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Old 12-07-2018, 09:23 AM   #1
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Default Ezekiel Elliott blasts NFL after fine

Unsportsmanlike? If the NFL is looking at axing more of their ratings, their doing a good job. So I guess Kneeling during the National Anthem IS Sportsmanlike? So Dang Sad.

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Old 12-07-2018, 09:36 AM   #2
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If anything, he's drawing attention towards the Salvation Army Lol

So scorers can dance like idiots and perform these elaborate, choreographed celebrations but "donating" to the Salvation Army pot is "unsportsmanlike?" That's where they draw the line?

EDIT: I don't remember who it was but there was another player that did the same thing after scoring on the same day. Dropped some cash (equaling his jersey number) in the salvation army kettle.

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So the fine was for an actual donation, not when he put Dak in the kettle? Ridiculous. Players have been fined before for jumping in the kettle, so that wouldn’t have surprised me. But for donating money? Really?
NFL will get a lot of hate for this
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Didn't a Saints player also pull money out of his knee area after scoring against the Cowboys and drop it into the kettle?
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Old 12-07-2018, 09:55 AM   #6
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I don't understand the NFL's position on celebrations etc.

People watch the games to be entertained. Not because they have some illusion that every one of the guys on the field are professional and well mannered.
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I would like to see the NFL donate the $13,000 to the Salvation Army
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I would like to see the NFL donate the $13,000 to the Salvation Army
They won't, because the NFL is locked into the United Way, which is a more liberal group of charities.
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"Money collected from fines goes to programs for former players, the paper reported." Didn't those guys already make enough when they were in the league? Maybe i'm wrong, but this seems like a fishy answer.
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"Money collected from fines goes to programs for former players, the paper reported." Didn't those guys already make enough when they were in the league? Maybe i'm wrong, but this seems like a fishy answer.
They have to pay those pensions.
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"We make a lot, but we spend a lot."
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"Money collected from fines goes to programs for former players, the paper reported." Didn't those guys already make enough when they were in the league? Maybe i'm wrong, but this seems like a fishy answer.
I think itís because there is a some what high percentage that end up going broke...

The NFL just keeps on digging a bigger hole for themselves all the time
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Seems pretty stupid - Zeke's character has been questioned in the past but come on man. The guy is actually using his presence and name for a good cause. The fans liked it, the salvation army gets a little more awareness. This could all be intentionally created drama but all I'm hearing is the NFL doesn't want the salvation army to be able to provide items to needy kids?

Good for Zeke stating he'll pay their silly little fine and donate even more through matched funds of those who donate to the Salvation Army. I guess I'll go donate $21

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"Money collected from fines goes to programs for former players, the paper reported." Didn't those guys already make enough when they were in the league? Maybe i'm wrong, but this seems like a fishy answer.



There are many former players still alive from when the NFL wasn't as lucrative as it is now.....and most made league minimum. I have no problems whatsoever with it.


That being said...the fine for using a prop in this instance is petty as hell
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There are many former players still alive from when the NFL wasn't as lucrative as it is now.....and most made league minimum. I have no problems whatsoever with it.


That being said...the fine for using a prop in this instance is petty as hell
My thought exactly. Have a friend that played for the Cowboys during the ice bowl time period. He can barley walk and made little to nothing. His son has fought the NFL for years and they are finally helping the older guys.

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"We make a lot, but we spend a lot."
I remember that one - too funny.
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There are many former players still alive from when the NFL wasn't as lucrative as it is now.....and most made league minimum. I have no problems whatsoever with it.


That being said...the fine for using a prop in this instance is petty as hell
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My thought exactly. Have a friend that played for the Cowboys during the ice bowl time period. He can barley walk and made little to nothing. His son has fought the NFL for years and they are finally helping the older guys.

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Okay that makes sense and I am for that! Also glad your friend is finally getting the help he deserves.
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wow, i'm not a cowboys fan. but, that is GDed ridiculous to fine him.
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I watch VERY little NFL and your right many former players made little money. They chose to to do it as would nearly any man in America givin the chance. I dont have a problem with money from fines going to those former players,however, it seems fining a player for making a donation to a charity seems a bit on the ridiculous side of the spectrum.
Adding to a long list o reasons why I am not going to watch.
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Only reason he was fined is because it was a Salvation Army Kettle and not the United Way.
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Only reason he was fined is because it was a Salvation Army Kettle and not the United Way.



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Old 12-07-2018, 12:51 PM   #23
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I would like to see the NFL donate the $13,000 to the Salvation Army
this! ..... heck yeah !!!! Hating these guys more and more, love football but they really put a sour taste into it.
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Old 12-07-2018, 03:13 PM   #25
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Ha! That was Patrick Ewing back in the day...awesome quote! Never forget it (and nether will Jim Rome)!

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NFL can suck it they have been doing dumb stuff for too long . The kettle deal so what its funny the spot light goes n the kettle they make major donations to it .
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I’m curious as to what league minimum was. I’m sure there are a lot of people that work minimum wage jobs or jobs that don’t pay enough for the stress on their bodies, but at the end of the day it is their choice.
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Adding to the ridiculous aspect of the episode is the fact that the NFL apparently allowed the presence of the Salvation Army kettle on the field -- therefore showing an endorsement of the organization -- yet draws this ludicrous line over Zeke showing his support of that endorsement. Truly -- and sadly -- ironic.
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Adding to the ridiculous aspect of the episode is the fact that the NFL apparently allowed the presence of the Salvation Army kettle on the field -- therefore showing an endorsement of the organization -- yet draws this ludicrous line over Zeke showing his support of that endorsement. Truly -- and sadly -- ironic.
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Iím curious as to what league minimum was. Iím sure there are a lot of people that work minimum wage jobs or jobs that donít pay enough for the stress on their bodies, but at the end of the day it is their choice.
Probably close to 500k
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My thought exactly. Have a friend that played for the Cowboys during the ice bowl time period. He can barley walk and made little to nothing. His son has fought the NFL for years and they are finally helping the older guys.

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I don't have a problem with the fine money going to the NFL pensions but those guys made more money than what some think, I believe I read the low end of the roster made about 5-6 times more than an average salaried man made. And the NFL is so stupid on what they allow and disallow as far as celebrations go.
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Probably close to 500k
Average NFL Salary in 1970 was less than $30k
In 1980 it was less than $80k
In 1990 it was about $400k
In 2000 it was about $1.1MM
Today it's about $2MM

The NFL Pension is based on years in the league. The average annual pension payment this year was about $43,000

League minimum is $550k this year

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Any first year marketing student could see this as an opportunity for some positive press and a way to raise money for a charity organization. The NFL sees something to punish and give even more people a reason to get upset. Sometimes I think a pet monkey is making their decisions.

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Average NFL Salary in 1970 was less than $30k
In 1980 it was less than $80k
In 1990 it was about $400k
In 2000 it was about $1.1MM
Today it's about $2MM

The NFL Pension is based on years in the league. The average annual pension payment this year was about $43,000
Ok, the average income in America in 1970 was 9800.00
No matter what year it is the average NFL player makes much more than the average American.
The NFL base salary is just under 500k today.......edit that was actually last year
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Probably close to 500k

That is what it is now...Like $400-600K depending on experience for rookies through 3 years...up to $1 mil for 10 year vets.



Back in the day of Landry's Cowboys the average salary was $23K in the early 70s. Bob Lily used to talk about having to have a second job in the offseason to make ends meet. I am pretty sure Staubach sold real estate which launched his lucrative real estate company.. I think the mid 80s is where stuff started to take off for them and TV money

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Dan Reeves used to work for Gifford Hill in the off season. I remember Don Meredith saying he made around $100K his best season. And those guys were the stars. Rank and file players made squat.
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****.... Curt covered it. I had zero replies after flywise comment I quoted even after hitting refresh. Would have saved me some typing.
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I remember Terry Bradshaw telling Chuck Noll he wanted $100,000 a year after winning his 4th Super Bowl. Noll told Bradshaw there wasn't anybody worth $100,000 a year.
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It is all relevant, they made good money for 12 or 14 games, they had several months to work other jobs because they did not have all the mini camps, ota's etc, I read 25K was the average pay in 69, that is a couple grand a game, they were living the high life back then. Some of them capitalized on it and some did not, same as today, how the hell does a player make several Million before the age of 30 and be broke by the age of 40 ?
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I remember Terry Bradshaw telling Chuck Noll he wanted $100,000 a year after winning his 4th Super Bowl. Noll told Bradshaw there wasn't anybody worth $100,000 a year.
Well, that's a great story, but not true. Steelers won their fourth SB in 1980....Bradshaw made $471,000 in 1981. Franco Harris made $350k and Lynn Swann made $340k. Jack Ham made $300k, Joe Greene made $230k and Jack Lambert made $200k. Even back in 1977, after only 2 Superbowls, they all made more than $100k
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It is all relevant, they made good money for 12 or 14 games, they had several months to work other jobs because they did not have all the mini camps, ota's etc, I read 25K was the average pay in 69, that is a couple grand a game, they were living the high life back then. Some of them capitalized on it and some did not, same as today, how the hell does a player make several Million before the age of 30 and be broke by the age of 40 ?
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Well, that's a great story, but not true. Steelers won their fourth SB in 1980....Bradshaw made $471,000 in 1981. Franco Harris made $350k and Lynn Swann made $340k. Jack Ham made $300k, Joe Greene made $230k and Jack Lambert made $200k. Even back in 1977, after only 2 Superbowls, they all made more than $100k

I think that's a little high....sure the big names made some money (just like now) but the lower end guys are part of the same programs and funding.



"An annual survey conducted by the National Football League shows that the average salary of an N.F.L. player last season(1982) was $90,102, with quarterbacks averaging the highest, $160,037. In 1980, the average player's salary was $78,657, 14.5 percent under the 1981 figure.Jan 29, 1982"


Salaries gotta be on the low end for some to bring those high superstar salaries you quoted down to ~80-85K average. Lotta folks in the 60s and early 70s still alive that made much less. Still its good money for back then ... but after taxes you better have invested wisely for a a few years in the league to make that work.

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Well, that's a great story, but not true. Steelers won their fourth SB in 1980....Bradshaw made $471,000 in 1981. Franco Harris made $350k and Lynn Swann made $340k. Jack Ham made $300k, Joe Greene made $230k and Jack Lambert made $200k. Even back in 1977, after only 2 Superbowls, they all made more than $100k
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I think that's a little high....sure the big names made some money (just like now) but the lower end guys are part of the same programs and funding.
I'm sorry. To clarify, by "all", I meant all of the guys I'd mentioned in my post. Not all the Steelers.
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Adding to the ridiculous aspect of the episode is the fact that the NFL apparently allowed the presence of the Salvation Army kettle on the field -- therefore showing an endorsement of the organization -- yet draws this ludicrous line over Zeke showing his support of that endorsement. Truly -- and sadly -- ironic.
This^^^^

They should remove kettle.....you know, to stop the temptation!
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B.S. like this and other things are exactly why I very rarely if ever watch the NFL ..
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You ought to check into the taxes they have to pay when they play in income tax states; it's ridiculous.
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You ought to check into the taxes they have to pay when they play in income tax states; it's ridiculous.


You are very correct. This is a killer.


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I'm not sure if he was retired yet, but back in the late 70's Jethro Pugh was an assembly line supervisor at Texas Instruments. On night shift too.
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