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Old 03-31-2021, 08:21 PM   #1
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Default Shooting left: Moving left arm

If I get a clean release then I'm dead on out to 20 yards. But I do two things occasionally:
- Torque as I "grab" the bow at release
- Push my left arm left at release.

I'm getting better at avoiding the hand torque. Improving grip mostly and being consistent about it.

But I don't know how to stop moving my left arm. I've tried closing my stance. I've tried opening it. I get good back tension, I think. But about 1/2 my shot go left about 6 inches at 20 yards. Mostly on arm movement. I can feel it when I do it. How do I fix it?
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Old 03-31-2021, 08:37 PM   #2
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Over bowed maybe?

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Old 03-31-2021, 09:09 PM   #3
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47#. I can hold it 10+ seconds without shaking and realty even straining. I also shoot a 57# which borders on too much bow.

Good thought though.
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I know I struggle with that when tired after a long day. Struggling with maintaining back tension.

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Old 04-01-2021, 05:22 AM   #5
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Best thing for bow arm stability is blind bale in my experience. Stand three yards from the target and close your eyes at the shot. Some guys do this thousands of times a week. I find that doing it on a day that I’m shooting bad helps. You will be surprised how clean your shots are with your eyes closed. It really removes all distractions. For some reason that clean shot sticks with you in regular practice afterwards.
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Old 04-01-2021, 05:22 AM   #6
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When that happens for me, it is usually an alignment issue. Or, at least focusing on alignment is what fixes the problem. I can tell what is going on because my arm moves to the left on release and I know that it isn't me moving it. The other cause is not getting my string hand tight enough to the face. I have to think through the shot that just took place. If my arm didn't jump on release, then I focus on my anchor point.
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Old 04-01-2021, 05:45 AM   #7
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First, I can't believe someone asked a bow question, on this of all sites...

I agree with the blind baling. I had target panic a few years back, and that is one of the things I did in order to overcome it.

What release are you using? Your arm movement is in anticipation of release. Switch to a good back tension release, and you can trick your brain into not anticipating the shot. With your involuntary brain activity sidelined, your arm movement will go away.

It's good to see an archery question every once and while!
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Old 04-01-2021, 06:41 AM   #8
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Film yourself in slow motion....this will show you small things you canít feel or notice otherwise. With a trad bow you are either pulling or collapsing. I hold longer than most so after a lot of shooting I have a tendency to start collapsing and my shots start moving left. I can see it very well on a slow motion.


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Old 04-01-2021, 08:58 AM   #9
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Sounds like you're anticipating the release and moving your bow arm. Try pushing with your bow arm and focus on following through on the shot.
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First, I can't believe someone asked a bow question, on this of all sites...

I agree with the blind baling. I had target panic a few years back, and that is one of the things I did in order to overcome it.

What release are you using? Your arm movement is in anticipation of release. Switch to a good back tension release, and you can trick your brain into not anticipating the shot. With your involuntary brain activity sidelined, your arm movement will go away.

It's good to see an archery question every once and while!
Well if you would frequent the trad section you'd see all archery related threads.
Which also leads me to believe the release he's using is his fingers. Could be wrong though.

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Old 04-01-2021, 11:45 AM   #11
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I have had the same issue and recently figured out that 90% of my left misses were due to over coiling my shoulders. This causes my front shoulder to cave in, thus changing the direction of force in my bow arm at release to a more leftward direction.

To illustrate, put your left hand palm on a wall in a "shooting" position. While keeping everything else in the same position, move your shoulder in and out parallel to the wall. As you move your shoulder, the direction of force changes which will alter the path of the arrow at release.
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Old 04-01-2021, 11:57 AM   #12
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Well if you would frequent the trad section you'd see all archery related threads.
Which also leads me to believe the release he's using is his fingers. Could be wrong though.

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I totally missed the forum, LOL. My bad.
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Old 04-01-2021, 12:02 PM   #13
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Try adjusting your grip. Instead of wrapping all four fingers around the grip, only place your thumb and index finger around the grip. Tuck the remaining 3 fingers on the outside of the grip as if trying to make a partial fist. This will cause your arm to stick out a little further than usual away from the sting and it will stop you from being able to torque the bow.

Hope this helps, God Bless.
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Old 04-01-2021, 12:32 PM   #14
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Best thing for bow arm stability is blind bale in my experience. Stand three yards from the target and close your eyes at the shot. Some guys do this thousands of times a week. I find that doing it on a day that Iím shooting bad helps. You will be surprised how clean your shots are with your eyes closed. It really removes all distractions. For some reason that clean shot sticks with you in regular practice afterwards.
May be similar to "looking at your golf shot" instead of finishing the follow through. I'll give it a try.
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Old 04-01-2021, 12:33 PM   #15
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First, I can't believe someone asked a bow question, on this of all sites...

I agree with the blind baling. I had target panic a few years back, and that is one of the things I did in order to overcome it.

What release are you using? Your arm movement is in anticipation of release. Switch to a good back tension release, and you can trick your brain into not anticipating the shot. With your involuntary brain activity sidelined, your arm movement will go away.

It's good to see an archery question every once and while!
Recurve bow shooting fingers with a glove.
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Old 04-01-2021, 12:34 PM   #16
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I have had the same issue and recently figured out that 90% of my left misses were due to over coiling my shoulders. This causes my front shoulder to cave in, thus changing the direction of force in my bow arm at release to a more leftward direction.

To illustrate, put your left hand palm on a wall in a "shooting" position. While keeping everything else in the same position, move your shoulder in and out parallel to the wall. As you move your shoulder, the direction of force changes which will alter the path of the arrow at release.
Makes sense!
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I totally missed the forum, LOL. My bad.
Nonsense. Come enjoy the madness with us anytime. It's all fun.

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Old 04-02-2021, 06:18 AM   #18
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I noticed this evening something I was doing. Got all lined up in a slightly closed stance, was drawing the bow, and noticed that I rotate my upper body (at the waist) a tad toward the target. Much the same as if I was standing with an open stance. No idea I was doing that.

Focused on NOT doing that and it made quite a difference. Actaully shot a few loooking like I knew what i was doing.

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Old 04-02-2021, 06:21 AM   #19
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Try adjusting your grip. Instead of wrapping all four fingers around the grip, only place your thumb and index finger around the grip. Tuck the remaining 3 fingers on the outside of the grip as if trying to make a partial fist. This will cause your arm to stick out a little further than usual away from the sting and it will stop you from being able to torque the bow.

Hope this helps, God Bless.
I have 3Rivers bow sling that essentially allows you not to grip the bow at all. Seems my grip is pretty good, and yes I do grip about like you're talking about:
Only the thumb and index finger around the grip.

Thanks for insights!
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Old 04-05-2021, 08:07 AM   #20
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I posted about some common issues I have a while back. All of my mistakes tend to manifest as a left miss. But it sounds like a shoulder alignment problem to me. Your bow shoulder blade needs to be sucked down and back next to your spine, and both shoulders need to make a line that's pointing at the target. Otherwise you may wind up using your triceps to keep the bow on target and when you release it's pulling left a bit.
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Old 04-05-2021, 01:37 PM   #21
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I can't do that with my bow shoulder. If I let it collapse like that I'll shoot low every time.

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Old 04-05-2021, 08:39 PM   #22
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I posted about some common issues I have a while back. All of my mistakes tend to manifest as a left miss. But it sounds like a shoulder alignment problem to me. Your bow shoulder blade needs to be sucked down and back next to your spine, and both shoulders need to make a line that's pointing at the target. Otherwise you may wind up using your triceps to keep the bow on target and when you release it's pulling left a bit.
Is that about the same as saying I need back tension?
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For me back tension comes from squeezing the shoulder blades but pushing my shoulder out, bow hand out towards the target. That said I shoot a high anchor so dropping that shoulder changes how it affects my anchor point.

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Is that about the same as saying I need back tension?
I tend to think of back tension as being on my string hand side. That's where the movement happens that pulls the string through the shot. The front side shoulder needs to be kept down as well though, and it does take tension in the back, but on your left side if you're a right handed archer.

Tom Clum has some freely available videos on this. So does Jake Kaminski.
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