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Old 04-15-2019, 05:36 AM   #1
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https://www.dallascounty.org/Assets/..._April2019.pdf

Here is the full letter from the Dallasís county DA.
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Old 04-15-2019, 06:06 AM   #2
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Old 04-15-2019, 06:35 AM   #3
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Good luck to y'all. Some I agree with, some I don't.
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Old 04-15-2019, 06:45 AM   #4
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First there were sanctuary cities for immigration now there will be sanctuary cities for criminals.
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Old 04-15-2019, 06:48 AM   #5
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Agree with some but not others.

Really curious to see how the whole “necessity” part plays out.
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Old 04-15-2019, 06:57 AM   #6
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Having an internal policy about not prosecuting low level theft is one thing, but to publicize it is something else......
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Old 04-15-2019, 07:15 AM   #7
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We should be harder on crime... Doing just the opposite!


I want to know if one steals food or dines/dashes what will happen. Nothing to anyone? Or only nothing to those who are classified as "poor"?

Since food is the biggest necessity can people just go into HEB and walk out with anything at any time?
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Old 04-15-2019, 07:30 AM   #8
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Old 04-15-2019, 08:12 AM   #9
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After reading that my brain is on fire!

So when being pulled over just use all the drugs you have (since trace amounts mean nothing) Identify as being African American. Don't have an address so you're considered homeless. Make sure you have less than $750 in stolen food. Don't worry if you have a valid DL.


As for the bail section.. Holy crap that's stupid.
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Old 04-15-2019, 08:15 AM   #10
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Pretty crazy times.
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Old 04-15-2019, 08:20 AM   #11
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So, a crook can steal your bow or gun without any penalty. Nice.
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Old 04-15-2019, 08:34 AM   #12
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So the guy was elected to do a job but he is changing the job up so he has to do the least amount of work possible and still get paid

Wonder what happens if you steal my stuff because it is "necessary" for you and I put a bullet in you?
Do I get to walk with no charges/trial?
Or do the rules change and I have to spend a fortune on defense lawyer?
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Old 04-15-2019, 08:58 AM   #13
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Just make sure you shoot the same number of all races. They seem to be worried about equality.
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Old 04-15-2019, 09:03 AM   #14
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What a jerk. So, just stroll into HEB and steal $749.00 of stuff and the cops cannot touch you.

Boy, that solves a lot of problems. San Francisco has done the exact same thing & they are literally driving small Ma & Pop stores out of business. Big chains will survive but we the law abiding will pay for it via higher prices to make up for the "legalized" stealing of merchandise.

Again, he is an idiot trying to gain the wrong voters.
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Is this guy a Republican or Democrat?































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Old 04-15-2019, 09:20 AM   #16
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As a Dallas resident, I really don't have a problem with what he is trying to do. Unburden the poor. Give them a chance to work. You can't work from jail when you can't post bail for a simple possession charge. Like for having a joint on you. You can't post bail, can't get to work, can't make your car payment. And then it just snow balls from there...

It has worked in other cities, Houston will be doing the same, they are better about keeping it quiet, as is Austin.

I wish we had HEB's to steal from...
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Old 04-15-2019, 09:23 AM   #17
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Typical liberal Dem move! Get out of jail free since you will no longer be held accountable for your actions.

And lots of talk about protecting certain ethnicities from prosecution...so now race can actually qualify you to commit crimes?? This is the same mentality for the idiots calling for reparations. Itís your fault I have to lie, cheat and steal to survive and by gosh, you are gonna pay!!
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Old 04-15-2019, 09:24 AM   #18
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I guess I can steal a truck if mine breaks because it out of necessity to get somewhere. crime should go up for sure.
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Old 04-15-2019, 09:30 AM   #19
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I guess I can steal a truck if mine breaks because it out of necessity to get somewhere. crime should go up for sure.
Only a crappy one worth less than $750 So basically any Ford made before 2018
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Old 04-15-2019, 10:04 AM   #20
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Seems Dallas is going down the same road. While I agree that what we are currently doing isn't the right answer, but what Dallas is doing doesn't seem to be the right answer either, just the easy way out.

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Old 04-15-2019, 12:32 PM   #21
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As a Dallas resident, I really don't have a problem with what he is trying to do. Unburden the poor. Give them a chance to work. You can't work from jail when you can't post bail for a simple possession charge. Like for having a joint on you. You can't post bail, can't get to work, can't make your car payment. And then it just snow balls from there...

It has worked in other cities, Houston will be doing the same, they are better about keeping it quiet, as is Austin.

I wish we had HEB's to steal from...
I agree with what you posted

However, you did not address theft?

$75 worth maybe but nobody needs to steal $750 worth of anything to survive

Equal treatment for equal crimes committed by equal scale criminals

Race, religion etc should play no part in charges or bail amounts
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Old 04-15-2019, 01:28 PM   #22
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I agree with what you posted

However, you did not address theft?

$75 worth maybe but nobody needs to steal $750 worth of anything to survive

Equal treatment for equal crimes committed by equal scale criminals

Race, religion etc should play no part in charges or bail amounts
No one "needs" to steal anything. We are all living high on the hog compared to pretty much any place on earth at any time in the history of man. We should never even for one second think certain people have it rough.

And I bet there's a lot more to bail amounts compared to race than that letter suggests.
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Old 04-15-2019, 03:06 PM   #23
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Honestly, I wonder how real this memo is, no offense to the OP. If it is real...well...we'll all be SOL soon.
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Old 04-15-2019, 03:29 PM   #24
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It is absolutely real. I will say this however. My PD (in dallas co) is going to continue to arrest and follow the penal code. If the county doesnt prosecute there is nothing we can do. Some charges may become lower charges though and kept in muni court to avoid going to county to be dropped
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Old 04-15-2019, 03:53 PM   #25
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As a Dallas resident, I really don't have a problem with what he is trying to do. Unburden the poor. Give them a chance to work. You can't work from jail when you can't post bail for a simple possession charge. Like for having a joint on you. You can't post bail, can't get to work, can't make your car payment. And then it just snow balls from there...

It has worked in other cities, Houston will be doing the same, they are better about keeping it quiet, as is Austin.

I wish we had HEB's to steal from...
Where are these other cities that decriminalizing breaking the law has worked? And, what has "worked"?
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Old 04-15-2019, 04:01 PM   #26
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I agree with what you posted

However, you did not address theft?

$75 worth maybe but nobody needs to steal $750 worth of anything to survive

Equal treatment for equal crimes committed by equal scale criminals

Race, religion etc should play no part in charges or bail amounts
From the letter sent to the DA...

[/quote]Theft of Necessary Items
Study after study shows that when we arrest, jail, and convict people for non-violent crimes committed out of necessity, we only prevent that person from gaining the stability necessary to lead a law-abiding life. Criminalizing poverty is counter-productive for our community’s health and safety. For that reason, this office will not prosecute theft of personal items less than $750 unless the evidence shows that the alleged theft was for economic gain.[/quote]

I agree with you on this. Economic gain is the key phrase here.
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Old 04-15-2019, 04:12 PM   #27
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From the letter sent to the DA...
Theft of Necessary Items
Study after study shows that when we arrest, jail, and convict people for non-violent crimes committed out of necessity, we only prevent that person from gaining the stability necessary to lead a law-abiding life. Criminalizing poverty is counter-productive for our communityís health and safety. For that reason, this office will not prosecute theft of personal items less than $750 unless the evidence shows that the alleged theft was for economic gain.[/quote]

I agree with you on this. Economic gain is the key phrase here.[/QUOTE]

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Where are these other cities that decriminalizing breaking the law has worked? And, what has "worked"?
Check out the Brooklyn community bail fund as an example. A different approach, but the same long term results.

I've worked for and worked with good people who have made a mistake or two, maybe they were at the wrong place at the wrong time, and were then held in jail for a few days, causing them to loose their jobs and then making them more dependent on "the system". I personally think it is a step in the right direction.
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Old 04-15-2019, 04:33 PM   #28
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So if they steal a bike from my garage to go to work, that's non-prosecutorial? Or steal gas from me to fill their cars to drive to the store, same thing?
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Theft of Necessary Items
Study after study shows that when we arrest, jail, and convict people for non-violent crimes committed out of necessity, we only prevent that person from gaining the stability necessary to lead a law-abiding life. Criminalizing poverty is counter-productive for our communityís health and safety. For that reason, this office will not prosecute theft of personal items less than $750 unless the evidence shows that the alleged theft was for economic gain.
I agree with you on this. Economic gain is the key phrase here.[/QUOTE]



Check out the Brooklyn community bail fund as an example. A different approach, but the same long term results.

I've worked for and worked with good people who have made a mistake or two, maybe they were at the wrong place at the wrong time, and were then held in jail for a few days, causing them to loose their jobs and then making them more dependent on "the system". I personally think it is a step in the right direction.[/QUOTE]

I personally believe we should be 10x harder on crime. "Good" people will do much better avoiding illegal activities if they know they will be punished. Versus now where people know they won't be held accountable so why would they care?

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So if they steal a bike from my garage to go to work, that's non-prosecutorial? Or steal gas from me to fill their cars to drive to the store, same thing?
Correct.
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Old 04-15-2019, 09:18 PM   #30
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Right up til the thump.

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Old 04-15-2019, 09:33 PM   #31
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So...Does this mean I can steal $749 per week, month, year or just whenever I need it (ie per occurance) ?
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Old 04-15-2019, 09:38 PM   #32
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why in the hell would THEFT of anyones property be ok?
if you are starving to death their are plenty of taxpayer provided places to go to.

what if the property that is being stolen is from some guy that is just getting their feet under them? now they have to go steal some crap just to make ends meet?

get their heads out of their asses!!
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Old 04-15-2019, 10:07 PM   #33
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why in the hell would THEFT of anyones property be ok?
if you are starving to death their are plenty of taxpayer provided places to go to.

what if the property that is being stolen is from some guy that is just getting their feet under them? now they have to go steal some crap just to make ends meet?

get their heads out of their asses!!
Everyone just borrows everyoneís stuff, then you borrow it back


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As a Dallas resident, I really don't have a problem with what he is trying to do. Unburden the poor. Give them a chance to work. You can't work from jail when you can't post bail for a simple possession charge. Like for having a joint on you. You can't post bail, can't get to work, can't make your car payment. And then it just snow balls from there...

It has worked in other cities, Houston will be doing the same, they are better about keeping it quiet, as is Austin.

I wish we had HEB's to steal from...
How about just not have a possession charge and you donít have to worry about the rest of the snow ball effect. Not too hard to do the right thing.
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Old 04-15-2019, 11:06 PM   #35
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Most of this I agree with - not a whole lot that I donít.
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I sent this over to my buddy that just retired as an Assistant DA and he had some insight on everything but the theft and $750 limit. His point was as long as it is less than $750, they will have a hard time in it not being a necessity, each person is different and has certain needs. You're good as long as you don't fence the goods. One could build up quite a stash.

He said the local businesses will sort it out once they being losing goods and no prosecution takes place. They will run him out quick.
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As a Dallas resident, I really don't have a problem with what he is trying to do. Unburden the poor. Give them a chance to work. You can't work from jail when you can't post bail for a simple possession charge. Like for having a joint on you. You can't post bail, can't get to work, can't make your car payment. And then it just snow balls from there...

It has worked in other cities, Houston will be doing the same, they are better about keeping it quiet, as is Austin.

I wish we had HEB's to steal from...
I just dont understand this mentality. If you cant work from jail for a posession charge, dont posess. That simple. No snowballing. Dont posess and you dont have to worry about it.

It really is that simple.
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I sent this over to my buddy that just retired as an Assistant DA and he had some insight on everything but the theft and $750 limit. His point was as long as it is less than $750, they will have a hard time in it not being a necessity, each person is different and has certain needs. You're good as long as you don't fence the goods. One could build up quite a stash.

He said the local businesses will sort it out once they being losing goods and no prosecution takes place. They will run him out quick.
My question is can a person openly walk into a store and blatantly walk out with milk, bread, eggs, etc? Is there anything the store can do to stop you?
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I dont agree with a single bit of it. All efforts in the memo shoud be abandoned and turned towards efforts to ensure innocents arent arrested and/or prosecuted in the first place. Other than that, quite frankly, I dont want to hear the whining if you commit a crime and get arrested. If you did it, man up and pay the dues. Cant affors to lose your job for a DWI? Dont drive while intoxicated. Cant afford bail for stealing? Dont steal.

The plain fact of the matter is, with few ( and notable ) exceptions, the cronically poor in America are poor for a reason. If you are buying weed, you aint poor enough to need to steal to live.

( notable exceptions include mothers abandoned by the father, elderly unable to work etc )
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And the whole African Americans get higher fines and more time crud is wholly irrelevant if they dont commit a crime. I have known plenty of black people that have not been affected by that "fact" one single bit. They dont commit crimes so dont have to worry about it.

How hard is that?

( again, false imprisonment and charges are an issue that needs to be addressed )
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My question is can a person openly walk into a store and blatantly walk out with milk, bread, eggs, etc? Is there anything the store can do to stop you?
Well, if the store tries and stop them and they get hurt it becomes a robbery. Just last week in Harris county a trooper friend of mine stopped a car. First time marijuana charge for the driver. He also was a felon in possession of a fire arm with a stolen gun. He had crack cocaine and powder cocaine. The DA only accepted the class B marijuana. Since itís his first marijuana offense he will be offered the diversion program or dropped completely. Leading him to be charged with noting. He was working but I guarantee you he is not claiming taxes.
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Old 04-16-2019, 07:42 AM   #42
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If I owned a small business in Dallas, every item I sold would be marked at $751 dollars. We could negotiate the price when and if you show you can pay. But if you walk out with it, my value would be $751 dollars, minimum, when I report it.
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My question is can a person openly walk into a store and blatantly walk out with milk, bread, eggs, etc? Is there anything the store can do to stop you?
For the question at hand, he stated the stores will treat it as shoplifting as usual, a ride to jail but no charges and as it looks, no bonding to get out. He feels that most LEO will treat it just as they have been but the DA will not accept the case. Once those stack up, something is going to change. Business owners will not stand for that "lack of service" from the DA. He said it will be one of the "you will beat the rap but you're gonna take the ride" kind of deals. I probably butchered the verbiage, lol.

His concern is what is a necessity? Who determines that? A phone? A case of water, groceries, fuel? It's a slippery slope. He also felt that $750 was way out of line, that's a lot of stuff. The DA's stance will be tested pretty quickly I'd think.

Then again, it's kinda like a fender bender in a private parking lot, LEO might make sure you exchange info and that's it. I can see some LEO getting disgruntled and just winging it after writing up a few cases and just getting no billed. It will be a stressful time for the LEO in that county for a while for sure.
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As a Dallas resident, I really don't have a problem with what he is trying to do. Unburden the poor. Give them a chance to work. You can't work from jail when you can't post bail for a simple possession charge. Like for having a joint on you. You can't post bail, can't get to work, can't make your car payment. And then it just snow balls from there...

It has worked in other cities, Houston will be doing the same, they are better about keeping it quiet, as is Austin.

I wish we had HEB's to steal from...
You really think turning a petty thief loose will encourage him to work?!?! Laughable
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Old 04-16-2019, 08:26 AM   #45
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I just dont understand this mentality. If you cant work from jail for a posession charge, dont posess. That simple. No snowballing. Dont posess and you dont have to worry about it.

It really is that simple.
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Old 04-16-2019, 08:28 AM   #46
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From the letter sent to the DA...
Theft of Necessary Items
Study after study shows that when we arrest, jail, and convict people for non-violent crimes committed out of necessity, we only prevent that person from gaining the stability necessary to lead a law-abiding life. Criminalizing poverty is counter-productive for our communityís health and safety. For that reason, this office will not prosecute theft of personal items less than $750 unless the evidence shows that the alleged theft was for economic gain.[/quote]

I agree with you on this. Economic gain is the key phrase here.[/QUOTE]

So as long as they can prove theyíre selling the stolen goods to feed their family itís ok?!?!
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This is how Dallas will look in a few years. I have spent a lot of time in the Seattle area for work in the last couple of months and it is amazing how bad it is up there. If you have an hour watch this special done by a fair news channel in Seattle. This is the future for Dallas .

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Old 04-16-2019, 04:09 PM   #48
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Watched it. And people want to make it ok to do drugs and employers not drug test. All this is drug related. Duh
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Old 04-16-2019, 04:20 PM   #49
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So now the homeless man who commits a loitering or public disturbance crime just so he can get a free meal will no longer be able to do that. He will now have to commit this crime at a residence to get the same treatment.

Great plan!
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Old 04-16-2019, 04:50 PM   #50
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I dunno man. I don't have an alternative solution so I'm not sure I can truly complain...but I just don't get it. I don't get why we have to help/cater to the poor.

Off subject...had a girl at work who is purposely not marrying her baby's father because that would lessen the amount of child-care money Tarrant county gives her. She came up to me and bragged about getting over $800 a month for day care. Bragging about it. I looked at her because she was clueless at how this could have been offensive. I said, do you really think I have an extra $800 a month laying around to pay for child care?

Going back to the letter...What I don't get is how we're taking away all of the bad things that could happen to people for making wrong decisions. Isn't the horrible mess you could be putting yourself in part of the reason one should do the "right thing"? Isn't that the motivation to do good things in life? Because you won't end up in a situation you can't, or at least it would be hard to get out of?

And on the food thing... You know there was a story I read not too long ago about a kid stealing candy from a 7-11. He said he was stealing it so his little brother could have something to eat. It's candy! It ain't a meal! You were stealing the dang candy! And the "stealing for necessity"... If you steal $749 worth of food, they still have to proof it was out of necessity. Again - you're poor, you get a hand out. You can afford the $749 worth of food, you get a worse punishment. How is that equality?

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