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gtsticker · 01-26-2022, 06:00 PM

we purchased a ranch that is owned by a LLC with one principle. There was a ranch manager living on the ranch that was his agent but not a member of the LLC. our contract excluded a squeeze chute and personal items from in the ranch managers house. We let the ranch manager stay in house for a while while preparing the lodge. He started hauling items like cattle trailers, flatbed trailer and some small items off the ranch to another location. he advised him that all that was included in the contract but did not make a big deal about it at the time as we really did not need those items. We advised we would ned him and his girlfriend to start paying rent if they wanting to continue to stay in the house.They moved out and took everything off the ranch that was not tied down. They took three conex containers, barbecue pits, a couple freezers from the lodge ect.
Now these items may have been purchased by them before we bought the property but it was not laid out in the contract that those items were to be removed.
Do we file a civil suit?
Do we file on them for theft?
Do we just let it go and say good riddens?
Whats you opinion as we are torn on what is the best thing to do in this situation. We get their belief that it is theirs but the contract states it is ours.

SabineHunter · 01-26-2022, 06:02 PM

I'd file theft.

TKRanch · 01-26-2022, 06:05 PM

Might let them know that if it is not returned theft charges will be filed? Maybe check with lawyer to review realities of possible success if charges are filed first?

db@100 · 01-26-2022, 06:08 PM

Is it worth your time and trouble? What condition was the items in?

GarGuy · 01-26-2022, 06:11 PM

Was the term "personal items" defined? If not, he gonna claim that as his personal items and they may well be.

mikemorvan · 01-26-2022, 06:17 PM

Just based on what is stated, i'd say plenty more information is needed. Just how specific was the contract on what was, and was not, included in the deal?

gemini2759 · 01-26-2022, 06:21 PM

I'd let it go. Not worth the aggravation.

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kae006 · 01-26-2022, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by GarGuy

Was the term "personal items" defined? If not, he gonna claim that as his personal items and they may well be.

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Originally Posted by mikemorvan

Just based on what is stated, i'd say plenty more information is needed. Just how specific was the contract on what was, and was not, included in the deal?

This is basically what I was going to say but Garguy and Mike beat me to it. Also, as to whether it's worth going after or not is completely up to you. If you bought a million dollar ranch and he took a couple thousand dollars worth of items off the land then probably not worth the trouble outside of principal. Also, not sure if your issue will end up falling on the seller or the tenant depending on if there was an existing contract between seller and manager. Depending on dollar amount of the items taken it may be worth reaching out to a real estate attorney, or at least start with your realtor/broker if you used one.

ACbob · 01-26-2022, 06:32 PM

And your bigger problem may end up being getting them out of the house. Good luck with all of it, and congrats on the ranch!

gtsticker · 01-26-2022, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by db@100

Is it worth your time and trouble? What condition was the items in?

good condition. If you include the conex containers and everything 20k plus worth of stuff.

gtsticker · 01-26-2022, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by GarGuy

Was the term "personal items" defined? If not, he gonna claim that as his personal items and they may well be.

it said personal items in the ranch managers house. nothing about anything on the property outside the house except the one squeeze chute.

gtsticker · 01-26-2022, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by ACbob

And your bigger problem may end up being getting them out of the house. Good luck with all of it, and congrats on the ranch!

no their gone locks to the gate changed!

gtsticker · 01-26-2022, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by mikemorvan

Just based on what is stated, i'd say plenty more information is needed. Just how specific was the contract on what was, and was not, included in the deal?

this is part of the issue. the items specifically excluded were only the personal items in the ranch managers house and the squeeze chute. the failure was that every item on the place was not specified.

gtsticker · 01-26-2022, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by kae006

This is basically what I was going to say but Garguy and Mike beat me to it. Also, as to whether it's worth going after or not is completely up to you. If you bought a million dollar ranch and he took a couple thousand dollars worth of items off the land then probably not worth the trouble outside of principal. Also, not sure if your issue will end up falling on the seller or the tenant depending on if there was an existing contract between seller and manager. Depending on dollar amount of the items taken it may be worth reaching out to a real estate attorney, or at least start with your realtor/broker if you used one.

Talked with a local attorney and he feels it is theft and we should file that. He also stated that small town LE and prosecutors may just say it is civil and we would have to go that route.

DRT · 01-26-2022, 06:50 PM

I'd get an attorney to contact them. Either the items returned or a $20K check. Barring that charges would be filed.

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sports · 01-26-2022, 07:03 PM

Have a real estate attorney not associated with the purchase of the ranch review your contract and go from there.

Artos · 01-26-2022, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by gtsticker

Talked with a local attorney and he feels it is theft and we should file that. He also stated that small town LE and prosecutors may just say it is civil and we would have to go that route.

I'm no expert in these sorta issues, but I would likely only move forward if I had the support of the principal willing to to turn his former help...'small town' sans being connected scares me & would rather cut bait vs dig'n the hole deeper. Good luck.

db@100 · 01-26-2022, 07:05 PM

Figure the value of your time plus the attorney fees.

Oleman · 01-26-2022, 07:59 PM

IMO. You should have taken care of the purchase of what is or is not included in the purchase. Why all the S*** after purchase? Be prepared to lose....

gtsticker · 01-26-2022, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Oleman

IMO. You should have taken care of the purchase of what is or is not included in the purchase. Why all the S*** after purchase? Be prepared to lose....

We did! based on the contract. Everything came with the ranch except the items excluded. That is what the contract said. I have nothing to lose. I have the ranch!

Bard · 01-26-2022, 09:16 PM

Can't squeeze blood out of a turnip. Move on, get your own stuff and start fresh.

SmTx · 01-26-2022, 09:18 PM

Where are all the KAT posts?

OP bought something and he didn't get what he paid for because someone stole it.

txtimetravler · 01-26-2022, 11:14 PM

Small town might come back to get you if you pursue. Trespassing, poaching, dumping could all take place out of Malice.

trophy8 · 01-26-2022, 11:31 PM

I assume you’ve sat down and talked to the ranch hand? That would be my first move. How’d that go?

GarGuy · 01-27-2022, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Bard

Can't squeeze blood out of a turnip. Move on, get your own stuff and start fresh.

Huh?

Stetsonoverton · 01-27-2022, 01:35 AM

Willing to bet they would put this under civil issue not theft.

warrington · 01-27-2022, 05:52 AM

Do you have pictures of everything that he took

I would file theft on everything that he took that you have pictures of

Notify him that it is being filed and the items included. If no response, proceed forward

File without an attorney. Try to mediate a actual value for the property taken

hoythunter02 · 01-27-2022, 08:31 AM

Talk to both them and let them know that wasn’t the deal, return the items or pay the price….you decide what that price will be. Congrats on your purchase.

Is there a train station around there?

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gtsticker · 01-27-2022, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by trophy8

I assume you’ve sat down and talked to the ranch hand? That would be my first move. How’d that go?

he says its his and was not part of the contract. Of course this is not what the contract said or the independent attorney.

gtsticker · 01-27-2022, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by hoythunter02

Talk to both them and let them know that wasn’t the deal, return the items or pay the price….you decide what that price will be. Congrats on your purchase.

Is there a train station around there?

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I was dang sure looking for one!! LOL

Dale Moser · 01-27-2022, 01:15 PM

Report it all stolen, and tell the sheriff where it's at.

If it's yours, it's yours, and he stole it. I'll be ****ed If I just "let it go".

bullets13 · 01-27-2022, 01:56 PM

I'd try to talk to the original principle and get an idea if any of the stuff that's missing was actually the ranch hand's.

bowhuntertex · 01-27-2022, 01:57 PM

If it is his he should be able to show bill of sale or have the title in his name. If not, he is SOL and I would file theft charges.

Tmag · 01-27-2022, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Dale Moser

Report it all stolen, and tell the sheriff where it's at.

If it's yours, it's yours, and he stole it. I'll be ****ed If I just "let it go".

This!

AntlerCollector · 01-27-2022, 03:25 PM

Call the law. Get them on your side. Maybe the guy will rethink taking those items

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Let's go Brandon! · 01-27-2022, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by gtsticker

We did! based on the contract. Everything came with the ranch except the items excluded. That is what the contract said. I have nothing to lose. I have the ranch!

Never take advice from a man with no shoulders...

Burnadell · 01-27-2022, 03:56 PM

As usual, not enough information provided to make an educated decision.

1. Did you have an attorney review the contract before signing and executing?

2. What does the seller say when you told him the guy took your stuff?

3. How did you leave it with the ranch manager when he said the items were his?

4. What does the ranch manager think about getting an arse whupping?

I certainly would not accept losing $20,000 worth of stuff if I was convinced I bought it.

squirrel · 01-27-2022, 04:12 PM

Do the cattle trailers or flatbed trailer have titles, seem like it would be pretty easy to prove ownership?

How hot is the girlfriend?

Texas452 · 01-27-2022, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Burnadell

As usual, not enough information provided to make an educated decision.

1. Did you have an attorney review the contract before signing and executing?

2. What does the seller say when you told him the guy took your stuff?

3. How did you leave it with the ranch manager when he said the items were his?

4. What does the ranch manager think about getting an arse whupping?

I certainly would not accept losing $20,000 worth of stuff if I was convinced I bought it.

Number 2 should settle this.
Number 4 will get you in trouble.
I wouldn’t accept losing $20,000
If he took it and it wasn’t his that makes him a theif.
I hate thieves.

ThisLadyHunts · 01-27-2022, 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dale Moser

Report it all stolen, and tell the sheriff where it's at.

If it's yours, it's yours, and he stole it. I'll be ****ed If I just "let it go".

Same here!

I'd pursue all avenues of legal recourse available to me, starting with a Letter of Demand requesting remuneration (as determined by you, and based on replacement cost of the items taken, not what they're currently worth) or the return of the missing items, and outlining the action(s) that will be taken if compliance is not forthcoming within a defined period of time. Be sure to include the language in the contract that defined which items did not convey with the property (items other than personal items and the squeeze chute, I believe you stated), regardless of how broad that language is.

If you're lucky, this will help resolve the problem without your having to incur much, if any, in the way of legal fees. If not, you've at least done some of the work up front by stating your position on the issue and your intent to resolve it at (almost) any means. I'd also advise taking action right away so that items don't get "damaged" or go "missing" in the meantime.

Regardless of whether you incur the wrath of the local community for what they see is an act of aggression, this situation should not go unchecked. There is a principle at hand here: "That which you allow, you encourage."

mikemorvan · 01-27-2022, 04:37 PM

Contract w/ Ruth Langmore to get your stuff back....

Burnadell · 01-27-2022, 04:52 PM

Whatever you do, SabineHunter says DONT call a lawyer. They are all crooked low life’s who will take you to the cleaners! Nobody needs lawyers!

(sarcasm)

ThisLadyHunts · 01-27-2022, 05:02 PM

Not so!

Everyone needs a good junk yard dog…one that even you are afraid to turn your back on!

hoythunter02 · 01-27-2022, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by mikemorvan

Contract w/ Ruth Langmore to get your stuff back....

Yahaha…epic bro!!!

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01-26-2022, 06:00 PM	#1
gtsticker Ten Point Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Jarrell Texas Hunt In: Stonewall County, Western Mountain States	What would you do? we purchased a ranch that is owned by a LLC with one principle. There was a ranch manager living on the ranch that was his agent but not a member of the LLC. our contract excluded a squeeze chute and personal items from in the ranch managers house. We let the ranch manager stay in house for a while while preparing the lodge. He started hauling items like cattle trailers, flatbed trailer and some small items off the ranch to another location. he advised him that all that was included in the contract but did not make a big deal about it at the time as we really did not need those items. We advised we would ned him and his girlfriend to start paying rent if they wanting to continue to stay in the house.They moved out and took everything off the ranch that was not tied down. They took three conex containers, barbecue pits, a couple freezers from the lodge ect. Now these items may have been purchased by them before we bought the property but it was not laid out in the contract that those items were to be removed. Do we file a civil suit? Do we file on them for theft? Do we just let it go and say good riddens? Whats you opinion as we are torn on what is the best thing to do in this situation. We get their belief that it is theirs but the contract states it is ours.

01-27-2022, 08:31 AM	#28
hoythunter02 Pope & Young Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Texas Hunt In: Brady, Texas	What would you do? Talk to both them and let them know that wasn’t the deal, return the items or pay the price….you decide what that price will be. Congrats on your purchase. Is there a train station around there? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Last edited by hoythunter02; 01-27-2022 at 08:34 AM.

01-27-2022, 03:25 PM	#35
AntlerCollector Pope & Young Join Date: Apr 2014 Hunt In: Votaw, Del Rio, Eldorado, Bon Wier	Call the law. Get them on your side. Maybe the guy will rethink taking those items . Last edited by AntlerCollector; 01-27-2022 at 03:29 PM.

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01-26-2022, 06:02 PM	#2
SabineHunter Pope & Young Join Date: Oct 2019	I'd file theft.

01-26-2022, 06:05 PM	#3
TKRanch Ten Point Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Back in TEXAS!!! Sandia, TX	Might let them know that if it is not returned theft charges will be filed? Maybe check with lawyer to review realities of possible success if charges are filed first?

01-26-2022, 06:08 PM	#4
db@100 Ten Point Join Date: Sep 2009	Is it worth your time and trouble? What condition was the items in?

01-26-2022, 06:11 PM	#5
GarGuy Pope & Young Join Date: Oct 2011	Was the term "personal items" defined? If not, he gonna claim that as his personal items and they may well be.

01-26-2022, 06:17 PM	#6
mikemorvan Pope & Young Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: FW Hunt In: vetements noirs	Just based on what is stated, i'd say plenty more information is needed. Just how specific was the contract on what was, and was not, included in the deal?

01-26-2022, 06:21 PM	#7
gemini2759 Ten Point Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: Port Isabel Hunt In: Jim Hogg, public land	I'd let it go. Not worth the aggravation. Sent from my moto g power (2021) using Tapatalk

01-26-2022, 06:32 PM	#9
ACbob Ten Point Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Rockport, TX Hunt In: Sabinal & Victoria Cnty	And your bigger problem may end up being getting them out of the house. Good luck with all of it, and congrats on the ranch!

01-26-2022, 06:50 PM	#15
DRT Pope & Young Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Fort Worth, Tx Hunt In: Jones County and Missouri	I'd get an attorney to contact them. Either the items returned or a $20K check. Barring that charges would be filed. Sent from my SM-G892A using Tapatalk

01-26-2022, 07:03 PM	#16
sports Eight Point Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Danbury Hunt In: Quanah	Have a real estate attorney not associated with the purchase of the ranch review your contract and go from there.

01-26-2022, 07:05 PM	#18
db@100 Ten Point Join Date: Sep 2009	Figure the value of your time plus the attorney fees.

01-26-2022, 07:59 PM	#19
Oleman Ten Point Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Burnet County Hunt In: Anywhere I can	IMO. You should have taken care of the purchase of what is or is not included in the purchase. Why all the S*** after purchase? Be prepared to lose....

01-26-2022, 09:16 PM	#21
Bard Nubbin' Buck Join Date: Feb 2021 Location: Texas	Can't squeeze blood out of a turnip. Move on, get your own stuff and start fresh.

01-26-2022, 09:18 PM	#22
SmTx Pope & Young Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: San Marcos/Hempstead Hunt In: Jim Wells	Where are all the KAT posts? OP bought something and he didn't get what he paid for because someone stole it.

01-26-2022, 11:14 PM	#23
txtimetravler Pope & Young Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Tx Hunt In: Wilco	Small town might come back to get you if you pursue. Trespassing, poaching, dumping could all take place out of Malice.

01-26-2022, 11:31 PM	#24
trophy8 Pope & Young Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Georgetown Texas	I assume you’ve sat down and talked to the ranch hand? That would be my first move. How’d that go?

01-27-2022, 01:35 AM	#26
Stetsonoverton Six Point Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: saginaw Hunt In: Motley, Kent counties & southwest OK	Willing to bet they would put this under civil issue not theft.

01-27-2022, 05:52 AM	#27
warrington Ten Point Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Heath, TX Hunt In: Abilene	Do you have pictures of everything that he took I would file theft on everything that he took that you have pictures of Notify him that it is being filed and the items included. If no response, proceed forward File without an attorney. Try to mediate a actual value for the property taken

01-27-2022, 01:15 PM	#31
Dale Moser Pope & Young Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Wise Cty Hunt In: Young Cty	Report it all stolen, and tell the sheriff where it's at. If it's yours, it's yours, and he stole it. I'll be ****ed If I just "let it go".

01-27-2022, 01:56 PM	#32
bullets13 Ten Point Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: Fannett Hunt In: Marion Co, Jefferson Co	I'd try to talk to the original principle and get an idea if any of the stuff that's missing was actually the ranch hand's.

01-27-2022, 01:57 PM	#33
bowhuntertex Pope & Young Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Wimberley Hunt In: Where ever the wind takes me......	If it is his he should be able to show bill of sale or have the title in his name. If not, he is SOL and I would file theft charges.

01-27-2022, 03:56 PM	#37
Burnadell Pope & Young Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: White Oak Hunt In: Bee County	As usual, not enough information provided to make an educated decision. 1. Did you have an attorney review the contract before signing and executing? 2. What does the seller say when you told him the guy took your stuff? 3. How did you leave it with the ranch manager when he said the items were his? 4. What does the ranch manager think about getting an arse whupping? I certainly would not accept losing $20,000 worth of stuff if I was convinced I bought it.

01-27-2022, 04:12 PM	#38
squirrel Six Point Join Date: Dec 2020	Do the cattle trailers or flatbed trailer have titles, seem like it would be pretty easy to prove ownership? How hot is the girlfriend?

01-27-2022, 04:37 PM	#41
mikemorvan Pope & Young Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: FW Hunt In: vetements noirs	Contract w/ Ruth Langmore to get your stuff back....

01-27-2022, 04:52 PM	#42
Burnadell Pope & Young Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: White Oak Hunt In: Bee County	Whatever you do, SabineHunter says DONT call a lawyer. They are all crooked low life’s who will take you to the cleaners! Nobody needs lawyers! (sarcasm)

01-27-2022, 05:02 PM	#43
ThisLadyHunts Ten Point Join Date: Mar 2020 Location: Central Texas Hunt In: Austin, Boerne, Wyoming, South America	Not so! Everyone needs a good junk yard dog…one that even you are afraid to turn your back on!