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Old 04-30-2021, 09:57 AM   #1
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If this bill passes and goes into effect is there still a benefit to having your LTC? Are there areas that you would be able to carry with a license that you would not without a license. The one thing I can think of is having the reciprocity to carry across state lines. Thoughts?
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Old 04-30-2021, 10:05 AM   #2
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Maybe still speed up purchases?
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Old 04-30-2021, 10:08 AM   #3
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Old 04-30-2021, 10:09 AM   #4
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Old 04-30-2021, 10:10 AM   #5
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The version passed by the House does not give any particular benefit to license holders over non license holders that I can remember. The Senate may change that but we will have to wait and see.

The main benefits to having and maintaining a license as I understand the proposed law will be reciprocal carry privileges in other states that recognize a Texas LTC and the option for firearms dealers to bypass the background checks like demindeerslayer mentioned.
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Old 04-30-2021, 11:02 AM   #6
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would like to know before renewing mine.
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Old 04-30-2021, 11:06 AM   #7
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would like to know before renewing mine.

reciprocal carry, easier firearms purchases and the way officers respond when they see an LTC is worth the cost of renewal IMO
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Old 04-30-2021, 11:10 AM   #8
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You mean firearms safety 101? I didn't learn much at mine and neither did the folks who showed up and rented a gun to qualify.
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Old 04-30-2021, 11:12 AM   #9
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reciprocal carry, easier firearms purchases and the way officers respond when they see an LTC is worth the cost of renewal IMO
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Old 04-30-2021, 11:14 AM   #10
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reciprocal carry, easier firearms purchases and the way officers respond when they see an LTC is worth the cost of renewal IMO
Yep, I'll continue to renew mine.
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Old 04-30-2021, 11:15 AM   #11
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You mean firearms safety 101? I didn't learn much at mine and neither did the folks who showed up and rented a gun to qualify.
Who's fault is that? Did y'all study?
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Old 04-30-2021, 12:25 PM   #12
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If you take the LTC course for gun safety and training then you are already behind....
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Old 04-30-2021, 12:29 PM   #13
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I made the mistake of buy the lifetime permit for $500 a few months ago. We’ll see if it passes.
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Old 04-30-2021, 12:30 PM   #14
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You mean firearms safety 101? I didn't learn much at mine and neither did the folks who showed up and rented a gun to qualify.


I did learn anything I didnít already know on firearms safety but I learned a TON about the legalities of places you can or canít carry and whatís justifiable in some scenarios.
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Old 04-30-2021, 12:38 PM   #15
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reciprocal carry, easier firearms purchases and the way officers respond when they see an LTC is worth the cost of renewal IMO
These are my thoughts for retaining my license.
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Old 04-30-2021, 01:06 PM   #16
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I did learn anything I didnít already know on firearms safety but I learned a TON about the legalities of places you can or canít carry and whatís justifiable in some scenarios.

I agree they will inform you of some of the legalities but saying someone took that class so now their trained is far from the truth IMO.
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Old 04-30-2021, 01:11 PM   #17
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Who's fault is that? Did y'all study?
The point i was trying to make was I already knew most of the classroom information from just having common sense. The folks that showed with minimal handgun experience didn't gain more experience either.
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Old 04-30-2021, 01:13 PM   #18
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The training

In reality if the only training youíre using is from your LTC class then youíre doing something wrong. They donít exactly teach much about shooting or firearms proficiency.


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Old 04-30-2021, 01:19 PM   #19
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In reality if the only training youíre using is from your LTC class then youíre doing something wrong. They donít exactly teach much about shooting or firearms proficiency.


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You're firing a weapon in your avatar without looking down range. Maybe you need to go thru it again.
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Old 04-30-2021, 04:13 PM   #20
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You're firing a weapon in your avatar without looking down range. Maybe you need to go thru it again.

Itís almost as if that can be done in a safe manner. Like knowing how to control a firearm and also being in a quarry. All Iím saying is if the only training you do is in your LTC class youíre doing something wrong. 90% of people who carry probably have never practiced drawing from their holster, let alone in odd/different positions with different clothing.


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Old 04-30-2021, 04:23 PM   #21
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The class is supposed to teach the laws on the use of deadly force. Kinda important to know if you’re going to carry. I’m in the process of renewing mine because even is this passes, I still want to be able to carry when I travel.
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Old 04-30-2021, 04:25 PM   #22
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If it pass a this time wouldn’t the just put the curriculum on line so folks can study those laws with out the class
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Old 04-30-2021, 04:26 PM   #23
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Will license holders still have to identify if they are carrying a handgun to police if stopped? Will non licensees have to identify if stopped?

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Old 04-30-2021, 10:09 PM   #24
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I read the bill even though it was for a long winded and I think all it does is get rid of UCW.

It did nothing to modify the current LTC law.

I think after that last legislature it only cost $40 for a five-year renewal of the LTC. That comes out to $8 a year.

For that $8 you get to:
1. Bypass the federal background requirement to purchase a firearm from an FFL.

2. Carry in other states which have a reciprocal agreement with Texas.


In my opinion....
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Old 04-30-2021, 10:20 PM   #25
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IF constitutional carry passes, I will definitely continue renewing my CHL, but I hope y’all ain’t holding your breath for CC to pass.

Anyone who travels out of state for business or pleasure should check carry laws in other states before dropping your TX permit.
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Old 04-30-2021, 10:26 PM   #26
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I'll definitely be keeping mine just to streamline purchases.
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Old 04-30-2021, 10:26 PM   #27
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Itís almost as if that can be done in a safe manner. Like knowing how to control a firearm and also being in a quarry. All Iím saying is if the only training you do is in your LTC class youíre doing something wrong. 90% of people who carry probably have never practiced drawing from their holster, let alone in odd/different positions with different clothing.


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Shooting without knowing where your aiming in never safe!

I'm just pulling y'all's chains! Myself, my wife and another couple got our chl class at a Mexican restaurant in Deercrack mall, took about 15 minutes and $75 dollars each. I would hope folks who carry actually spend a little time behind the trigger. I think most do.

I've seen seasoned hunters / shooters with pizzpoor weapon manner's too.
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Old 05-01-2021, 09:33 AM   #28
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The LTC has a tenancy to help you out of tickets, or at least a close friend told me that.


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Old 05-01-2021, 10:21 AM   #29
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Would private business be able to deny access to a constitutional carry customer but allow access to a LTC customer?

30.06 & 30.07 signs, would there be a new one for CC ?


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Old 05-01-2021, 10:30 AM   #30
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Would private business be able to deny access to a constitutional carry customer but allow access to a LTC customer?

30.06 & 30.07 signs, would there be a new one for CC ?


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Good question!
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Old 05-01-2021, 10:31 AM   #31
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Same questions here.
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Old 05-01-2021, 11:35 AM   #32
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Would private business be able to deny access to a constitutional carry customer but allow access to a LTC customer?

30.06 & 30.07 signs, would there be a new one for CC ?


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Itís my understanding 30.06/07 would still apply. Language would have to be amended to include persons without LTC.


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Old 05-01-2021, 02:33 PM   #33
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30.06 & 30.07 signs, would there be a new one for CC ?


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The wording of the new proposed law does not specifically mention 30.06/30.07 but does say that you commit the crime of trespassing if you were given written notice that entry with a firearm was forbidden. I would think that a 30.06/07 sign would be sufficient to say that you have been given written notice.
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30.06 & 30.07 signs, would there be a new one for CC ?


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My guess is the current law regarding signage would be adapted to fit the new bill OR a new law regarding signage would also have to be adopted to clarify where you can and canít carry when properly posted.


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