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Old 07-28-2021, 11:59 AM   #1
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A little back story first. My cousin bought a couple of hundred acres and wants to grow pecan trees. He doesn't hunt and isn't a gun guy (currently doesn't own one). But he HATES pigs and deer. As a result he has asked me to get rid of as many of both as I can (pigs more than deer) which I'm working on. This past weekend I took 2 pig traps out there and showed him how to use them, etc. But he doesn't have a gun in case he goes out there and pigs are in the trap. So long back story to get to the point of I'm thinking about getting him a gun both as repayment for letting me hunt his place and to further help him out. The gun would be used for the following purposes:
  • Shooting pigs in the trap
  • Carrying on the tractor or Mule to shoot pigs as he is working on the farm
  • Possibly a gun for his kids to use in the future to hunt with (they are all under 3 right no so that is a little out)

I would like to stay in the $300 range but could go up if necessary. Since he doesn't care about guns he won't appreciate anything expensive, I'm guessing he will beat it up a little in the tractor, etc so it just needs to be reliable and simple to use. So what gun would you recommend? My initial thought is an open sight 30-30. He won't like a scope and I don't think a scoped rifle would help much they way he would use it anyway. It would have plenty of knock down power and it should do ok with moving shots (pigs running, etc.), he does dove hunt some so he is used to open sight shooting, swinging, etc. The lever action should be pretty easy to use and with the hammer, etc should be fairly safe around his young kids or them using it in the future.

I wanted to check here to see if I'm missing something with this thought process. If so, what do you suggest? If not, anybody got something that fits this description they would be willing to part with or a suggestion for brand, model, etc.? Thanks in advance.

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Old 07-28-2021, 12:05 PM   #2
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Easy answer to me. Winchester 94. Tough as nails, no scope to knock off and bring plenty of punch
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Old 07-28-2021, 12:09 PM   #3
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.22 rimfire of trapped pigs. They will face you so draw imaginary lines from eyes to opposite ears. Where the lines cross on the forehead is your target. Will put the pig down right now.
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Old 07-28-2021, 12:11 PM   #4
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The issue is if he doesn't know much about guns, shooting a loud caliber next to a trap may make him uncomfortable and flinch every time. A 22 or 22 mag would be great for this. Lethal and fun to shoot. BUT, trying to kill a hog in the field with the same gun creates an obvious issue. Maybe a cheap .223 for hogs and a small 22 pistol for the trap would be a good way to go.
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Old 07-28-2021, 12:11 PM   #5
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lever action 30-30 will be a good option, the only downside I can see is that they are super loud or at least mine is. I guess it is because the barrel is so short.
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Old 07-28-2021, 12:12 PM   #6
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Old 07-28-2021, 12:12 PM   #7
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Doubt $300 will get him a lever gun right now.

But 30-30 dang sure would do the trick.

Someone beat me to it, was going to suggest a 22 mag.
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Old 07-28-2021, 12:19 PM   #8
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$300 should get you a Ruger 10/22. It's a good gun, that will kill hogs in a trap just fine, and won't be to loud to spook a newbie. I don't see a newbie nailing hogs on the run anyway.
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Old 07-28-2021, 12:46 PM   #9
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If it wasn’t for the last requirement I’d throw a hat in for .17HMR but if they ever plan to do some game animal hunting then that’s out of the question. Maybe a Ruger ranch with a little holo sun red dot on top?


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Old 07-28-2021, 12:54 PM   #10
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22 mag, the kids can learn on it while they are growing and you can get a suitable hunting rifle later.
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Old 07-28-2021, 12:59 PM   #11
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Ruger American or Ruger Precision
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Old 07-28-2021, 01:05 PM   #12
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Kilt a few pigs with my 9mm carbine. May not can get one for 3 bills now but my high-point has been great so far. I'm wanting to try one of the kel-tecs now!
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Old 07-28-2021, 01:07 PM   #13
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A .22 is all you need, and shoot CCI mini mags.
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Old 07-28-2021, 01:07 PM   #14
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12 ga pump. End of discussion
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Old 07-28-2021, 01:17 PM   #15
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.22 semi automatic Savage 64 from Walmart for $100. Use the rest of your money for ammo.
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Old 07-28-2021, 01:19 PM   #16
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12 ga pump. End of discussion
12ga or 20ga Even a single shot would work. Put a shell holder on the stock.
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Old 07-28-2021, 01:45 PM   #17
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My cz550 243 in the classifieds
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Old 07-28-2021, 02:12 PM   #18
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Easy answer to me. Winchester 94. Tough as nails, no scope to knock off and bring plenty of punch
This is what I was thinking. I think it will be tough to find one but maybe not.

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The issue is if he doesn't know much about guns, shooting a loud caliber next to a trap may make him uncomfortable and flinch every time. A 22 or 22 mag would be great for this. Lethal and fun to shoot. BUT, trying to kill a hog in the field with the same gun creates an obvious issue. Maybe a cheap .223 for hogs and a small 22 pistol for the trap would be a good way to go.
This could happen. Like I said, he does dove hunt a decent amount so I would hope the noise wouldn't bother him. He would obviously like to kill the pigs but he would have fun throwing lead at them if it scared them off his property as well.

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Ruger American Ranch rifle in 300 blackout.
Do these come open sight? if so, this may be a winner.

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12 ga pump. End of discussion
I also thought about this. An 870 with a slug or buck shot would likely do the trick.

Thanks for all of the replies. Keep them coming as this is giving me more ideas.
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Old 07-28-2021, 02:48 PM   #19
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Also, his place is fairly narrow in some places and he has had concerns about a longer shooting gun leaving the property. This is another reason I was thinking a bigger slower bullet like 30-30 or 300 BO. I know that doesn't guarantee the bullet staying on property but it would definitely help compared to a faster flatter bullet.
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Old 07-28-2021, 03:25 PM   #20
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One of those lever action rifles in .357/.38 spcl would be nice. Good ammo choices and plenty on knock out power. Not sure you could find one for $300.
Maybe something on Texas Gun Trader??????????
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Old 07-29-2021, 01:21 AM   #21
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Single shot 410 with some #4’s or buck shot. Don’t have to be that great of a shot and can still reach out there and hit one on the run if he has too
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Old 07-29-2021, 09:51 AM   #22
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hard for a man to live on a "one gun does it all" mentality!!
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Old 07-29-2021, 10:22 AM   #23
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Also, his place is fairly narrow in some places and he has had concerns about a longer shooting gun leaving the property. This is another reason I was thinking a bigger slower bullet like 30-30 or 300 BO. I know that doesn't guarantee the bullet staying on property but it would definitely help compared to a faster flatter bullet.
Do you know where you can get hold of something in these caliber's for $300? If so, I want one too
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Old 07-29-2021, 10:28 AM   #24
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Single shot 410 with some #4’s or buck shot. Don’t have to be that great of a shot and can still reach out there and hit one on the run if he has too
.410? The man says he wants to kill them, not tickle em. LOL
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Old 07-29-2021, 10:35 AM   #25
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Love my 22 mag for this exact purpose.
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Old 07-29-2021, 10:56 AM   #26
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Do you know where you can get hold of something in these caliber's for $300? If so, I want one too
I don't and maybe my budget needs to be upped. I'm hoping to find a used one but I know that even that is a stretch.
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Old 07-29-2021, 11:03 AM   #27
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Hard to narrow it down to a "one size fits all" approach, but for his needs, I would try to find a used 12 gauge Remington 870 or Mossberg 500 and run slugs or buckshot.
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Old 07-29-2021, 11:21 AM   #28
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https://www.gunbroker.com/item/906521761
This might be a good truck gun for pig killing. Lots of cheap ammo available for it too.
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Old 07-29-2021, 11:50 AM   #29
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Old 07-29-2021, 03:53 PM   #30
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i'll take it! since you just volunteered it for $300 !
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Old 07-29-2021, 03:55 PM   #31
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my vote goes to a tx22 taurus 22lr pistol. for pigs in a trap .. and you can carry it all day and not even notice it's there.
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Old 07-29-2021, 04:07 PM   #32
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I got a 243 single shot that I paid about 200 used. I let all the newbies shot it.
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Old 07-29-2021, 04:08 PM   #33
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22 mag would be my vote. He could reach out a little ways to hit a pig from his tractor if needed with that caliber.

He's not wanting to retrieve them with a DRT shot and if he hits one center mass it is going to just run off and die anyway, so mission accomplished.

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Old 07-29-2021, 04:37 PM   #34
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Savage Axis or Ruger American in .223
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Old 07-29-2021, 06:53 PM   #35
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Rifle of the Year, Mauser M18 has very good reviews as a bargain ranch utility rifle in 6.5 Creedmore, and many other calibers. I have not shot one. I would like to, but I already have a 35 year old beat up Smith & Wesson glass bedded 25-06, and I can only shoot one rifle at a time.
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i'll take it! since you just volunteered it for $300 !
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i'll take it! since you just volunteered it for $300 !
“Could go up if necessary”. It’s necessary
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Old 07-29-2021, 08:37 PM   #38
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Carbine, iron sights, and in a .30 cal.
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Old 07-29-2021, 10:51 PM   #39
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Old 07-31-2021, 10:39 AM   #40
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i would suggest a lever action 44 magnum,,, more than enough slug to get the job done,,, not a long range round,, and light loaded mag or 44 specials would take care of a whole lot of business in a compact and useful round,,,
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Old 07-31-2021, 11:47 AM   #41
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Old 07-31-2021, 12:05 PM   #42
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Yep, the Savage Axis in 6.5CM fit the purpose of what I was looking to spend on something cheap that would be carried in ranch trucks and tractors while out feeding lots of cattle and doing other ranch chores. Ammo costs more than the .223 but it’s no biggie. Can easily reach out and hit yotes & hogs. Good on deer as well. It’s been in all kinds of bad weather and dust. The kind of rifle you won’t get upset over when it gets scratched up. You still try to take care of it and avoid scratches but in that kind of environment it can’t be entirely avoided.
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Old 07-31-2021, 12:08 PM   #43
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Old 08-01-2021, 12:05 AM   #44
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For $300, his choices are going to be very limited. Some of the cheap Wal-Mart bolt guns, in something like 7mm-08 or 308 would work. The NEF again in something like a 7mm-08 or 308 would get the job done.

If by some chance you can find a lever action in a 30-30, for $300 that would work great also. I think the NEF single shots you can get in 44 Mag and 30-30 also.

If I was just going to suggest a rifle for what he wants to do. I would suggest a AR 15 in 6.5 Grendel, maybe 6.8 SPC. He could leave the open sights on the gun, or put a red dot on it. I think a red dot would be the way to go, maybe with some flip up iron sights as back up. More than likely if he or someone else does not build the rifle, it's going to be up there a bit beyond $300 in either 6.5 Grendel or 6.8 SPC. The cheapest ARs you will find with be 5.56. Not the best choice or pigs, but if you hit them in the right spot, it will drop them dead on the spot.

Military rifles, make the best utility rifles, general purpose bang around guns. But if you can find someone that will sell you a working Winchester or Marlin 30-30 lever gun, it would be a good choice also. Most likely you won't get a AR for $300 either. A cheap used 5.56 AR can be bought fairly cheaply.
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