
I live in the endemic area where it spread from up here and the spouse worked at the Research facility where it spread from.
Our deer numbers are not decreasing at an alarming rate , in fact the ranch we work for shares a fence with the facility and we take only mature bucks from it. Numbers are affected more by environmental issues such as drought than CWD.
Elk numbers continue to grow and are doing just fine.
We personally know many of the folks who have written papers on CWD, they do not believe the deer herds will become extinct because of it.
Data only suggests populations will be affected.
CWD has been around a long time and yes with more testing more cases will be shown.
You deer herds will only suffer within high fences where CWD gets a hold.

If you doubt my claims come on up and I can get you in to talk with the folks that are actually researching CWD. Right now the push is for more research , hence more info is being put out there about it, some truthful and some just speculation.

Not one case of variant CJD disease up here, we've been eating deer and elk from the endemic area since 1988, most scientists at the state lab don't even get their animals tested for CWD unless they are obviously sickly.
No need for panic but research is needed. This disease has been here and will not be going away.
They did a multi year study on cattle in the research facility, the animals were in the pens for years and not one showed any prions or symptoms after they were removed and put down.

[critter69]

People...do not be fooled by the "experts" that get paid by grants to keep this as a constant push. And to some it is a way of eliminating hunting and related sports.
CWD is not a new disease, it has been around for thousands of years, they just happened to have tests that were able to find it and see it around the time their was an outbreak in Colorado and it snowballed.

And you are the leading research scientist on CWD I take it ? We’re can we follow your testing ?

[critter69]

CWD was first recognized in Colorado by Beth Williams, she was doing or working on a scrapie sheep study and noticed the deer put in the pens came down with a type of wasting disease not previously identified. Until that time it was not tested for or really noticed in the wild. The general thinking among the folks up here studying it is it has been around just not identified until then.
I live in the endemic area where it spread from up here and the spouse worked at the Research facility where it spread from.
Our deer numbers are not decreasing at an alarming rate , in fact the ranch we work for shares a fence with the facility and we take only mature bucks from it. Numbers are affected more by environmental issues such as drought than CWD.
Elk numbers continue to grow and are doing just fine.
We personally know many of the folks who have written papers on CWD, they do not believe the deer herds will become extinct because of it.
Data only suggests populations will be affected.
CWD has been around a long time and yes with more testing more cases will be shown.
You deer herds will only suffer within high fences where CWD gets a hold.

If you doubt my claims come on up and I can get you in to talk with the folks that are actually researching CWD. Right now the push is for more research , hence more info is being put out there about it, some truthful and some just speculation.

Not one case of variant CJD disease up here, we've been eating deer and elk from the endemic area since 1988, most scientists at the state lab don't even get their animals tested for CWD unless they are obviously sickly.
No need for panic but research is needed. This disease has been here and will not be going away.
They did a multi year study on cattle in the research facility, the animals were in the pens for years and not one showed any prions or symptoms after they were removed and put down.

Is rattlesnakedan one of your contacts on this ?

[El General]

CWD was first recognized in Colorado by Beth Williams, she was doing or working on a scrapie sheep study and noticed the deer put in the pens came down with a type of wasting disease not previously identified. Until that time it was not tested for or really noticed in the wild. The general thinking among the folks up here studying it is it has been around just not identified until then.
I live in the endemic area where it spread from up here and the spouse worked at the Research facility where it spread from.
Our deer numbers are not decreasing at an alarming rate , in fact the ranch we work for shares a fence with the facility and we take only mature bucks from it. Numbers are affected more by environmental issues such as drought than CWD.
Elk numbers continue to grow and are doing just fine.
We personally know many of the folks who have written papers on CWD, they do not believe the deer herds will become extinct because of it.
Data only suggests populations will be affected.
CWD has been around a long time and yes with more testing more cases will be shown.
You deer herds will only suffer within high fences where CWD gets a hold.

If you doubt my claims come on up and I can get you in to talk with the folks that are actually researching CWD. Right now the push is for more research , hence more info is being put out there about it, some truthful and some just speculation.

Not one case of variant CJD disease up here, we've been eating deer and elk from the endemic area since 1988, most scientists at the state lab don't even get their animals tested for CWD unless they are obviously sickly.
No need for panic but research is needed. This disease has been here and will not be going away.
They did a multi year study on cattle in the research facility, the animals were in the pens for years and not one showed any prions or symptoms after they were removed and put down.

Those seem to be somewhat contradictory statements. Isn't it much more logical that scrapie jumped the species barrier from sheep to cervids?

[BuckSmasher]

That was a depressing article.

[Longue Carabine]

Ridiculous claim. Given what we see now relative to expansion and prevalence rates in new cases, there is no reasonable indication to suspect the disease has been around for long.

Exactly.

All indications suggest it was scrapie that changed when it entered the cervid population. The species transfer being the fault of humans, and probably that of Colorado State University

[DTala]

Beth Williams was one of the graduate students working at Foothills Wildlife Research Station at Ft Collins/Colorado State University. Other researchers were doing studies on scrappie infected sheep, the studies ended and the sheep were destroyed. Soon after Mule Deer does that were captured in the wild were placed in pens at the research facility. Beth Williams was ONE of the students there. The mule deer had fawns and the does were 1. released back into the wild just north of FT Collins. Now known as the endemic area(surprise). 2. shipped to zoos in the US and Canada. Shipped to private enclosures across the US. ALL of these does were exposed/infected with the new disease, but showed no signs of the illness.

Deer in the old scrappie enclosure however started to show signs of illness. Beth Williams continued to study these deer and also earned her Doctorate. She was the person who identified the disease as a TSE disease like Mad Cow and Scrappie(surprise!). She said in an early paper that she felt that they(the researchers) had set the stage for a new disease, CWD.

In the 90s one could back trace EVERY SINGLE CWD INCIDENT across the US back to Ft Collins. DNA studies of the disease also showed a direct line back to Ft Collins.

It has NOT been around for centuries and there is absolutely NO evidence that it has been.

I've spent 40 years researching CWD, esp in the early years. Lots of folks have tried to whitewash the origins of the disease in recent years. Colorado State University has recently denied that there ever were scrappie in feted sheep in the research facility and no mule deer were ever infected there...reckon they have a reason to lie now???