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Old 10-12-2019, 06:02 PM   #1
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Default 1.5 yr old nubbin buck.

If you have several 1.5 yo 4-6 pointers, would you let a 1.5 yo nubbin buck walk? He doesnít even break the skin so it would be a anterless tag. We arenít shooting does.


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Old 10-12-2019, 06:06 PM   #2
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No...you would never know his potential then...imo
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Old 10-12-2019, 06:09 PM   #3
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True and I understand. But Iím sitting here watching 3 other bucks the same age, 2 4 pointers and a 6. So heís way behind already. lol. He got ran off so it may be a mute point. Lol


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Old 10-12-2019, 06:09 PM   #4
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Old 10-12-2019, 06:10 PM   #5
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Sure he is 1.5 and not 6 months old? I have a nubbin that’s 6months old and already the size of his momma.
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Old 10-12-2019, 06:11 PM   #6
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Yes let him walk
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Old 10-12-2019, 06:11 PM   #7
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Sure he is 1.5 and not 6 months old? I have a nubbin thatís 6months old and already the size of his momma.


Iím pretty sure. I guess he could of been a early fawn but really donít think so.


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Old 10-12-2019, 06:13 PM   #8
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Default 1.5 yr old nubbin buck.

Ok yíall convinced me. He will live out the dream of eating my protein and corn for the next 5 years and then Iíll shoot him as a cull. Lol. Just kidding. Yíall did convince me. Probably just wanted to use a anterless tag since we donít shoot does. Figured Iíd found a loop hole.


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Old 10-12-2019, 09:37 PM   #9
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Ok yíall convinced me. He will live out the dream of eating my protein and corn for the next 5 years and then Iíll shoot him as a cull. Lol. Just kidding. Yíall did convince me. Probably just wanted to use a anterless tag since we donít shoot does. Figured Iíd found a loop hole.


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Why don't you shoot does?
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Old 10-13-2019, 06:37 AM   #10
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Why don't you shoot does?


We donít have that many for some reason. On average I see 15-25 bucks at my feeder with 4-5 does. Itís crazy. And with only 2 buck tags it dam near impossible to change it.


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Old 10-13-2019, 06:49 AM   #11
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I would let him walk. I don’t shoot anything that is less than 2.5.
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Old 10-13-2019, 06:52 AM   #12
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We don’t have that many for some reason. On average I see 15-25 bucks at my feeder with 4-5 does. It’s crazy. And with only 2 buck tags it dam near impossible to change it.


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If you can legally shoot it, aren't braking the lease agreement and want some meat paint the arrow red!!

On the other point, balancing the buck to doe ratio. If you need some deer removed to balance the the ratio find some young peeps and introduce them to hunting. Win, win all the way around.
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Old 10-13-2019, 06:57 AM   #13
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If you can legally shoot it, aren't braking the lease agreement and want some meat paint the arrow red!!



On the other point, balancing the buck to doe ratio. If you need some deer removed to balance the the ratio find some young peeps and introduce them to hunting.


Would love too. Lease rules prevent it. Meat wasnít the reason. Just looking to reduce the buck numbers. If you have 4 bucks all the same age, 3 with 4 points or more why feed the one that hasnít even broken the skin. Sure he ď could ď be something but chances are the other 3 will be better. In my through process. But this is only my 3rd yr into ever having a place where only seeing 10 bucks is a slow day.


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Old 10-13-2019, 07:04 AM   #14
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Would love too. Lease rules prevent it. Meat wasnít the reason. Just looking to reduce the buck numbers. If you have 4 bucks all the same age, 3 with 4 points or more why feed the one that hasnít even broken the skin. Sure he ď could ď be something but chances are the other 3 will be better. In my through process. But this is only my 3rd yr into ever having a place where only seeing 10 bucks is a slow day.


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Totally understand about the lease agreement and that's probably why I will never be on a lease. I get that its about management but what about having a better buck to doe ratio??
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Old 10-13-2019, 07:04 AM   #15
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I am at the other end of the fight. After what you have said I would have shot it. The area needs to bring down the buck population in a big way for the next 5 or so years.
You might want to find another place to hunt.
Where I hunt we are discussing mature 8 pointers verses teen 10 pointers...............
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Old 10-13-2019, 12:29 PM   #16
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We donít have that many for some reason. On average I see 15-25 bucks at my feeder with 4-5 does. Itís crazy. And with only 2 buck tags it dam near impossible to change it.


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I would pee my pants if I saw that many bucks at my feeder. Definitely need to get the ratios in order. Sounds like you need some more shooters to take out some culls.
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Old 10-13-2019, 04:39 PM   #17
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Is this place high fenced? I would think that bucks would travel away in search of more does if competition is that high. Sounds like 3 bucks for every doe, really unusual. If the bucks are a lot of 1.5 year olds, a lot of those will wander off anyway. There was study posted not long ago talking about this
https://www.qdma.com/yearling-buck-d...fast-how-many/

Maybe a lot of those young bucks you described will be leaving this fall
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Old 10-13-2019, 06:15 PM   #18
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Old 10-13-2019, 09:30 PM   #19
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Sounds to me like y'all need to shoot more bucks to get that ratio in check. May sound great with all those bucks, but I don't think that's helping your herd improve across the board. Do the bucks mostly leave during the rut to find more does on adjacent properties? Sounds like a heckuva place to call and rattle with all the buck competition!
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Old 10-13-2019, 09:36 PM   #20
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If the horns aren't breaking the skin he is not a year and half yr old. 6 month old fawn. Don't shoot a yearling buck.
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Old 10-13-2019, 10:21 PM   #21
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If you have a bunch of bucks they may just be keeping your does off the feeders. Set up a camera on some hand corn and I bet you see more does.

And I wouldnít shoot a 1 year old buck. Shoot some mature bucks if you want to cut numbers


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Old 10-14-2019, 07:00 AM   #22
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If the horns aren't breaking the skin he is not a year and half yr old. 6 month old fawn. Don't shoot a yearling buck.
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Old 10-14-2019, 07:02 AM   #23
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We donít have that many for some reason. On average I see 15-25 bucks at my feeder with 4-5 does. Itís crazy. And with only 2 buck tags it dam near impossible to change it.


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I am willing to waive my normal fee and help you with your bucks for free.
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Old 10-14-2019, 07:27 AM   #24
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We donít have that many for some reason. On average I see 15-25 bucks at my feeder with 4-5 does. Itís crazy. And with only 2 buck tags it dam near impossible to change it.


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What do think makes all the bucks?
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Old 10-14-2019, 07:28 AM   #25
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What do think makes all the bucks?


I didnít say we didnít have any


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Old 10-14-2019, 07:38 AM   #26
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Could end up being a .... 30rd point buck!
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Old 10-14-2019, 11:23 AM   #27
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We donít have that many for some reason. On average I see 15-25 bucks at my feeder with 4-5 does. Itís crazy. And with only 2 buck tags it dam near impossible to change it.


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Bucks and/or hunting pressure may be keeping does off corn. I'd set some camera's up on well used trails away from feeders or near water and see what you are looking at.
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Old 10-14-2019, 01:23 PM   #28
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he's probably a late yearling. Rule of thumb should be NEVER shoot a below 3 yr old buck for any reason. You basically have no idea what they become. It's been studied extensively by A&M & the king ranch among other places including general rule for QDM. You should definitely read about it. Think the study was spike buck culling or something like that if you google it. It means absolutely nothing that his peers are 4 points.

Also if you are low fence culling does absolutely nothing and there is even less reason to cull at such a young age.

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Old 10-14-2019, 01:35 PM   #29
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Some biological facts to consider...

At 1.5 years, a buck should make enough testosterone to shed velvet. If you're seeing a nubbin' buck with no hardened antler, then very high odds it's only 6 months old. If he's near equal body size to bucks with hard antler, then nubbin' is likely one of the biggest fawns of the year.

Bucks dominate feeders, so that makes feeders a bad location for collecting herd composition data.

Don't use sex ratio to develop harvest goals. Doe harvest goals should be guided by the degree of foraging pressure on top quality browse plants. Buck harvest goals should be guided by targeting only mature bucks. The end result of these 2 goals will be a sex ratio of around 1 buck:1.5 doe to 1 buck:3 doe, depending on doe harvest need, which is a suitable range to ensure reproduction. The only time sex ratio becomes a guiding factor is when it becomes heavily skewed toward the doe, and the appropriate response is not to kill more doe, but rather, to stop shooting so many bucks. Sex ratio can be important anecdotally, where if I were looking for a lease, 1:1 would be inviting, but 1:6 I'd keep looking. Point being, the closer the sex ratio then the higher probability of older age bucks in the herd, thus larger antlered bucks. Finally, the only populations, on an appropriate geographical scale, that I know of in Texas that have more bucks than doe occur exclusively on high fence properties.
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If you have a bunch of bucks they may just be keeping your does off the feeders. Set up a camera on some hand corn and I bet you see more does.

And I wouldnít shoot a 1 year old buck. Shoot some mature bucks if you want to cut numbers


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Old 10-14-2019, 02:19 PM   #31
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Absolutely not. There isn't enough meat on him to even say you are hunting for meat.
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Old 10-14-2019, 07:16 PM   #32
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What do think makes all the bucks?
Other bucks?
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