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Old 09-21-2020, 02:57 PM   #1
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Angry Shoulder tendon tear

After a 30 minute ultra sound, I now know why my shoulder has been giving me problems for what seems like forever. I have at least one tendon and maybe more with a tear. Not separated from a bone, but longways completely thru the tendon. Waiting to hear from the Orthopedic Doc.

My bow season may be over before it starts!
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Old 09-21-2020, 03:05 PM   #2
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dang, man. Sorry to hear that!
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Old 09-21-2020, 03:10 PM   #3
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Sorry to hear...I'm typing this while wearing a sling. SLAP tear repair last week Thursday...fortunately I got really lucky and the tear was minor enough I only need the sling for 10 days but my bow season is still shot. Missed bow season 2 years ago when I had the same thing happen on my other shoulder (only more severe). I guess I have the matching set now.
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Old 09-21-2020, 03:41 PM   #4
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I’m right there with you... I’ve got a pretty much complete reconstruction scheduled for October 12 - labrum, biceps, rotator and A/C joint. Sucks to miss most of the season, but with as much pain and discomfort as I’m in, I’m ready to get it done. I can’t even get a decent night of sleep right now.
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Old 09-21-2020, 06:05 PM   #5
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That’s some bad news for sure, sorry to hear about your shoulder tendon. Never a good time for this type injury, but right before the season starts is the worst time for a bowhunter. Good luck.
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Old 09-21-2020, 06:11 PM   #6
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Sorry to hear. Shoulder injuries are a pain, I know.


On another note, my dyslexia had me reading your thread title as Shoulder Tenderloin tear.
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Old 09-21-2020, 06:20 PM   #7
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Sorry to hear about you shoulder. Get you a crossbow with a crank.
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Old 09-21-2020, 07:20 PM   #8
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Dang sure hate to hear that Doug get you a crossbow or wheel gun and hunt your same setups.

Beats sitting at the house
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Old 09-21-2020, 07:23 PM   #9
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What were your signs or symptoms? Got both shoulders giving me different issues. My right is definitely the worse of the 2.
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Old 09-21-2020, 07:25 PM   #10
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Old 09-21-2020, 07:26 PM   #11
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What were your signs or symptoms? Got both shoulders giving me different issues. My right is definitely the worse of the 2.
Pain in certain positions I have my shoulder/arm in, fingers going numb at times, loss of strength when trying to lift things above my shoulder, pain if it is a wrong position while trying to sleep!
Sometimes there is pain while not doing anything, depends on what i have done while working or whatever.
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Old 09-21-2020, 07:30 PM   #12
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Fractured my shoulder back in May and itís still giving me trouble. Had some gnarly bruising too. Good luck with your recovery.
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Old 09-21-2020, 07:37 PM   #13
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Pain in certain positions I have my shoulder/arm in, fingers going numb at times, loss of strength when trying to lift things above my shoulder, pain if it is a wrong position while trying to sleep!
Sometimes there is pain while not doing anything, depends on what i have done while working or whatever.
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Old 09-21-2020, 07:38 PM   #14
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Fractured my shoulder back in May and itís still giving me trouble. Had some gnarly bruising too. Good luck with your recovery.
WOW!!!! That looks ugly. Good luck on the recovery
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Old 09-21-2020, 07:38 PM   #15
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I am sorry to hear this Doug.

I tore my Labrum cartilage last deer season climbing trees. I did 46 treestand sits. That is 92 times up and down a tree.

I was hurting most of December and January. I had an MRI in February. Started physical therapy in early March. I did 6 weeks of PT and it really helped. It taught me stretching and strengthening exercises that has helped me regain my range of motion. I still have some pain, but I can shoot my bow and do most everything that I had done before the injury.

Good luck. Work hard on your physical therapy and continue it at home.



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Old 09-21-2020, 07:58 PM   #16
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Yep!! Torn elbow tendon here and surgery scheduled 10/7. Itís a crossbow this year!
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Old 09-21-2020, 10:28 PM   #17
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Just had the steroid injection in my bow shoulder this morning--but my issue is a slightly aggravated rotator cuff and won't require any cutting. This shot will get me thru bow season according to the doc, and he laughed when I told him feral hog season was year-round. Then he said get the shotgun out.
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Old 09-22-2020, 06:35 AM   #18
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Do not slack on the rehab.
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Old 09-22-2020, 07:08 AM   #19
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Sorry to hear and i can relate. I had a complete Labrum tear in highschool and had to have surgery. Most important thing is following through with rehab and not quitting the first time it feels "normal"

I made that mistake young and live with not rehabbing it right every day.
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Old 09-22-2020, 09:09 AM   #20
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Yep, do the rehab, slow deliberate and dilligent. I've had both shoulders done, left was easy-slight labrum tear with two rotator cuff tears, bicep tendonesis, some general athritis clean-up etc. None of the tears were severe, required debridement only. Right shoulder was a mess, all of the above, tears needed to sewn up, AC joint issue blah, blah.

I would highly recommend discussing biologics (PRP, bone marrow etc) with your doc. I had PRP injections during surgery in both shoulders and a bone marrow shot into my right AC. Made a huge difference in my recovery. Second fwiw, find a doc that specializes in shoulders.

I'm 57, and back to lifting 3x week and rolling on the mat with BJJ 3x week. I shoot rifle and pistol weekly. I've seen too many in my peer group be stupid about early return to activity or stopping rehab prematurely.

Almost anyone over 50 that is semi active will have some tearing in the labrum and at least one of the four rotator cuffs, get ahead of it and fix it with surgery.

Good luck with the surgery and rehab!

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Old 09-22-2020, 09:24 AM   #21
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Pain in certain positions I have my shoulder/arm in, fingers going numb at times, loss of strength when trying to lift things above my shoulder, pain if it is a wrong position while trying to sleep!
Sometimes there is pain while not doing anything, depends on what i have done while working or whatever.
I had the same issues except mine was from just an impingement. I haven't pulled my bow back in two years. Doc told me it can't really be fixed and the action of drawing the bow is probably causing it. I stopped and it went away and can sleep through the night again. 4 months of waking up every couple hours because of the shoulder pain, i haven't wanted to pick my bow up. Almost picked it up this year though.
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Old 09-22-2020, 09:24 AM   #22
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I need a replacement. Somedays I can pull my bow back a couple times, sometimes it ain't happening. So, in other words, the buck of a lifetime is going to walk out on the ain't happening day, lol. Good luck
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Old 09-22-2020, 09:42 AM   #23
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I feel yalls pain I've had 5 shoulder surgeries .....rehab rehab rehab still can only shoot a crossbow..
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Old 09-22-2020, 09:42 AM   #24
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I am sorry to hear this Doug.

I tore my Labrum cartilage last deer season climbing trees. I did 46 treestand sits. That is 92 times up and down a tree.

I was hurting most of December and January. I had an MRI in February. Started physical therapy in early March. I did 6 weeks of PT and it really helped. It taught me stretching and strengthening exercises that has helped me regain my range of motion. I still have some pain, but I can shoot my bow and do most everything that I had done before the injury.

Good luck. Work hard on your physical therapy and continue it at home.



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I was gonna suggest this as well.Building,and strengthening;can do wonders.

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Old 09-22-2020, 09:53 AM   #25
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My right shoulder has been separated twice.

Early this year, it started aching pretty bad. I had thought about surgery.

I bought some collagen just for the blood system veins and arteries.

Been putting a tablespoon in my bullet proof coffee for a couple of months now.

My shoulder pain has subsided and the clicking and catches have gone away.

I know it's not "fixed", but it is muchos better.

YMMV.
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Old 09-24-2020, 11:31 AM   #26
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sorry to hear that, i'm on the same boat as you. got my operation done on 091520. its been a week and 2 days today. should start PT soon. but my bow season didn't is done.
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Old 09-24-2020, 11:35 AM   #27
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After a 30 minute ultra sound, I now know why my shoulder has been giving me problems for what seems like forever. I have at least one tendon and maybe more with a tear. Not separated from a bone, but longways completely thru the tendon. Waiting to hear from the Orthopedic Doc.

My bow season may be over before it starts!
Exact thing happen to me in high school. Surgery isnít too bad but the down time sucks.
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Old 09-24-2020, 05:37 PM   #28
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Here is a summary of what they found:

high grade undersurface or small full thickness partial width tear of the anterior distal supraspinatus tendon, superimposed upon tendonitus

small areas of undersurface tearing of distal subscapularis rendon
findings suggesting longitudinal split tear of long head of biceps tendon.
added fluid and debris present within biceps tendon sheath.

To me, this does not sound good. Have not talked to the Ortho surgeon yet, but I want this fixed and not a long drawn out "maybe in a few months it will heal on it's own",

I have a new place and with 6.46 acres and needing to keep it mowed and to clean up around 3 structures and my pond, I cannot afford to be out of commission for an extended period waiting on something that may or may not heal on it's own. Am i wrong in my thinking for you that have been down this road?
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Old 09-24-2020, 07:06 PM   #29
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Same thing happened to me. Agree with crossbow with crank. Don’t miss this season. Get a crossbow with scope and shoot it in. You can be back in business in two days.
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Old 09-24-2020, 08:24 PM   #30
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I hurt my shoulder on a pheasant hunting trip to Iowa. We were sitting around drinking Crown Royal and I thought it would be a good idea to arm wrestle. My doctor told me I just had a little bone spur and some arthritis from pitching that he needed to clean up and I would be throwing a baseball to my son in 4 weeks. After 2 or 3 hours of surgery he told me it would be 6 months to a year before I could throw. It was closer to a year. I could pull back my bow a lot sooner that I could throw for some reason.
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Old 09-24-2020, 08:55 PM   #31
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My experience (for what it's worth, and experiance): Surgery or not, healing a shoulder injury takes time. Usually 3 months minimum with PT. Sometimes up to 6 months pending several variables and the person. Just PT will help get the shoulder stabilized in some cases. As a destabilized shoulder can lead to pain, loss of motion, further injury, and more. Stabilization is gained through PT and strength training of the shoulder joint via certain exercises and techniques through your therapist. And some therapist won't want you doing anything with the shoulder for at least 2-3 months, other than their PT, to prevent further injury.
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Old 09-25-2020, 05:07 AM   #32
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I had surgery 20 years ago. I am lucky cause I can still shoot 50+ pounds on trad bows and 70 pounds on compounds. I had to walk not run when it came to conditioning to shoot bows again.
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Old 09-25-2020, 01:21 PM   #33
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Xbow time.
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Sorry to hear that Doug
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Been fighting left shoulder pain since April of last year. Went to a specialist in May of 19 and cortisone shots and in home PT. Did that, felt good for a while. By fall of 2019 the pain was creeping back. After fishing all spring, pain is back fully and then some. I have two positions that I can lay and not be in pain. Sleeping is not coming easy. I don't know if I want to get the cortisone again and I dang sure don't want surgery. I never really got a solid diagnosis. They did x-rays and twisted around on it for about 2 minutes then shot the cortisone in.
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Old 09-25-2020, 03:44 PM   #36
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Just had the steroid injection in my bow shoulder this morning--but my issue is a slightly aggravated rotator cuff and won't require any cutting. This shot will get me thru bow season according to the doc, and he laughed when I told him feral hog season was year-round. Then he said get the shotgun out.
Had basically the same conversation (and Cortisone shot) on Wed. The difference was, my doc wanted all kinds of info on archery and bow hunting. He said, "man, that sounds so cool!! I wanna do that!"
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Old 09-27-2020, 12:08 AM   #37
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Hey we need a good camp cook. I’ll kill em you can cook for us!!
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Old 09-27-2020, 01:36 AM   #38
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Here is a summary of what they found:

high grade undersurface or small full thickness partial width tear of the anterior distal supraspinatus tendon, superimposed upon tendonitus

small areas of undersurface tearing of distal subscapularis rendon
findings suggesting longitudinal split tear of long head of biceps tendon.
added fluid and debris present within biceps tendon sheath.

To me, this does not sound good. Have not talked to the Ortho surgeon yet, but I want this fixed and not a long drawn out "maybe in a few months it will heal on it's own",

I have a new place and with 6.46 acres and needing to keep it mowed and to clean up around 3 structures and my pond, I cannot afford to be out of commission for an extended period waiting on something that may or may not heal on it's own. Am i wrong in my thinking for you that have been down this road?
Find you an experianced shoulder surgeon and take him the test results. I dislocated my shoulder and was told I had multiple tears that might heal with 6 months of PT but that there was no guarantee. I was also told surgery would fix it for sure or had a 99% chance of fixing it.

Surgeon told me, that with most people my age ( mid 40s ) he normally recommended PT over surgery unless they had a very active life style. I told him to sharpen his knife as I didn't want to be out a year ( 6 months PT just to have surgery and another 6 months of recovery if PT alone failed). Shoulder is better than ever after completing post surgery PT.

Best of luck with what ever route you go to fix the shoulder. Recliners help with the sleeping issue and you will certainly need one if you get surgery.
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Old 10-05-2020, 04:52 PM   #39
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Did the nerve transmission test this afternoon. Found out I have severe Carpal Tunnel in my left wrist that will probably require surgery PLUS an MRI on the 21st to determine my options after viewing the results of the MRI! I told the Doc I wanted this fixed and not have to wait 4 to 6 months to see if PT would fix the tears, but I will get the MRI and visit with a couple of surgeons and see what they say.
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