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Old 05-04-2021, 03:22 PM   #51
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$8.50 for me yesterday.
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Old 05-04-2021, 03:29 PM   #52
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Just sayin,a good chunk goes in our gasoline.total CRAP!


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Old 05-04-2021, 03:31 PM   #53
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Everything has gone up. WIll be $10 corn here before long.

Buddy at the feed mill told me all commodities are going up and he can almost guarantee from his reps/field people that is isn't done yet.

Sure makes for some expensive deer feed


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Old 05-04-2021, 03:40 PM   #54
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If farmers can store their harvest for any length of time the market always bumps up after the bulk of the supply is sold (usually around harvest time).
You priced a million lb grain bin lately? And if you only have a million lbs, you ainít farming much. Itís a gamble contracting now, and itís nice to hold till spring, but you have to have the space and that **** bank seems to want that money back in September.
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Old 05-04-2021, 04:54 PM   #55
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Most bankers want to be paid back immediately.
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Old 05-04-2021, 05:23 PM   #56
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Who on here doesnít hunt over bait?
My buddy up north is constantly giving me a hard time about Texas and corn feeding
Me for one. Now the kids on the other hand, might have a hard time!!!
I just hope we have a decent acorn crop or our deer might get hungry!!!
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Old 05-04-2021, 05:45 PM   #57
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The **** grain purveyors see the price of cattle finally going up for is and bam raise prices to get their cuts. Buyers market next year.
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Old 05-04-2021, 06:34 PM   #58
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Cottonseed prices have gone up even worse than corn.
Iím aware but Atleast cottonseed has a nutritional value. Corn is candy
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Old 05-04-2021, 09:58 PM   #59
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corn prices are up that means meat prices will be following.
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Old 05-09-2021, 06:35 PM   #60
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Paid $12 / 50lb bag near Santo at gas station.

They aren’t known for the best prices but it is convenient for me. I may have to start shopping around better. Lol
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Old 05-09-2021, 07:09 PM   #61
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My corn expenditure is one of the cheapest items in my annual hunting budget, irregardless of the price per sack. $10 per bag, 12 bags per feeder (two feeders) and I feed(bait deer) 6 months of the year. Each filling lasts about 3 months. That's $480/year. The difference between $10 and $5 corn saves me $240 in the course of a year. If that busts my budget, maybe I shouldn't be baiting deer.
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Old 05-09-2021, 07:27 PM   #62
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My buddy up north is constantly giving me a hard time about Texas and corn feeding
My two best bucks, 160s were killed over a game trail in a tree, no bait. See pic <

I will Continue to use corn for Texas hunting though

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Old 05-09-2021, 08:51 PM   #63
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My two best bucks, 160s were killed over a game trail in a tree, no bait. See pic <

I will Continue to use corn for Texas hunting though
Just think what you might have killed in that area over bait.
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Old 05-10-2021, 02:34 PM   #64
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Bucees in Katy was $7.99 this past Saturday, not bad.
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Old 05-10-2021, 03:27 PM   #65
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Just think what you might have killed in that area over bait.
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Old 05-15-2021, 02:21 PM   #66
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I just stopped in at Buc eeís in Luling. Deer corn is 7.99 a bag.
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Old 05-15-2021, 02:37 PM   #67
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Sucks as a farmer because someone else is always benefiting from your hard work.
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Old 05-15-2021, 04:09 PM   #68
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It's still moving up. Browns is $8.50

All these other places will jump very soon IMO
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Old 05-15-2021, 04:11 PM   #69
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Sucks as a farmer because someone else is always benefiting from your hard work.
Can you clarify? As a producer (corn grower) arenít you being paid a higher price for you commodity?
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Old 05-15-2021, 04:13 PM   #70
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Can you clarify? As a producer (corn grower) arenít you being paid a higher price for you commodity?
If they pay you more for the crop. It's just like when beef at the store jumped up years back but cattle at the sale barn stayed low.
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Old 05-15-2021, 04:23 PM   #71
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If they pay you more for the crop. It's just like when beef at the store jumped up years back but cattle at the sale barn stayed low.
They are being paid more for the crop. Commodity prices are through the roof, I have a guys selling grain for $10-$12, corn knocking on $8-$10, cotton in .85 range. This is a great year for farmers, if Mother Nature cooperates they will be able to pay a few bills!
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Old 05-15-2021, 04:26 PM   #72
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Just payed 9.75 at a feed store in Centerville.

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Old 05-15-2021, 04:48 PM   #73
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If they pay you more for the crop. It's just like when beef at the store jumped up years back but cattle at the sale barn stayed low.
I read an article saying the packers are the ones who make out on the price increases, the middle man was benefiting the most. Wonder if that's the deal with corn, surely not. I hope the farmers are getting what they deserve. There are many more folks hunting now, the demand for corn has increased so I would think they would be paid well to grow/maintain corn crops.

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Old 05-15-2021, 05:47 PM   #74
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Iím for this. If the price increase goes to the FARMERS let it go hi. Sky hi. Same w milk. You can be the best farmer in history and still make zero if weather is bad. Last year the folks around central Tx had their corn crop decimated by hail.
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Old 05-15-2021, 06:46 PM   #75
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$10 a bag at Palmers in Angelo yesterday
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Old 05-15-2021, 06:49 PM   #76
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$10.00 per bag at Angelo Pellets today.

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Can you clarify? As a producer (corn grower) aren’t you being paid a higher price for you commodity?
Most farmers have to sell when they harvest, they don’t have the storage to hold the grain and even if they did the bank is holding an note and is calling to collect. Prices are high now and from the outside it appears a farmer is making a killing, watch the prices drop end of July beginning of August when farmers start harvesting. They could find a buyer now and contract tomorrows corn at today’s higher prices but if they contract 2mil lbs, they better have 2mil lbs come August.
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I read an article saying the packers are the ones who make out on the price increases, the middle man was benefiting the most. Wonder if that's the deal with corn, surely not. I hope the farmers are getting what they deserve. There are many more folks hunting now, the demand for corn has increased so I would think they would be paid well to grow/maintain corn crops.

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Old 05-15-2021, 08:04 PM   #79
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The corn that deer hunters buy is less than a drop in the bucket, in the grand scheme of things.


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Dale is correct. Even American cattle feedlots can't compete with China are Russia when they need corn. Lots of smaller countries compete too.
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Old 05-15-2021, 08:22 PM   #80
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Most farmers have to sell when they harvest, they donít have the storage to hold the grain and even if they did the bank is holding an note and is calling to collect. Prices are high now and from the outside it appears a farmer is making a killing, watch the prices drop end of July beginning of August when farmers start harvesting. They could find a buyer now and contract tomorrows corn at todayís higher prices but if they contract 2mil lbs, they better have 2mil lbs come August.
Most if not all is contracted already. Ultimately the higher the commodity price the easier it is for a farmer to turn a profit. Everyone has a break even and there isnít a farmer I know with a break even anywhere near todayís prices. Farming is not easy, but it can be very profitable, lots of programs to help as well. Most I repeat most farmers that go broke own no land and manage their finances poorly. I have personal relationships with a ton of farmers that earn a dang good living. Personally I could not deal with the stress and the debt load that comes with farming!
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Most if not all is contracted already. Ultimately the higher the commodity price the easier it is for a farmer to turn a profit. Everyone has a break even and there isnít a farmer I know with a break even anywhere near todayís prices. Farming is not easy, but it can be very profitable, lots of programs to help as well. Most I repeat most farmers that go broke own no land and manage their finances poorly. I have personal relationships with a ton of farmers that earn a dang good living. Personally I could not deal with the stress and the debt load that comes with farming!
You asked a question and I tried to answer as simple as possible. But if the people you know are dry farming and contracting their corn in the spring, the years coming when theyíre going to get bit.
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Most if not all is contracted already. Ultimately the higher the commodity price the easier it is for a farmer to turn a profit. Everyone has a break even and there isnít a farmer I know with a break even anywhere near todayís prices. Farming is not easy, but it can be very profitable, lots of programs to help as well. Most I repeat most farmers that go broke own no land and manage their finances poorly. I have personal relationships with a ton of farmers that earn a dang good living. Personally I could not deal with the stress and the debt load that comes with farming!
Maybe for the large commercial farmers. Did you factor in the exploding cost increases of planting seed, diesel, fertilizer, etc into your ďmaking a killingĒ formula? As mentioned above, most farmers have to sell at harvest or shortly after, when the market is flooded. Very few store their grain to wait for better prices. Those that do have to pay for that storage.
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Maybe for the large commercial farmers. Did you factor in the exploding cost increases of planting seed, diesel, fertilizer, etc into your ďmaking a killingĒ formula? As mentioned above, most farmers have to sell at harvest or shortly after, when the market is flooded. Very few store their grain to wait for better prices. Those that do have to pay for that storage.
Did not mean to turn this into a bickering match, I am very familiar with the industry and have worked in it for my entire adult life (15 years). I am PRO agriculture, it feeds my family. You guys have great points, but not all grain is harvested at once, harvest works its way north. Seed price has not increased much over last 5 or so years and the Technology in the bag easily offsets the price increase. Diesel today is cheaper than it was in 2018 and pretty close in price to 2019. Fertilizer is high this year but it has always fluctuated greatly! Again, my only point was that a farmer benefits from the higher corn prices so I will gladly pay an extra couple of bucks a bag for deer corn!
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Again, my only point was that a farmer benefits from the higher corn prices so I will gladly pay an extra couple of bucks a bag for deer corn!

We kinda took the long way home to get here, but this is where Iím at as well. If corn breaks me, I donít need to be buyin it anyway.


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We kinda took the long way home to get here, but this is where Iím at as well. If corn breaks me, I donít need to be buyin it anyway.


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Old 05-15-2021, 10:03 PM   #87
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I just read this in our local newspaper.

High corn prices may cause problems for Iowa farmers

https://www.kcrg.com/2021/05/11/high...-iowa-farmers/

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Trust me at 7+ a bushel for corn, farmers are loving it. Soybeans are around 14.00 that is big money.
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Did not mean to turn this into a bickering match, I am very familiar with the industry and have worked in it for my entire adult life (15 years). I am PRO agriculture, it feeds my family. You guys have great points, but not all grain is harvested at once, harvest works its way north. Seed price has not increased much over last 5 or so years and the Technology in the bag easily offsets the price increase. Diesel today is cheaper than it was in 2018 and pretty close in price to 2019. Fertilizer is high this year but it has always fluctuated greatly! Again, my only point was that a farmer benefits from the higher corn prices so I will gladly pay an extra couple of bucks a bag for deer corn!
Agreed on all fronts. I appreciate the discussion.
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Old 05-15-2021, 11:45 PM   #92
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Why do they make gasoline out of it when it is much more economical to make gasoline from petroleum? Only our wonderful government can answer these welfare questions.
ethanol is an oxygenate that replaced MTBE when MTBE was outlawed

ethanol also raises the octane rating of gasoline so that is good for refiners they can get more gas out of a barrel of oil with a lower octane rating and then blend in ethanol to bump that rating up

also with ethanol in the picture it helps to set a baseline price for production which helps keep land in production and being planted......it also helps to REDUCE farm subsidies since most subsidies these days for row crops only kick in when the price of the commodity goes below the cost of production.....so with ethanol use in the picture that helps keep the price above the cost of production

and again that also helps keep more land in production instead of being let fallow.....farmers can also make improvements when they can sell above the cost of production on a consistent basis....they can tile fields, they can clear tree lines, remove fences to expand fields, and invest in technology to get more production per acre

if prices are low and farmers look to only plant 80 million acres then you have 80 million acres of production to be allocated to all users......if prices are bumped up because of stable markets like ethanol then farmers can bump production to 85 or 90 million acres and then that is more production for the market to use dollars to fight for.....ethanol may lose some of that fight, but without that stable market in bad years land will be fallowed or not improved

also to be clear there are no more subsidies for ethanol those went out in 2012 (may have been earlier) so ethanol competes for corn on a level field

ethanol does not use the totality of the corn crop either....it only uses the starch......the oils, are removed prior to fermentation so that product is still available and the end products of WDGs or DDGs are very high quality cattle feed and can work on pork and even poultry feed

cattle do not make use of the starch in the corn they simply burp it out or fart it out so it is wasted on cattle on a full corn ration.....they do make very good use of the WDGs or DDGs

so ethanol is not a huge harm to cattle feeding demand...it is cheaper to truck the DDGs and probably about the same to truck the WDGs in a per unit basis when looking at a cattle ration.....you are not having to truck the starch that is of no value to cattle and you are not having to truck as much water with DDGs that is of no use in a ration

#2 corn is 15.5% moisture while DDGs are 10% to 12% and no starch in the DDGs so less trucking of water

WDGs can be 65% to 70% moisture, but still no starch to truck and most places are drying to DDGs to make a better product that stores longer

ethanol of course creates jobs in the USA especially in more rural areas where lobs are more scarce......this as opposed to exporting raw corn that creates few if any value added jobs

the USA exported 1.36 billion gallons of ethanol in 2019-20 and 10.53 million tons of DDGs

that represents a lot of value added jobs for the USA vs exporting the raw corn....and make no mistake if the markets want the product they will take the raw product if they have to and refine it elsewhere

the USA exports products because we are a free market economy (for the most part) we are not like Argentina or Brazil or Russia where exports will be shut off and farmers will take a hit on prices......but of course that is not entirely true when the USA decided to embargo a country or there is a trade dispute with a country and that country fights back with USA farm products import fees.....but that is hitting their population right at the base economic levels while the USA is often embargoing garbage products that out citizens would be better off never buying in the first place especially from unfriendly countries

there is a great deal more to ethanol than simply "they use corn that I could otherwise buy cheap for deer feed"

ethanol is a stabilizing factor in the market that helps provide an end user that keeps production levels higher over all year in and year out.....without that the production volume and acres planted would swing much more back and forth and that is not good for farmers to make decisions with year in and year out when they are allocating acres to various crops or considering if they are even going to plant all their acres much less invest in their farm to be more efficient or to produce more per acre and unit of fertilizer and seed
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And, oil companies get credit$ for processing renewable fuels.
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So y’all are saying go ahead and go to every allsups around and buy all of the 8.99 corn they have.
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Most farmers have to sell when they harvest, they donít have the storage to hold the grain and even if they did the bank is holding an note and is calling to collect. Prices are high now and from the outside it appears a farmer is making a killing, watch the prices drop end of July beginning of August when farmers start harvesting. They could find a buyer now and contract tomorrows corn at todayís higher prices but if they contract 2mil lbs, they better have 2mil lbs come August.
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ethanol is an oxygenate that replaced MTBE when MTBE was outlawed

ethanol also raises the octane rating of gasoline so that is good for refiners they can get more gas out of a barrel of oil with a lower octane rating and then blend in ethanol to bump that rating up

also with ethanol in the picture it helps to set a baseline price for production which helps keep land in production and being planted......it also helps to REDUCE farm subsidies since most subsidies these days for row crops only kick in when the price of the commodity goes below the cost of production.....so with ethanol use in the picture that helps keep the price above the cost of production

and again that also helps keep more land in production instead of being let fallow.....farmers can also make improvements when they can sell above the cost of production on a consistent basis....they can tile fields, they can clear tree lines, remove fences to expand fields, and invest in technology to get more production per acre

if prices are low and farmers look to only plant 80 million acres then you have 80 million acres of production to be allocated to all users......if prices are bumped up because of stable markets like ethanol then farmers can bump production to 85 or 90 million acres and then that is more production for the market to use dollars to fight for.....ethanol may lose some of that fight, but without that stable market in bad years land will be fallowed or not improved

also to be clear there are no more subsidies for ethanol those went out in 2012 (may have been earlier) so ethanol competes for corn on a level field

ethanol does not use the totality of the corn crop either....it only uses the starch......the oils, are removed prior to fermentation so that product is still available and the end products of WDGs or DDGs are very high quality cattle feed and can work on pork and even poultry feed

cattle do not make use of the starch in the corn they simply burp it out or fart it out so it is wasted on cattle on a full corn ration.....they do make very good use of the WDGs or DDGs

so ethanol is not a huge harm to cattle feeding demand...it is cheaper to truck the DDGs and probably about the same to truck the WDGs in a per unit basis when looking at a cattle ration.....you are not having to truck the starch that is of no value to cattle and you are not having to truck as much water with DDGs that is of no use in a ration

#2 corn is 15.5% moisture while DDGs are 10% to 12% and no starch in the DDGs so less trucking of water

WDGs can be 65% to 70% moisture, but still no starch to truck and most places are drying to DDGs to make a better product that stores longer

ethanol of course creates jobs in the USA especially in more rural areas where lobs are more scarce......this as opposed to exporting raw corn that creates few if any value added jobs

the USA exported 1.36 billion gallons of ethanol in 2019-20 and 10.53 million tons of DDGs

that represents a lot of value added jobs for the USA vs exporting the raw corn....and make no mistake if the markets want the product they will take the raw product if they have to and refine it elsewhere

the USA exports products because we are a free market economy (for the most part) we are not like Argentina or Brazil or Russia where exports will be shut off and farmers will take a hit on prices......but of course that is not entirely true when the USA decided to embargo a country or there is a trade dispute with a country and that country fights back with USA farm products import fees.....but that is hitting their population right at the base economic levels while the USA is often embargoing garbage products that out citizens would be better off never buying in the first place especially from unfriendly countries

there is a great deal more to ethanol than simply "they use corn that I could otherwise buy cheap for deer feed"

ethanol is a stabilizing factor in the market that helps provide an end user that keeps production levels higher over all year in and year out.....without that the production volume and acres planted would swing much more back and forth and that is not good for farmers to make decisions with year in and year out when they are allocating acres to various crops or considering if they are even going to plant all their acres much less invest in their farm to be more efficient or to produce more per acre and unit of fertilizer and seed

Big, long, way....to say "It's moronic to use our food to make (poor) gasoline out of, and only the government could rationalize any semblance of an argument to the contrary".
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And, oil companies get credit$ for processing renewable fuels.
this is incorrect

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In 2011, with the U.S. ethanol industry well established and because of concerns about the federal budget deficit, the U.S. Congress let a 45-cent-per-gallon tax credit for ethanol blenders and a 54-cent-per-gallon tariff on ethanol imports expire at the end of 2011. The tax credit for blenders had been available for three decades.
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Big, long, way....to say "It's moronic to use our food to make (poor) gasoline out of, and only the government could rationalize any semblance of an argument to the contrary".
but of course it is not dumb as explained

the vast majority of #2 yellow dent corn does not go to "food" that is directly consumed by humans and the major part that would produce "food" which is beef cattle eating the corn it not harmed because of ethanol production

because the cattle do not utilize the starch in the corn to make muscle they make gasses with it that they expel

the DDGs and WDGs actually make better cattle feed

and again without the baseline production for ethanol you would see much wilder swings in production and price and that would be much worse for the farmer and the consumer

and without ethanol much more expensive oxygenates for fuel would be needed and that would increase the cost of fuel....and again the increase on octane with ethanol blending reduces refining cost and increases gallons of gas per barrel of oil

ethanol has been shown to be net energy positive as well all of the past studies that showed otherwise have been debunked
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Meat prices next.

We have 4 hog houses within 2 miles of us here in SE Iowa. The one pictured is our neighbor's and it hold 1250 hogs. JBS pork in Ottumwa just north of us slaughters 20,000 hogs a day. My neighbor said the rising feed/corn costs is already affecting the pork and beef prices.

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