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    #16
    Interesting article and has some validity. I think (for now) it is more of the "moderation/centrist/purple" that suburbanites support is taking root. The Blue (far left) has lost their ever-loving minds to socialist dogma and have zero idea what that means to the fabric of the country, nor their own standard of living.
    From the opposite direction, the far right has hijacked the party of Reagan. As clearly noted by Republican strategists, he could not even win in the party today if he was living. The level of discourse is obvious and lots of groups on both sides have summoned this as an opportunity to trash the nation with rhetoric and shameful public displays. It appears cooler heads are finally taking a stand which seems to be the LARGEST group of Americans, which is in the center of those trashy extremes. The pendulum always swings back to the center sooner or later.

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      #17
      Originally posted by Vermin93 View Post
      ^^^ Textbook example of the psychological observations discussed in the article below ^^^

      It's a fascinating article that explains several observable patterns in the P/CE forum.

      Why Are Conservatives More Susceptible to Believing Lies?
      An interplay between how all humans think and how conservatives tend to act might actually explain a lot about our current moment.


      https://slate.com/technology/2017/11...g-in-lies.html
      really.....

      "More convictions out of Texas may be on the way. The Justice Department recently indicted a Salvadoran national whom it alleges entered the United States illegally, falsified his identity, and wrongfully voted in the 2016 election despite being a noncitizen."


      Recent voter fraud cases show the growing importance of upholding election integrity. Last year, Cassandra Amber Marie Ritter was convicted of heroin distribution in Winchester, Virginia. Two weeks later, Ritter voted at a local fire department even though she knew she had lost her right to vote as a consequence of her conviction. She received a two-year suspended sentence. In Texas, Crystal Mason recently received a five-year sentence for illegally voting in the 2016 presidential election.


      another person just got caught in west texas falsifying absentee ballots of the elderly to all vote dem.. Voter fraud is very true. In 2016, I voted straight ticket, when I reviewed it, my vote fore Trum/Pence was not checked.. did it 3 times before filling out a paper ballot. Maybe a glitch, but I vote in a highly socialist district

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        #18
        Originally posted by AZST_bowhunter View Post
        really.....

        "More convictions out of Texas may be on the way. The Justice Department recently indicted a Salvadoran national whom it alleges entered the United States illegally, falsified his identity, and wrongfully voted in the 2016 election despite being a noncitizen."


        Recent voter fraud cases show the growing importance of upholding election integrity. Last year, Cassandra Amber Marie Ritter was convicted of heroin distribution in Winchester, Virginia. Two weeks later, Ritter voted at a local fire department even though she knew she had lost her right to vote as a consequence of her conviction. She received a two-year suspended sentence. In Texas, Crystal Mason recently received a five-year sentence for illegally voting in the 2016 presidential election.


        another person just got caught in west texas falsifying absentee ballots of the elderly to all vote dem.. Voter fraud is very true. In 2016, I voted straight ticket, when I reviewed it, my vote fore Trum/Pence was not checked.. did it 3 times before filling out a paper ballot. Maybe a glitch, but I vote in a highly socialist district
        So I went through the heritage foundation's database on voter fraud. It has 1177 instances of proven fraud, covering 47 states, over the past 10+ years. That's 2.5 instances of voter fraud per state per year. Now if we assume this is just the tip of the iceberg, as is often claimed, and there's 1000 times more instances of voter fraud that haven't been caught. So now we're up to 2500 instances of voter fraud per state per year. Were any state-wide elections that close?

        I support laws that reduce instances of voter fraud (like voter ID), but the heritage foundation's own database kind of undermines the notion of widespread voter fraud.

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          #19
          I don't hold out a lot of hope for our state or the country.

          That anyone could have actually voted for Beto blows my mind.

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            #20
            Originally posted by sir shovelhands View Post
            So I went through the heritage foundation's database on voter fraud. It has 1177 instances of proven fraud, covering 47 states, over the past 10+ years. That's 2.5 instances of voter fraud per state per year. Now if we assume this is just the tip of the iceberg, as is often claimed, and there's 1000 times more instances of voter fraud that haven't been caught. So now we're up to 2500 instances of voter fraud per state per year. Were any state-wide elections that close?

            I support laws that reduce instances of voter fraud (like voter ID), but the heritage foundation's own database kind of undermines the notion of widespread voter fraud.
            The same data you referenced was used on a panel after the last presidential election. All participants agreed that it does exist but the number was so insignificant it would not affect any statewide or national elections. 4 of the 5 agreed with you and I that government issued ID's are mandatory to vote in any election on US soil. Should we monitor voting even closer based on some citizen concerns...…….ABSOULUTELY!!! Is there some huge rash of voter fraud (voter dumps) happening across the nation...…..NOPE. The current data does not support any evidence that our system is irrevocably in distress at this point in history.

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              #21
              Originally posted by Buff View Post
              I don't hold out a lot of hope for our state or the country.

              That anyone could have actually voted for Beto blows my mind.
              Yep. What's crazy is we have several here on the GS and some on this thread I'm sure. Bout like voting for Mickey mouse...oh wait we have those to on TBH

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                #22
                How do you measure voter fraud that goes undetected?

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                  #23
                  Originally posted by Landrover View Post
                  The same data you referenced was used on a panel after the last presidential election. All participants agreed that it does exist but the number was so insignificant it would not affect any statewide or national elections. 4 of the 5 agreed with you and I that government issued ID's are mandatory to vote in any election on US soil. Should we monitor voting even closer based on some citizen concerns...…….ABSOULUTELY!!! Is there some huge rash of voter fraud (voter dumps) happening across the nation...…..NOPE. The current data does not support any evidence that our system is irrevocably in distress at this point in history.
                  Each instance of fraud could have involved hundreds of thousands of votes and could have made a major difference. It was just shown with 2 governor's and a congressman's race.

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                    #24
                    This is easy math. Look at the demographics of all the schools in the innner cities and suburban areas. The change in the suburban areas especially have changed dramatically in the last two decades. They are a majority Hispanic now.

                    Did we have a major influx of Hispanics moving to Texas from other states? No

                    The changed happened from illegal immigration.

                    Is this because of Obama? No

                    This is with GW Bush as Governor then President and Rick Perry as Governor.

                    The young demographic has not completely hit the voting rolls yet. But when they do the Beto’s will be governing out state at all levels.

                    The irony is that because of Republicans allowing illegal immigration to occur in our state they will lose control while the Democrats take credit with the voting at the ballot box.

                    Even Perry’s big heart for free state tuition for illegal aliens has been forgotten.

                    You can’t overcome the math.

                    If the new voting block goes Democrat the state flips easily.

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                      #25
                      The more I see the rise of liberalism the more I am buying in to the idea of an electoral college for state elections- idea floated by Andrew Wilkow. Big city liberals are getting folks elected and rural folks are being ignored.

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                        #26
                        Originally posted by Russ79 View Post
                        The more I see the rise of liberalism the more I am buying in to the idea of an electoral college for state elections- idea floated by Andrew Wilkow. Big city liberals are getting folks elected and rural folks are being ignored.
                        Yep. Love Wilkow by the way!

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                          #27
                          Originally posted by Draco View Post
                          Each instance of fraud could have involved hundreds of thousands of votes and could have made a major difference. It was just shown with 2 governor's and a congressman's race.
                          Got a link?

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                            #28
                            Originally posted by Russ79 View Post
                            The more I see the rise of liberalism the more I am buying in to the idea of an electoral college for state elections- idea floated by Andrew Wilkow. Big city liberals are getting folks elected and rural folks are being ignored.
                            80% of the population in the US is urban. What makes you think an electoral college for states would benefit rural folk? It very likely would make it worse for them.

                            Additionally, the whole purpose of the electoral college was centered around balancing the power between states with large populations, and states with small populations. It doesn't make sense to apply it at a local level since state districts have relatively equivalent populations.

                            Edit: unless you mean apply electoral votes by county, then that would massively disenfranchise those in urban areas.
                            Last edited by sir shovelhands; 11-22-2018, 02:05 PM.

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                              #29
                              Originally posted by sir shovelhands View Post
                              Got a link?
                              Uuuuuh, Florida and Georgia.

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                                #30
                                Trump has added the question "Are you an American Citizen?" to the 2019/20 census. Those that are not citizens will no longer be included in congressional districting counts. This will move more districts to rural areas giving the State a better shot at staying red.

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