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Old 01-26-2022, 06:00 PM   #1
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we purchased a ranch that is owned by a LLC with one principle. There was a ranch manager living on the ranch that was his agent but not a member of the LLC. our contract excluded a squeeze chute and personal items from in the ranch managers house. We let the ranch manager stay in house for a while while preparing the lodge. He started hauling items like cattle trailers, flatbed trailer and some small items off the ranch to another location. he advised him that all that was included in the contract but did not make a big deal about it at the time as we really did not need those items. We advised we would ned him and his girlfriend to start paying rent if they wanting to continue to stay in the house.They moved out and took everything off the ranch that was not tied down. They took three conex containers, barbecue pits, a couple freezers from the lodge ect.
Now these items may have been purchased by them before we bought the property but it was not laid out in the contract that those items were to be removed.
Do we file a civil suit?
Do we file on them for theft?
Do we just let it go and say good riddens?
Whats you opinion as we are torn on what is the best thing to do in this situation. We get their belief that it is theirs but the contract states it is ours.
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Old 01-26-2022, 06:02 PM   #2
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I'd file theft.
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Old 01-26-2022, 06:05 PM   #3
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Might let them know that if it is not returned theft charges will be filed? Maybe check with lawyer to review realities of possible success if charges are filed first?
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Old 01-26-2022, 06:08 PM   #4
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Is it worth your time and trouble? What condition was the items in?
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Old 01-26-2022, 06:11 PM   #5
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Was the term "personal items" defined? If not, he gonna claim that as his personal items and they may well be.
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Old 01-26-2022, 06:17 PM   #6
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Just based on what is stated, i'd say plenty more information is needed. Just how specific was the contract on what was, and was not, included in the deal?
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Old 01-26-2022, 06:21 PM   #7
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I'd let it go. Not worth the aggravation.

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Old 01-26-2022, 06:25 PM   #8
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Was the term "personal items" defined? If not, he gonna claim that as his personal items and they may well be.
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Just based on what is stated, i'd say plenty more information is needed. Just how specific was the contract on what was, and was not, included in the deal?
This is basically what I was going to say but Garguy and Mike beat me to it. Also, as to whether it's worth going after or not is completely up to you. If you bought a million dollar ranch and he took a couple thousand dollars worth of items off the land then probably not worth the trouble outside of principal. Also, not sure if your issue will end up falling on the seller or the tenant depending on if there was an existing contract between seller and manager. Depending on dollar amount of the items taken it may be worth reaching out to a real estate attorney, or at least start with your realtor/broker if you used one.
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Old 01-26-2022, 06:32 PM   #9
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And your bigger problem may end up being getting them out of the house. Good luck with all of it, and congrats on the ranch!
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Old 01-26-2022, 06:39 PM   #10
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Is it worth your time and trouble? What condition was the items in?
good condition. If you include the conex containers and everything 20k plus worth of stuff.
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Old 01-26-2022, 06:41 PM   #11
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Was the term "personal items" defined? If not, he gonna claim that as his personal items and they may well be.
it said personal items in the ranch managers house. nothing about anything on the property outside the house except the one squeeze chute.
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Old 01-26-2022, 06:42 PM   #12
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And your bigger problem may end up being getting them out of the house. Good luck with all of it, and congrats on the ranch!
no their gone locks to the gate changed!
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Old 01-26-2022, 06:44 PM   #13
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Just based on what is stated, i'd say plenty more information is needed. Just how specific was the contract on what was, and was not, included in the deal?
this is part of the issue. the items specifically excluded were only the personal items in the ranch managers house and the squeeze chute. the failure was that every item on the place was not specified.
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Old 01-26-2022, 06:46 PM   #14
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This is basically what I was going to say but Garguy and Mike beat me to it. Also, as to whether it's worth going after or not is completely up to you. If you bought a million dollar ranch and he took a couple thousand dollars worth of items off the land then probably not worth the trouble outside of principal. Also, not sure if your issue will end up falling on the seller or the tenant depending on if there was an existing contract between seller and manager. Depending on dollar amount of the items taken it may be worth reaching out to a real estate attorney, or at least start with your realtor/broker if you used one.
Talked with a local attorney and he feels it is theft and we should file that. He also stated that small town LE and prosecutors may just say it is civil and we would have to go that route.
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Old 01-26-2022, 06:50 PM   #15
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I'd get an attorney to contact them. Either the items returned or a $20K check. Barring that charges would be filed.

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Old 01-26-2022, 07:03 PM   #16
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Have a real estate attorney not associated with the purchase of the ranch review your contract and go from there.
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Old 01-26-2022, 07:05 PM   #17
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Talked with a local attorney and he feels it is theft and we should file that. He also stated that small town LE and prosecutors may just say it is civil and we would have to go that route.
I'm no expert in these sorta issues, but I would likely only move forward if I had the support of the principal willing to to turn his former help...'small town' sans being connected scares me & would rather cut bait vs dig'n the hole deeper. Good luck.
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Old 01-26-2022, 07:05 PM   #18
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Figure the value of your time plus the attorney fees.
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Old 01-26-2022, 07:59 PM   #19
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IMO. You should have taken care of the purchase of what is or is not included in the purchase. Why all the S*** after purchase? Be prepared to lose....
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Old 01-26-2022, 08:59 PM   #20
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IMO. You should have taken care of the purchase of what is or is not included in the purchase. Why all the S*** after purchase? Be prepared to lose....
We did! based on the contract. Everything came with the ranch except the items excluded. That is what the contract said. I have nothing to lose. I have the ranch!
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Old 01-26-2022, 09:16 PM   #21
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Can't squeeze blood out of a turnip. Move on, get your own stuff and start fresh.
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Old 01-26-2022, 09:18 PM   #22
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Where are all the KAT posts?

OP bought something and he didn't get what he paid for because someone stole it.
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Old 01-26-2022, 11:14 PM   #23
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Small town might come back to get you if you pursue. Trespassing, poaching, dumping could all take place out of Malice.
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Old 01-26-2022, 11:31 PM   #24
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I assume you’ve sat down and talked to the ranch hand? That would be my first move. How’d that go?
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Old 01-27-2022, 12:01 AM   #25
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Can't squeeze blood out of a turnip. Move on, get your own stuff and start fresh.
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Old 01-27-2022, 01:35 AM   #26
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Willing to bet they would put this under civil issue not theft.
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Old 01-27-2022, 05:52 AM   #27
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Do you have pictures of everything that he took

I would file theft on everything that he took that you have pictures of

Notify him that it is being filed and the items included. If no response, proceed forward

File without an attorney. Try to mediate a actual value for the property taken
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Old 01-27-2022, 08:31 AM   #28
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Talk to both them and let them know that wasn’t the deal, return the items or pay the price….you decide what that price will be. Congrats on your purchase.

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Old 01-27-2022, 01:12 PM   #29
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I assume you’ve sat down and talked to the ranch hand? That would be my first move. How’d that go?
he says its his and was not part of the contract. Of course this is not what the contract said or the independent attorney.
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Old 01-27-2022, 01:13 PM   #30
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Talk to both them and let them know that wasn’t the deal, return the items or pay the price….you decide what that price will be. Congrats on your purchase.

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Old 01-27-2022, 01:15 PM   #31
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Report it all stolen, and tell the sheriff where it's at.

If it's yours, it's yours, and he stole it. I'll be ****ed If I just "let it go".
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Old 01-27-2022, 01:56 PM   #32
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I'd try to talk to the original principle and get an idea if any of the stuff that's missing was actually the ranch hand's.
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Old 01-27-2022, 01:57 PM   #33
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If it is his he should be able to show bill of sale or have the title in his name. If not, he is SOL and I would file theft charges.
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Old 01-27-2022, 03:16 PM   #34
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Report it all stolen, and tell the sheriff where it's at.

If it's yours, it's yours, and he stole it. I'll be ****ed If I just "let it go".
This!
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Old 01-27-2022, 03:25 PM   #35
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Call the law. Get them on your side. Maybe the guy will rethink taking those items

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Old 01-27-2022, 03:30 PM   #36
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We did! based on the contract. Everything came with the ranch except the items excluded. That is what the contract said. I have nothing to lose. I have the ranch!
Never take advice from a man with no shoulders...
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Old 01-27-2022, 03:56 PM   #37
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As usual, not enough information provided to make an educated decision.

1. Did you have an attorney review the contract before signing and executing?

2. What does the seller say when you told him the guy took your stuff?

3. How did you leave it with the ranch manager when he said the items were his?

4. What does the ranch manager think about getting an arse whupping?

I certainly would not accept losing $20,000 worth of stuff if I was convinced I bought it.
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Old 01-27-2022, 04:12 PM   #38
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Do the cattle trailers or flatbed trailer have titles, seem like it would be pretty easy to prove ownership?

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Old 01-27-2022, 04:13 PM   #39
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As usual, not enough information provided to make an educated decision.

1. Did you have an attorney review the contract before signing and executing?

2. What does the seller say when you told him the guy took your stuff?

3. How did you leave it with the ranch manager when he said the items were his?

4. What does the ranch manager think about getting an arse whupping?

I certainly would not accept losing $20,000 worth of stuff if I was convinced I bought it.
Number 2 should settle this.
Number 4 will get you in trouble.
I wouldn’t accept losing $20,000
If he took it and it wasn’t his that makes him a theif.
I hate thieves.
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Old 01-27-2022, 04:26 PM   #40
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Report it all stolen, and tell the sheriff where it's at.

If it's yours, it's yours, and he stole it. I'll be ****ed If I just "let it go".
Same here!

I'd pursue all avenues of legal recourse available to me, starting with a Letter of Demand requesting remuneration (as determined by you, and based on replacement cost of the items taken, not what they're currently worth) or the return of the missing items, and outlining the action(s) that will be taken if compliance is not forthcoming within a defined period of time. Be sure to include the language in the contract that defined which items did not convey with the property (items other than personal items and the squeeze chute, I believe you stated), regardless of how broad that language is.

If you're lucky, this will help resolve the problem without your having to incur much, if any, in the way of legal fees. If not, you've at least done some of the work up front by stating your position on the issue and your intent to resolve it at (almost) any means. I'd also advise taking action right away so that items don't get "damaged" or go "missing" in the meantime.

Regardless of whether you incur the wrath of the local community for what they see is an act of aggression, this situation should not go unchecked. There is a principle at hand here: "That which you allow, you encourage."
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Old 01-27-2022, 04:37 PM   #41
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Contract w/ Ruth Langmore to get your stuff back....
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Old 01-27-2022, 04:52 PM   #42
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Whatever you do, SabineHunter says DONT call a lawyer. They are all crooked low life’s who will take you to the cleaners! Nobody needs lawyers!


















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Old 01-27-2022, 05:02 PM   #43
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Not so!

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Old 01-27-2022, 07:34 PM   #44
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