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Old 04-27-2021, 01:45 PM   #1
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Default Got the deer lease gut punch today....

My friend and lease manager called today to give me the bad news. I'm not being renewed on the lease his year. I got on the lease when I was retired so he and I could go during the week and drive together. Well, life changes and I got divorced and then remarried and went back to work full time and he got sick with liver cancer and he has appointments late in the week. Heck, he's even cancelled on me several times because he forgot an appointment or something. I've worked my arse off on that place too.

Like several others, I'm looking for a lease in the Kerrville to Ozona to Del Rio area. Year round access if possible and I have my own feeder, etc. If my wife can shoot off my tags that would be great. $1500 is about all I can afford.
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Old 04-27-2021, 01:53 PM   #2
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What a piece of work. With friends like that, who needs enemies.
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Old 04-27-2021, 01:56 PM   #3
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Maybe I misread this but he doesn't sound like much of a friend... or a lease manager, if he's not renewing you because he can't bum a ride off of you half the time. I mean, if you are a bad member sure, but if you are in good standing, work you tail off like you said, pay your money on time, and a "friend" that seems kinda dickish and low rent.


Good luck getting on with somebody that appreciates hard work.
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Old 04-27-2021, 01:58 PM   #4
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No kidding Smart.

$1500 is going to be hard, but can be done. I got on a lease this year in Leakey for $1200 a spot.
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Old 04-27-2021, 01:59 PM   #5
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So he is kicking you off because you can't ride together? There has got to be more to the story.....
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Old 04-27-2021, 02:02 PM   #6
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OP I hope like others that I misunderstood what you’re saying happened. Did your friend kick you off the place?
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Old 04-27-2021, 02:06 PM   #7
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Hate to hear about you loosing your lease out our way. I’ll keep my ears open and let you know if anything pops up.
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Old 04-27-2021, 02:09 PM   #8
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Sorry to hear the news. Reiterate what has been said above. Not too good of a friend based on our interpretation
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Old 04-27-2021, 02:23 PM   #9
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So he is kicking you off because you can't ride together? There has got to be more to the story.....
Maybe try offering him gas money OP..... Kidding but ya im a little confused as well
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Old 04-27-2021, 02:28 PM   #10
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So he is kicking you off because you can't ride together? There has got to be more to the story.....
That was the reason he asked me to be on the lease. So we could ride together and split the cost. I was working part time and he was self employed and could take off at any time.

Sine getting on the lease 8 years ago I have gotten divorced and remarried. Gone back to work full time and I just can't go during the middle of the week all the time. He came down with liver cancer and gets treatments every other Thursday and I usually sicker than a dog on the weekends.

I texted him about what a kick in the balls this was and how my life changed, he got sick..and his response was "I need someone who can go out with me when I can". So, it's all about him.

I pay on time, I feed when no one else will go out and make sure everything is running. Keep the camp house cleaned, etc. Heck, one of the guy is so far behind in his feeding requirements that he'll never catch up.
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Old 04-27-2021, 02:31 PM   #11
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OP I hope like others that I misunderstood what you’re saying happened. Did your friend kick you off the place?
Yup, he kicked me off. Said it's not working out since I can't drive out there with him and split the costs. Since our schedules don't' match up when he wants to go out during the middle of the week, he has to find someone to go with him. He's sick and shouldn't go alone.

His last text was "I need someone who can go out with me when I can." That says it all.

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Old 04-27-2021, 02:33 PM   #12
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What a d***head.
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Old 04-27-2021, 02:35 PM   #13
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Old 04-27-2021, 02:35 PM   #14
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Not much of a friend.
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Old 04-27-2021, 02:38 PM   #15
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Yup, he kicked me off. Said it's not working out since I can't drive out there with him and split the costs. Since our schedules don't' match up when he wants to go out during the middle of the week, he has to find someone to go with him. He's sick and shouldn't go alone.

His last text was "I need someone who can go out with me when I can." That says it all.
Pretty ridiculous. Agree with the others, doesn't sound like a friend, sounds like a *******. I hope he has an account on here and can read some of these responses.
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Old 04-27-2021, 02:39 PM   #16
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Maybe try offering him gas money OP..... Kidding but ya im a little confused as well
Haha! We used to take his truck and I'd split the gas/diesel with him. I'd buy the groceries for the weekend and he'd either pay me cash back or by me dinner on the way home.
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Old 04-27-2021, 02:40 PM   #17
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Pretty ridiculous. Agree with the others, doesn't sound like a friend, sounds like a *******. I hope he has an account on here and can read some of these responses.
He doesn't have an account on here. He doesn't bow hunt and he's not much of a rifle shot either.
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Old 04-27-2021, 02:41 PM   #18
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Not much of a friend at all. What a ****** bag!!! Good luck in your search.
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Old 04-27-2021, 02:45 PM   #19
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Sounds like he’s the one that needs to be kicked off.
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Old 04-27-2021, 02:53 PM   #20
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I cannot add more to this than what has already been said, but it sounds like you will be in a better spot on the new lease, once you find it.

Good luck in your search.
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Old 04-27-2021, 02:53 PM   #21
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If you have his phone number and stuff, sign him up for Buckmasters!
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Old 04-27-2021, 02:54 PM   #22
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Old 04-27-2021, 02:57 PM   #23
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His last text:

"It's my lease that I sub out. No one disagrees. I'm being fair about it. You have till the end of June. You can use the cabin, hunt wile out there. Being as fair as I can. No matter how I put it it's not fair. It is just the way it should be. I hunted out there for 27 years, 20 with Ray. Always feeding together, hunting during the week together. You replaced Ray, your life changed and you couldn't fullfill the deal. I overlooked it ever since. Decide this year it had to change. I am sorry."

Son of a *****
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Old 04-27-2021, 02:58 PM   #24
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Send him an invoice for fuel...
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Old 04-27-2021, 03:01 PM   #25
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With friends like that who needs enemies....
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Old 04-27-2021, 03:07 PM   #26
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I wouldn't wanna ever get in the same vehicle with that classless jack wagon again even if he changed his mind...I value my friendships more than deer.
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Old 04-27-2021, 03:08 PM   #27
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Send him an invoice for fuel...
I've already told him to reimburse me for the 60 bags of corn I took out in March. I'll get reimbursed for the $450 minus the electric for the 2020. I'll get $270 back which will just about pay for my trip out to pick up my stuff.
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Old 04-27-2021, 03:08 PM   #28
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"It's my lease that I sub out. No one disagrees. I'm being fair about it. You have till the end of June. You can use the cabin, hunt wile out there. Being as fair as I can. No matter how I put it it's not fair. It is just the way it should be. I hunted out there for 27 years, 20 with Ray. Always feeding together, hunting during the week together. You replaced Ray, your life changed and you couldn't fullfill the deal. I overlooked it ever since. Decide this year it had to change. I am sorry."

Son of a *****



Translated....I'm a selfish cheapass DB...and I'm going to blame all this **** on you so that I look better....Plus I'm going to make up some bull**** that everybody agrees with me so it seems you are the problem. This is only fair to me and I'm all that matters.... I'm a ****head for a friend.
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Old 04-27-2021, 03:12 PM   #29
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Yeah, he needs to rope one of them illegals pouring across the border, and they can help him out, not a paying member.....
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Old 04-27-2021, 03:14 PM   #30
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Man that sucks and all, and I'm just sayin, but there is always waaay more to the story.

(Keep in mind this guy was just a "lease member") We had to remove a guy that was the "love of the county" and holds a very high position in the area. He was a good guy, until you did something he didn't like or agree with, then he would pout a like a kid. He would try and put guys against each other, without them knowing. We finally caught onto him and called him out in a lease meeting and it didn't go well. Point of the story, he did a lot on the lease, not discounting that, but he also thought he did no wrong and didn't see the problem with his ways, but 5 other guys did. It was a pure conflict of personality's and the place is better without him.

That being said, good luck finding a place for this coming season.
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Old 04-27-2021, 03:19 PM   #31
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Yup, he kicked me off. Said it's not working out since I can't drive out there with him and split the costs. Since our schedules don't' match up when he wants to go out during the middle of the week, he has to find someone to go with him. He's sick and shouldn't go alone.

His last text was "I need someone who can go out with me when I can." That says it all.


Iím not gonna bash the guy like others are. It sucks for you. Hopefully you can find another place and he can find someone to hunt with him.
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Old 04-27-2021, 03:19 PM   #32
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wow. just wow.

Hoping you find something else...this feels like one of those situations you look back on in a few years and are thankful that it happened. Sucks now but hopefully will lead to something better.
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Old 04-27-2021, 03:22 PM   #33
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Can't argue with that. You'll find something better Sabre.
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Old 04-27-2021, 03:24 PM   #34
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Translated....I'm a selfish cheapass DB...and I'm going to blame all this **** on you so that I look better....Plus I'm going to make up some bull**** that everybody agrees with me so it seems you are the problem. This is only fair to me and I'm all that matters.... I'm a ****head for a friend.
Actually agree with you on this
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Old 04-27-2021, 03:38 PM   #35
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Man that sucks and all, and I'm just sayin, but there is always waaay more to the story.

(Keep in mind this guy was just a "lease member") We had to remove a guy that was the "love of the county" and holds a very high position in the area. He was a good guy, until you did something he didn't like or agree with, then he would pout a like a kid. He would try and put guys against each other, without them knowing. We finally caught onto him and called him out in a lease meeting and it didn't go well. Point of the story, he did a lot on the lease, not discounting that, but he also thought he did no wrong and didn't see the problem with his ways, but 5 other guys did. It was a pure conflict of personality's and the place is better without him.

That being said, good luck finding a place for this coming season.

Nope. If you'll read his latest text to me you'll see the entire picture. My being on the lease was convenience for him. When it was no longer convenient, out the door with me.
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Old 04-27-2021, 03:39 PM   #36
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wow. just wow.

Hoping you find something else...this feels like one of those situations you look back on in a few years and are thankful that it happened. Sucks now but hopefully will lead to something better.
I'm really hoping so. The best lease I ever had was mule deer in Van Horn for 30 years and then I got priced out of it. Then this lease came along.
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Old 04-27-2021, 03:49 PM   #37
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Just playing Devil's Advocate here...

You agreed to get on the lease and go with him during the week and split expenses...
Shortly thereafter you can no longer do that...
Then he gets sick and has chemo on Thursdays that prevents him from hunting weekends
He can't be out there alone as sick as he is...
What exactly should he do? Keep you and never hunt again or boot you for not keeping your end of the deal?

Not saying he's right or wrong but I'm glad I'm not in his shoes....
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Old 04-27-2021, 03:51 PM   #38
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well that sucks... clearly don't need friends like that. Time to move on, good luck to you!
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Old 04-27-2021, 03:52 PM   #39
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Did you have a full membership or were the two of you splitting a spot?
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Old 04-27-2021, 03:52 PM   #40
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Yup, he kicked me off. Said it's not working out since I can't drive out there with him and split the costs. Since our schedules don't' match up when he wants to go out during the middle of the week, he has to find someone to go with him. He's sick and shouldn't go alone.

His last text was "I need someone who can go out with me when I can." That says it all.
I think I would have referred to him as an ex-friend.
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Old 04-27-2021, 03:53 PM   #41
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Sounds like you are better off without that situation.
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Old 04-27-2021, 04:02 PM   #42
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Did you have a full membership or were the two of you splitting a spot?
I had a full membership. Funny thing is he says he's not going to fill the spot. He's going to pay it so he can let guests come with him. Someone who's more convenient.
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Old 04-27-2021, 04:03 PM   #43
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I could probably go when he wants to go and I just lost my lease out in Terrell county, however there is no way in hell that I would want a "friend" like that.
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Old 04-27-2021, 04:49 PM   #44
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I had a full membership. Funny thing is he says he's not going to fill the spot. He's going to pay it so he can let guests come with him. Someone who's more convenient.
It sure sounds like you were more invested in the friendship than he was.

Deer leases have caused hard feelings between friends lots of times.

Like I always say...... If you`re not in.............You`re out !!
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Old 04-27-2021, 04:49 PM   #45
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That is a bad deal all the way around.
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Old 04-27-2021, 05:11 PM   #46
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Reading what the conditions were for you being a lease member, it was a trainwreck waiting to happen, and it did! You were collateral damage.

no offense, but you need to read what the definition of a friend is....that Cat doesn't qualify
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Old 04-27-2021, 05:16 PM   #47
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Man that sucks and all, and I'm just sayin, but there is always waaay more to the story.



(Keep in mind this guy was just a "lease member") We had to remove a guy that was the "love of the county" and holds a very high position in the area. He was a good guy, until you did something he didn't like or agree with, then he would pout a like a kid. He would try and put guys against each other, without them knowing. We finally caught onto him and called him out in a lease meeting and it didn't go well. Point of the story, he did a lot on the lease, not discounting that, but he also thought he did no wrong and didn't see the problem with his ways, but 5 other guys did. It was a pure conflict of personality's and the place is better without him.



That being said, good luck finding a place for this coming season.


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Old 04-27-2021, 05:29 PM   #48
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Sounds like heís the one that needs to be kicked off.
Call the land owner, tell him the truth about his "manager" and lease it directly.... Sounds bad but the guy obviously isn't doing what's best for the ranch.... If it were people leasing my land I'd lease it to the OP in a heartbeat and get rid of a guy who probably won't be leasing from me much longer anyway.

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Old 04-27-2021, 06:08 PM   #49
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Karma is a B _ _ _ _ !

He will get what is coming to him, just don't answer the phone when he calls needing help.
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Old 04-27-2021, 06:25 PM   #50
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