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Old 05-17-2019, 11:23 AM   #1
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Anyone ever been questioned by the range master or any employees there?

What did you do if so?
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Old 05-17-2019, 11:48 AM   #2
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Never been questioned, but i have copies of all stamps in the range bag, so if it ever was questioned its easily resolved.
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I've never been questioned on a SBR or suppressor and they have no authority to do so either. You do not have to show them anything if asked but they could ask you to leave if you don't. Twenty years ago you hardly ever saw a SBR or suppressor but now days they are common place and don't even attract attention.
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Anyone ever been questioned by the range master or any employees there?

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kinda jumping off on that what about AR Pistols. no paper work or anything required what would you do if they came up to you.
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I keep a copy of my FFL in my phone. Don't see any reason you couldn't do the same with your stamp. Never been questioned, and frankly if they don't have a badge, its not really any of their business.
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Old 05-17-2019, 01:08 PM   #6
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Yes, I've been asked to see my stamp several times. No, they don't have a right to see it, but, yes, they have a right to ask you to leave if you refuse. IMHO, asking to see a tax stamp is akin to playing cop.
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now days they are common place and don't even attract attention.
lol
they attract attention by being a huge nuissance. unsuppressed SBR guys at the range are the WORST.
I wonder if those guys go out to dinner and fart next to people?
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they attract attention by being a huge nuissance. unsuppressed SBR guys at the range are the WORST.
I wonder if those guys go out to dinner and fart next to people?
You do have the right to wear hearing protection, to move, or to go on a different day. The concussion from a rifle next door to you with a muzzle break is at least as bad, but that guy has as much right to be there as I do.
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You do have the right to wear hearing protection, to move, or to go on a different day. The concussion from a rifle next door to you with a muzzle break is at least as bad, but that guy has as much right to be there as I do.
It's not about rights-- just courtesy and a pet peeve of mine.
Generally the guy with a muzzle break is not putting 100-200 rounds down range the entire hour I'm shooting a few groups. So while, yeah, the concussion might be at least as bad, once it hits I know I'm clear for at least a few seconds to take an uninterrupted shot without that plus a monster muzzle flash of wasted powder strobe lighting the place.
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Old 05-17-2019, 02:18 PM   #10
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I have been asked once. Suppressed 10.5” 556 and a suppressed 9” blackout. They did not get to see stamps. ATF is welcome to and that’s it. I politely told them they are registered. Showed them the engraving and told them someone would have to be nuts to bring 4 unregistered NFA items to a public range lol. They were cool. I shot and left.
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Old 05-17-2019, 02:21 PM   #12
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Generally the guy with a muzzle break is not putting 100-200 rounds down range the entire hour I'm shooting a few groups.
I want it on the record that you said "muzzle break."
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I want it on the record that you said "muzzle break."
lol... misspelling happens to everyone. is it an excuse that I quoted someone?
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lol... misspelling happens to everyone. is it an excuse that I quoted someone?
Remind him a big enough gun at Reds could ďbreakĒ something with a brake!!
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You can tell them it is none of their damm business.
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Old 05-17-2019, 05:36 PM   #16
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Im big on individual rights and limits on authority. Ive been asked and simply did as another poster above did. Told them yes of course they are registered and who the hell would take one that wasnt out to a public range. He just agreed and walked away.

I also have copies of stamps in my range bag just incase but ive never showed them to anyone.

PS: I only shoot 300 blk in my SBR, no way id shoot 5.56 lol.
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Once. Similar to above. Asked, I said yes, went back to shooting.

All 2 stampers as shooting sbr’s unsupressed is god awful for all involved
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Remind him a big enough gun at Reds could ďbreakĒ something with a brake!!


Thereís a few holes in the walls already!
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Old 05-17-2019, 06:44 PM   #19
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Yes, I've been asked to see my stamp several times. No, they don't have a right to see it, but, yes, they have a right to ask you to leave if you refuse. IMHO, asking to see a tax stamp is akin to playing cop.


Theyíre called ďfuddsĒ and they should move to California.


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Old 05-17-2019, 08:17 PM   #20
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Never, and it would be my last time at that range if they did.



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Old 05-17-2019, 08:20 PM   #21
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I'll let ya'll know how the M16 belt fed upper goes if I can ever make time to get to the range...kinda makes an sbr concern yawn.
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I'll let ya'll know how the M16 belt fed upper goes if I can ever make time to get to the range...kinda makes an sbr concern yawn.
Yeah folks forget about my suppressors and SBRs when the Glock comes out too! lol
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I'll let ya'll know how the M16 belt fed upper goes if I can ever make time to get to the range...kinda makes an sbr concern yawn.
Interested to hear... and you wonít be shooting it at my local range since they donít allow full auto. Fee free to fart in the lane as well.
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Ask to see their ATF credentials.

Reason number 739,296 I hate shooting at public ranges.
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Ask to see their ATF credentials.

Reason number 739,296 I hate shooting at public ranges.
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Old 05-18-2019, 12:06 PM   #26
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Ask to see their ATF credentials.

Reason number 739,296 I hate shooting at public ranges.
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My range requires you show paperwork. I let them know what I think of their policy every time but still do it. Too far to drive to another range in a timely fashion. I avoid the range when possible though.
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My range requires you show paperwork. I let them know what I think of their policy every time but still do it. Too far to drive to another range in a timely fashion. I avoid the range when possible though.


Who the hail they think they are?
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Yeah folks forget about my suppressors and SBRs when the Glock comes out too! lol
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Ok you win.
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Ok you win.
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Who the hail they think they are?
Private business owners. Respect their wishes or avoid.
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Private business owners. Respect their wishes or avoid.
Theyíre also in business serving the public and as a customer I would probably courteously let them know what I think of invasive policies. Sometimes, like the guy who goes there, you gotta deal with it if there are no other options.
Gotta love the irony of respecting their right as private business owners to require you to present documents that are none of their business.
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Private business owners. Respect their wishes or avoid.


They arenít ATF or LE. They have no right to see them.


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True, but they do have the right to make you leave for whatever reason they so choose. Be it refusing play hide the pickle, or not showing your papers for an sbr. It's their land, their rules.
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True, but they do have the right to make you leave for whatever reason they so choose. Be it refusing play hide the pickle, or not showing your papers for an sbr. It's their land, their rules.


If they really think Iím stupid enough to bring NFA items into a public range then Iíll gladly leave and go to a range that isnít such a bunch of fudds and power hungry.




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If they really think Iím stupid enough to bring NFA items into a public range then Iíll gladly leave and go to a range that isnít such a bunch of fudds and power hungry.




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As is your right. I personally would be annoyed if my range asked me, but they don't.
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Wish the Glock would work with a suppressor.
Why doesn't it work with a can?

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They arenít ATF or LE. They have no right to see them.
The range staff has as much right to see your NFA paperwork as you have to stand on their private property. I don't understand all the panty-twisting about this issue. Are there snowflakes amongst us?
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The range staff has as much right to see your NFA paperwork as you have to stand on their private property. I don't understand all the panty-twisting about this issue. Are there snowflakes amongst us?

Explain why you think private employees have any right to request to see NFA paperwork.

They arenít LE and at best all they could do is ask me to leave, which I will gladly do as I stated earlier.

How are they negatively affected or under any liability by me bringing NFA regulated items into their facility?




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Why doesn't it work with a can?
Cyclic rate is too fast for the booster to do it's job. I can get a three round burst basically, but that's about it.
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Explain why you think private employees have any right to request to see NFA paperwork.
They don't. And you don't have any right to be on their property. So the rights are equal. Surely you can make that connection.
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How are they negatively affected or under any liability by me bringing NFA regulated items into their facility?
Does it really take much creativity to imagine the liability sh1t-show of a range owner who gets dragged into court when, as it turns out, America's next mass murderer was using their range to test his illegal home-made Maglite cans until he got them just perfect enough to perpetrate his crime?
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They don't. And you don't have any right to be on their property. So the rights are equal. Surely you can make that connection.


Does it really take much creativity to imagine the liability sh1t-show of a range owner who gets dragged into court when, as it turns out, America's next mass murderer was using their range to test his illegal home-made Maglite cans until he got them just perfect enough to perpetrate his crime?
That would make as much sense as asking to see your cancelled check to prove you are up to date on your income taxes. A tax stamp is proof of having paid the tax on your NFA item. There wouldn't be any more liability from a future mass murderer having not paid his NFA tax than if he had not paid his income taxes. It's a technicality, not a public nuisance.
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That would make as much sense as asking to see your cancelled check to prove you are up to date on your income taxes. A tax stamp is proof of having paid the tax on your NFA item. There wouldn't be any more liability from a future mass murderer having not paid his NFA tax than if he had not paid his income taxes. It's a technicality, not a public nuisance.
I do not understand the point you are trying to make. Can you unpack it a bit?
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I do not understand the point you are trying to make. Can you unpack it a bit?
Whether or not a potential murderer has a tax stamp imparts no liability on the range owner. He can't delve into the psychology of people responsibly using his range.
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Whether or not a potential murderer has a tax stamp imparts no liability on the range owner. He can't delve into the psychology of people responsibly using his range.
I would certainly assume that a 'gun range' has substantially higher general liability insurance rates than a golf 'driving range'. As part of the limited number of insurers willing to take on the risk of covering a 'gun range', I would also assume terms are included in the policy which forbid the use of illegal firearms on the premises. Some 'gun ranges' probably attempt to abide by such terms differently than others: one range may rely on 'profiling' while another has someone ask gun owners about their stamps.
Hopefully our country will stay free enough that private property owners can make what demands they wish of those desiring to use their property and those desiring to use the property can retain the freedom to not patronize those private property owners' businesses if they disagree with those demands.
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I've never been hassled but there's a lot of canned and SBR shooters at my range.

There's nothing in the range rules prohibiting cans or SBRs nor a requirement to show paperwork so unless they are ATF agents then I have no duty to show them that and if hassled I'd ask where in the rules they have the authority to hassle me.

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Whether or not a potential murderer has a tax stamp imparts no liability on the range owner. He can't delve into the psychology of people responsibly using his range.
Oh, SURE it does! You're really having a hard time imaging a PI lawyer convincing a jury about how maybe the range staff could've asked for the guy's paperwork and spared all these lives lost? How it would have been quick and easy to do?

Look, I'm not saying this is the way I *want* things to go. But you folks seem to be baffled as to why a range would ask these questions. The answers are obvious. At least to me.
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Oh, SURE it does! You're really having a hard time imaging a PI lawyer convincing a jury about how maybe the range staff could've asked for the guy's paperwork and spared all these lives lost? How it would have been quick and easy to do?



Look, I'm not saying this is the way I *want* things to go. But you folks seem to be baffled as to why a range would ask these questions. The answers are obvious. At least to me.


You can be sued for anything. I donít live my life around the what *might* happen. Seems a lot of folks would be a lot less stressed if they did the same.

Iíd say the odds are in the rangeís favor since there is virtually zero crime committed with NFA regulated items.


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Sure they can be sued, doesn’t mean they’d have any legal liability for someone not having a stamp. If I was on that jury, I’d acquit.

Why would they want to see a stamp? Another line of defense for liability is a reason. Another would be to avoid negative publicity of illegal firearms being used at their facility.

I think it’s ridiculous but it’s what the range owner feels is a necessity. It’s not an infringement upon my rights so I will continue to just let them know their policy is dumb as I show them my stamps until another 300 yard range opens up close to me.
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Iíd say the odds are in the rangeís favor since there is virtually zero crime committed with NFA regulated items.
The point continues to go right over your head. No one in this thread is talking about NFA owners committing crimes. We are talking about Johnny-Come-Lately and his Maglite can that no one ever thought was a little odd and maybe the RO should check out before the school gets shot up.
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