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Old 10-10-2021, 01:27 PM   #1
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I looked on TPW website and think I have my answer but want to confirm. Is it legal in Texas to hunt big game (whitetails) with a 223? I didnít see anything that prohibits it so I think Iím good. Anyone know for sure?
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Old 10-10-2021, 01:28 PM   #2
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Yes. Center fire cartridge
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Old 10-10-2021, 01:32 PM   #3
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Yeah, found where it references “legal firearm” a few times but couldn’t find definition of such, except for what you pointed out.

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Old 10-10-2021, 01:48 PM   #4
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Yes. Center fire cartridge
Yuuuup , any Centerfire cartridge

.17 Remington, .204 Ruger, .22 Hornet

.17 HMR or .22 Magnum for deer is no bueno, although great for jackrabbits , pigs, and turkey
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I havenít used it in a while, but I found years back the 65 gn Sierra btsp to be quite effective on white tails here in E. TX.


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I used a Rem .222 for years.
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This is what I'm using this year, except it will be suppressed. All stands are 100 yards or less. I haven't decided if using handloads or 60 grain Hornady Interlocks.



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Old 10-10-2021, 02:20 PM   #8
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Perfectly legal and perfectly capable of taking whitetail if you use a good bullet and have good shot placement. Started out with a NEF single shot 223. It was a hog and deer killing machine, albeit a slow to reload one
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Yuuuup , any Centerfire cartridge

.17 Remington, .204 Ruger, .22 Hornet

.17 HMR or .22 Magnum for deer is no bueno, although great for jackrabbits , pigs, and turkey
I always thought Centerfire and .22 and up

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Old 10-10-2021, 02:59 PM   #10
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Yup all centerfires. Grand kids been using since seven years old.
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Hand loads!! 65 grain Sierra game king.


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All of my deer killed with a rifle for the last 10 years has been with a Savage .223 that I bought from TBH Classifieds.

I sure hope they are legalÖ..
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Old 10-10-2021, 04:12 PM   #13
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I bought my daughter a savage.223 when she was seven. I would bet that thing has killed 30 deer between the two of us. She still hunts with it. We have lost a few, but I know people who have lost deer with a 300 win mag.
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I seem to remember that some of the draw hunt have caliber restrictions.
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I bought my daughter a savage.223 when she was seven. I would bet that thing has killed 30 deer between the two of us. She still hunts with it. We have lost a few, but I know people who have lost deer with a 300 win mag.
Even Jordan missed a shot or two.
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Some do
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Old 10-10-2021, 06:15 PM   #17
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I like a 25acp
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Old 10-10-2021, 06:23 PM   #18
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I’ve killed a bunch of deer and hogs with my 5.56. Heavy bullets placed properly will get the job done.
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Old 10-10-2021, 08:22 PM   #20
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I was surprised to see no .22 and larger limit just no rimfires.
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I haven't done that yet. But I did kill a buck with a .32 acp.
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Old 10-10-2021, 10:06 PM   #23
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Love to read about "what caliber" needed to accomplish the simple task efficently and effectively shooting hogs and deer. Seems like the poplar thought is one needs a cannon. I used a hornet for years till I tired of the reloading issues with the softer case. Moved into a 221 fireball using Hornady 50gr Spire Points coupled with a kahles 2-7 nothing is safe within my 100 yard limit on meat animals. 3-400 yards on coyotes. To make sure I'm clear my shots will only be head/neck or I simply will not pull the trigger. Yotes anywhere works. For its size and velocity ive found nothing to beat it.
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Old 10-11-2021, 10:40 AM   #24
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Love to read about "what caliber" needed to accomplish the simple task efficently and effectively shooting hogs and deer. Seems like the poplar thought is one needs a cannon. I used a hornet for years till I tired of the reloading issues with the softer case. Moved into a 221 fireball using Hornady 50gr Spire Points coupled with a kahles 2-7 nothing is safe within my 100 yard limit on meat animals. 3-400 yards on coyotes. To make sure I'm clear my shots will only be head/neck or I simply will not pull the trigger. Yotes anywhere works. For its size and velocity ive found nothing to beat it.
This thread is about using low caliber, sooooooooo, whatís your point?
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Old 10-11-2021, 10:44 AM   #25
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I looked on TPW website and think I have my answer but want to confirm. Is it legal in Texas to hunt big game (whitetails) with a 223? I didnít see anything that prohibits it so I think Iím good. Anyone know for sure?
Yes sir, I grew up killing whitetail with a 22-250.
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Old 10-11-2021, 11:44 AM   #26
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Center fire is the key phrase.

Most 17's and 22's (LR and Mag) are rimfire, but 22-250, 222, 223, etc. are center fire.
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I have shot 1 doe with my Remington 17 and she was DRT. Little bullet will do the trick if I do my part.
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I will go out one a limb and state that Texas should change it from centerfire to 24 cal centerfire , like 80% of other states, 243 - 6mm should be the set minimum for deer
Yes I have shot deer with a 223 & 22-250 but IMO they are very marginal
On deer

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Old 10-11-2021, 04:35 PM   #29
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I will go out one a limb and state that Texas should change it from centerfire to 24 cal centerfire , like 80% of other states, 243 - 6mm should be the set minimum for deer
Yes I have shot deer with a 223 & 22-250 but IMO they are very marginal
On deer
Truth be known, some people should be shooting a cannon, because they can't shoot for crap. But, I have no problem with a .224 caliber for a skilled person at a reasonable distance.

I've seen many a person shoot deer with a 30 caliber and deer were never recovered. One year there were several of us hunting a big 10, 140+deer, and it just happened to get shot by the guy with the 30/06. Found marginal blood, but never found deer nor did we ever see it again on camera.

I also saw a dawgkllr shoot a 130+ buck with a .243 at 312 yards and deer went maybe 30 yards and killed over. Me on the other hand, that same year, killed several with my 22-250, gosh how I miss that gun, all under 150 yards, and none made it more than 20 yards. And I've killed several over the years with a .223 AR platform, and none required a tracking job.

I will say though, I shoot throughout the year, need to do more lol, and at one time, I was putting 30-40 rounds downrange per week for each rifle I owned.

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RUNNING BEAR - ok don’t quite understand your point. For clarity 221 Remington Fireball uses a .224 diameter bullet. Hornady #2245 50 gr SP for this application and I do think that is larger than a .17 caliber also being discussed. For openers you want small, then take the 22 lr, this round has likely killed more deer in its time however, it’s rimfire not center fire and not allowed by law.

Remember those who hand load the Hornet, .222, .223 or 22-250 often times uses this particular bullet to great success. DFWPI was spot on practice is the key and he was Very Correct in his assessment there are some who should be shooting a cannon. For your practice use painted golf balls hanging on a piece of monofilament at a 100 yards hit 8 or 10 out of 10 then you will understand your rifle and its ability to deliver.

If like to know your point if you have one please explain.
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I will go out one a limb and state that Texas should change it from centerfire to 24 cal centerfire , like 80% of other states, 243 - 6mm should be the set minimum for deer
Yes I have shot deer with a 223 & 22-250 but IMO they are very marginal
On deer
ONLY MEANS ALLOWED Centerfire Rifles .243 or Larger

I didnít check youth draw hunts so ?
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ONLY MEANS ALLOWED Centerfire Rifles .243 or Larger

I didnít check youth draw hunts so ?

Thereís no need to require .243 minimum caliber.

.224 bullets are plenty capable of killing deer and at longer distances than some people think.

All of my kids have killed plenty of deer with a .223 Handi rifle single shot .223. Just use the proper bullets for the game you are hunting; I.e no varmints bullets.


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Thereís no need to require .243 minimum caliber.

.224 bullets are plenty capable of killing deer and at longer distances than some people think.

All of my kids have killed plenty of deer with a .223 Handi rifle single shot .223. Just use the proper bullets for the game you are hunting; I.e no varmints bullets.


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I partially agree, and donít make the rules so I assume itís done because some people are pure idiots
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I will go out one a limb and state that Texas should change it from centerfire to 24 cal centerfire , like 80% of other states, 243 - 6mm should be the set minimum for deer
Yes I have shot deer with a 223 & 22-250 but IMO they are very marginal
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I partially agree, and don’t make the rulesso I assume it’s done because some people are pure idiots
So, what part do you agree with?



I've never used anything less than a 30 cal. for deer, in a rifle or handgun. But wouldn't hesitate to use a .223 with the right projectile in certain situations, rifle or handgun. I'm also thinking about all the kids a mild recoiling AR-15 (aks Modern Sporting Rifle) provides for children to take a deer under adult supervision with limited yardage. Put in your requirements, and they may not get to hunt. Maybe we should be like some states and use nothing less than a Slug gun or muzzle loader ? Or nothing less than .620 or .720 cal? (12ga). Maybe using arrows that don't have the same energy as a .243 should be done away with also ? That's not a very good way to manage the native Texas deer population. Especially as prolific as it is in most of the state. I'm all for children starting to hunt as early as possible.



When we start putting more restrictions on types of arms used to hunt with in Texas, we begin to limit our reasons for owning such arms. And begin to restrict our 2nd Amendment rights. You are for our A2 rights aren't you? The more we can use those arms, the more reason we have to own them (excluding tyranny).



And yes, when I gun hunt in Texas, most of my kills have been on public land with a 12ga fully rifled slug gun. Over half have been with a bow. "Most" of the other half with a 12ga fully rifled slug gun. I've got 9 deer kills on private property with centerfire. Lots of hogs on both private and public too. Some with rifle, some with a handgun, some with bow, some with slug gun. And I wouldn't be afraid to use a little .410 90gr slug on a deer either.


In the end, it's all about understanding the weapon you have, it's limitations, and your limitations/skill set with such weapon.

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I will go out one a limb and state that Texas should change it from centerfire to 24 cal centerfire , like 80% of other states, 243 - 6mm should be the set minimum for deer
Yes I have shot deer with a 223 & 22-250 but IMO they are very marginal
On deer
Ya, cause a 6mm is devastating...SMH

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I partially agree, and donít make the rules so I assume itís done because some people are pure idiots
Well, it's kind of like blondes or redheads, as long as they are over 18, date whichever you want to because it's legal. Or better yet, date both.

Geez, sounds like a dang democrat trying to tell us it should be this way or that, because hey, they know what's best for me.

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Well, it's kind of like blondes or redheads, as long as they are over 18, date whichever you want to because it's legal. Or better yet, date both.

Geez, sounds like a dang democrat trying to tell us it should be this way or that, because hey, they know what's best for me.

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I will go out one a limb and state that Texas should change it from centerfire to 24 cal centerfire , like 80% of other states, 243 - 6mm should be the set minimum for deer
Yes I have shot deer with a 223 & 22-250 but IMO they are very marginal
On deer
why not go ahead and make it a .45 cal minimum,, it works great
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Magnumitis has caused more wounded deer than .22 centerfires. People tend to place shots where they need to go when they are not afraid of the recoil.
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I didnít check youth draw hunts so ?
I've seen folks with .223 on every draw hunt I've taken Hagen to and H shoot's a 300 blackout which is not equivalent to .243, never had an issue. Matter of fact, Mason Mountain and Colorado Bend didn't even ask what the kids were shooting.
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At one time didnt Texas Trophy Huntsrs build the ultimate Texas Whitetail cartridge? If I am not mistaken it was a 6mm necked down to .224 shooting 75 grain bullets at around 3600 feet per sec
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At one time didnt Texas Trophy Huntsrs build the ultimate Texas Whitetail cartridge? If I am not mistaken it was a 6mm necked down to .224 shooting 75 grain bullets at around 3600 feet per sec
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26 inch barrel with 8 twist favorite load 75 grain Scircco reloader 22 46.5 grains .

6mm rem or .257 Roberts necked to .224
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I've shots lots of deer with a .220 Swift. The deer don't like it at all. Head shots, heart shots, high shoulder shots... Is it my go to? No, but it is very deadly when used within its' limits on deer.
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We’ll I bought some Hornady 60 grain white tail rounds today. Gonna give it a whirl myself this season and based on my field research my son will give it a go.
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