Reply
Go Back   TexasBowhunter.com Community Discussion Forums > Topics > Around the Campfire
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 01-23-2021, 08:25 PM   #1
kevin nicholls
Ten Point
 
kevin nicholls's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: pasadena tx
Hunt In: Who knows
Default Ethanol free gas going bad?

Sad day, I went to the lease to start getting my stuff out of there. I'm not re-upping after 6 years, just going another direction. My four wheeler didn't want to run right. I only buy gas at Buc-ees and only ethanol free. I put this gas in it in July or so. Long story short I drained it and put in fresh gas and it's running fine now. I guess I need stabilizer in ethanol free gas too. Anybody else have this happen? Thanks, Kevin.
kevin nicholls is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 01-23-2021, 08:30 PM   #2
sasqy
Ten Point
 
sasqy's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2015
Location: Salt Creek
Hunt In: my sasquatch suit
Default

I haven’t had any problems after sitting for 10 months.
I buy ethanol free at Walmart.
Wonder if they mixed up the tanks?
Got diesel from a gas pump once
sasqy is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 01-23-2021, 08:30 PM   #3
cva34
Ten Point
 
cva34's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2016
Location: van vleck
Hunt In: LOOKING
Default

Had not had any problems since I started using (E free...and i only buy from the BUC...But I am sure all gas goes downhill with time...

Mine y problem with u lead with ethonol was it ate o rings/ gaskets /hoses/ and created Snot in bowel of some carbs...+absorbed water

Last edited by cva34; 01-23-2021 at 08:47 PM.
cva34 is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 01-23-2021, 08:31 PM   #4
Bayouboy
Pope & Young
 
Bayouboy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: League City
Hunt In: East Texas
Default

Why would ethanol free not go bad?
Bayouboy is online now   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 01-23-2021, 08:35 PM   #5
kevin nicholls
Ten Point
 
kevin nicholls's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: pasadena tx
Hunt In: Who knows
Default

It doesn't absorb water without ethanol. It was only 7 or 8 months old. Before ethanol gas would last for years in can in the garage. I've never had it go bad like that, I could be wrong.
kevin nicholls is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 01-23-2021, 08:39 PM   #6
Killer
Ten Point
 
Killer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Powderly, TX
Hunt In: God's green earth
Default

Stabil is your friend. You don’t even have to buy E free that way!
Killer is online now   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 01-23-2021, 08:43 PM   #7
LFD2037
Pope & Young
 
LFD2037's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Hunt In: Over yonder
Default

Back before ethanol gas, it wouldn’t last a year before it changed colors and loss some strength to its odor. It only got weaker from then on out. All gas goes bad.
LFD2037 is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 01-23-2021, 08:49 PM   #8
Electrican
Pope & Young
 
Electrican's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Burleson TX
Hunt In: For a place
Default

Condensation in the tank is probably the culprit
Electrican is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 01-23-2021, 09:47 PM   #9
Oleman
Ten Point
 
Oleman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Burnet County
Hunt In: Anywhere I can
Default

Read your manual and follow the advice. If it says regular, use it. Drain the tank if its going to sit awhile or add the right additive if its
going to>>.

Last edited by Oleman; 01-23-2021 at 09:48 PM. Reason: mistake
Oleman is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 01-23-2021, 10:36 PM   #10
sailor
Pope & Young
 
sailor's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Texas
Hunt In: Texas
Default

all gas goes bad, even treated....................
sailor is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 01-23-2021, 10:50 PM   #11
RR 314
Pope & Young
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Default

Went to start power washer today. Only use ethanol free in it after replacing carb last year. Ran it dry in October and stored without seafoam etc. Put fresh ethanol free gas in yesterday and nothing. Took the bowl off and varnish/gunk everywhere. Cleaned it and wired out and fired right up. Seafoam next time. Oooof.
RR 314 is online now   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 01-23-2021, 11:00 PM   #12
skiguy327
Six Point
 
Join Date: Aug 2016
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by RR 314 View Post
Went to start power washer today. Only use ethanol free in it after replacing carb last year. Ran it dry in October and stored without seafoam etc. Put fresh ethanol free gas in yesterday and nothing. Took the bowl off and varnish/gunk everywhere. Cleaned it and wired out and fired right up. Seafoam next time. Oooof.

Still need to use Stabil. For all my power equipment I use ethanol free gas and just add stabil when filling my gas cans. All my equipment ends up unused at one point or another during the year and stabilizing the gas is absolutely necessary even if you run the carb dry. I have a Stihl blower thatís been running for 11 years with no issues.


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
skiguy327 is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 01-23-2021, 11:11 PM   #13
LFD2037
Pope & Young
 
LFD2037's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Hunt In: Over yonder
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by skiguy327 View Post
Still need to use Stabil. For all my power equipment I use ethanol free gas and just add stabil when filling my gas cans. All my equipment ends up unused at one point or another during the year and stabilizing the gas is absolutely necessary even if you run the carb dry. I have a Stihl blower thatís been running for 11 years with no issues.


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
Best advice here. Put it in your gas can when you fill it.
LFD2037 is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 01-23-2021, 11:16 PM   #14
bossbowman
Ten Point
 
bossbowman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Hunt In: Bosque Brown Freestone Hill Navarro Counties
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bayouboy View Post
Why would ethanol free not go bad?
This, gas with ethanol is the one that goes bad first
bossbowman is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 01-24-2021, 04:14 AM   #15
Bayouboy
Pope & Young
 
Bayouboy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: League City
Hunt In: East Texas
Default

Folks... gas has water and many other impurities. Ethanol or not. And, goes bad.
Bayouboy is online now   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 01-24-2021, 05:02 AM   #16
Swampa
Pope & Young
 
Swampa's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Tomball
Hunt In: Coleman
Default

I put Stabil in all my gas tools. Cheap insurance


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Swampa is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 01-24-2021, 08:18 AM   #17
SJP51
Four Point
 
SJP51's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2021
Location: Nacogdoches
Hunt In: Menard, Nacogdoches, Bryan
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Swampa View Post
I put Stabil in all my gas tools. Cheap insurance


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
If the gas goes into anything buy my truck, it gets Stabil added to it at the 2-year dose.
SJP51 is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 01-24-2021, 08:37 AM   #18
Tbar
Ten Point
 
Tbar's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Texas
Default

I have been using Truefuel in my chain saw for quite a while now. Went to use it the other day and grabbed the TF can and it was marked May 2013(I wrote on the can when I purchased it). It is advertised to be good for 1 year....still good after 7.
Tbar is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 01-24-2021, 08:38 AM   #19
SaintBlaise
Eight Point
 
SaintBlaise's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: New Orleans
Hunt In: Rocksprings, TX
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by RR 314 View Post
Went to start power washer today. Only use ethanol free in it after replacing carb last year. Ran it dry in October and stored without seafoam etc. Put fresh ethanol free gas in yesterday and nothing. Took the bowl off and varnish/gunk everywhere. Cleaned it and wired out and fired right up. Seafoam next time. Oooof.
For the Seafoam, could you mix in your gas can with the Stabil?
SaintBlaise is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 01-24-2021, 09:55 AM   #20
Jon B
Ten Point
 
Jon B's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2018
Location: Central Tx.
Hunt In: Central Tx and the Western States
Default

I have always used truefuel in my cabin saw. I bet that $150 Ryobi would start right up right now. Saved all of my 2 cycle stuff.
Jon B is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 01-24-2021, 10:00 AM   #21
brrdnk
Pope & Young
 
brrdnk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Weatherford
Hunt In: Coleman,TX,Thurber & The "H" Some Years
Default

Yep the sea foam works great. Always put some in the tank of whatever I am using. It will clean it out and stabilize the fuel. I am a believer.
brrdnk is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 01-24-2021, 10:03 AM   #22
RifleBowPistol
Ten Point
 
RifleBowPistol's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2017
Default

Yes, all gas will go bad, it's not just the ethanol that will cause the fuel to deteriorate over time, there are other chemicals in the fuel that will cause it to go bad. I have had race fuel in tanks go bad on me, there is no ethanol in there and it is high quality fuel.

Fuel with any amount of ethanol in it, will test bad in something like 14 days after it's put in the tank, at the gas station, not 14 days after you buy it. If it's yellow, it's bad, your vehicle may still run on it and you may not notice a problem, but it will test bad, if it's yellow. If you are running a high hp engine and try to run it hard, let's say normally the engine runs fine on a given fuel, once it goes bad, at that point, you will start to notice the engine does not run like it does on fuel that will test good. That's when it's only maybe a month old, a car that really needs good fuel to run WOT, will run poorly. But the same fuel in a low hp engine driving around normal, you most likely won't notice anything different. Give that same fuel another couple months and even a low hp engine won't run properly.

Last edited by RifleBowPistol; 01-24-2021 at 10:10 AM.
RifleBowPistol is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 01-24-2021, 06:54 PM   #23
Creedmore
Eight Point
 
Creedmore's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Cedar Hill
Hunt In: Carta Valley/Loma Alta
Default

All gas goes bad and will accumulate water over time.

We run ethanol free in our generators, 4wheelers, chain saws, mowers, etc.

AND, it is always treated with SeaFoam. Not a lick of trouble in the past 15 years.
Creedmore is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 01-24-2021, 07:21 PM   #24
pilar
Pope & Young
 
pilar's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2017
Location: Sisterdale
Hunt In: Sisterdale and el dorado , Jeff Davis, refugio/sinton , San perlita
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Creedmore View Post
All gas goes bad and will accumulate water over time.

We run ethanol free in our generators, 4wheelers, chain saws, mowers, etc.

AND, it is always treated with SeaFoam. Not a lick of trouble in the past 15 years.
^^^^^
I stored some aviation gas in the barn thinking it wonít go bad
A hunter ran out of gas in his mule and I gave him 5 gallon can of
It , mule ran but very poorly, mechanics said bad gasoline, donít know if he had sludge in the bottom of the tank or the av gas went kaput?
Ethanol gas ruined my offshore boats fuel lines and gaskets
Very expensive lesson
pilar is online now   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 01-24-2021, 08:29 PM   #25
manwitaplan
Pope & Young
 
manwitaplan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Friendswood
Hunt In: Texas
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Creedmore View Post
All gas goes bad and will accumulate water over time.

We run ethanol free in our generators, 4wheelers, chain saws, mowers, etc.

AND, it is always treated with SeaFoam. Not a lick of trouble in the past 15 years.

No stabil just seafoam? How much per gallon?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
manwitaplan is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 01-24-2021, 08:39 PM   #26
RascalArms
Pope & Young
 
RascalArms's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Oak Ridge, TX
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by pilar View Post
^^^^^
I stored some aviation gas in the barn thinking it wonít go bad
A hunter ran out of gas in his mule and I gave him 5 gallon can of
It , mule ran but very poorly, mechanics said bad gasoline, donít know if he had sludge in the bottom of the tank or the av gas went kaput?
Ethanol gas ruined my offshore boats fuel lines and gaskets
Very expensive lesson
Ethanol has put many a mechanicís kids through college thatís for sure. 😕
RascalArms is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 01-24-2021, 08:59 PM   #27
kevin nicholls
Ten Point
 
kevin nicholls's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: pasadena tx
Hunt In: Who knows
Default

Well all I know is I've not had any problems since I started using ethanol free gas. No one made stabilizer before they put ethanol in gas, it would sit for a long period of time before it would start going bad. The gas in question was only 6-7 months old and was e-free. Even with ethanol it should have been fine after that period of time. I guess I got a bad batch or something. Thanks for all the help.
kevin nicholls is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 01-25-2021, 09:42 AM   #28
Creedmore
Eight Point
 
Creedmore's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Cedar Hill
Hunt In: Carta Valley/Loma Alta
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by manwitaplan View Post
No stabil just seafoam? How much per gallon?
Correct. 1oz per gallon. Works like a charm.
Creedmore is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 01-25-2021, 09:47 AM   #29
muzzlebrake
Pope & Young
 
muzzlebrake's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Euless, Texas
Hunt In: Sterling County
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Electrican View Post
Condensation in the tank is probably the culprit
bingo
muzzlebrake is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 01-25-2021, 09:51 AM   #30
Hart8
Pope & Young
 
Hart8's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Waxahachie,Tx
Hunt In: concho co. tx
Default

Big temperature swings will cause condensation.If it hasn't been run in a long time,the fuel will lose its flammability.
Hart8 is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 01-25-2021, 09:55 AM   #31
muzzlebrake
Pope & Young
 
muzzlebrake's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Euless, Texas
Hunt In: Sterling County
Default

Phase separation is a common problem with ethanol fuels. The more ethanol content the worse the problem can be. All ethanol has water in it and phase separation is when the water migrates out of the alcohol and settles in the bottom of the tank. There it is picked up in concentration by the fuel system and you have big globs of water going directly into the carb bowl or thru the fuel injectors. Neither one like that.
Pure gas can also go bad and varnish and other stuff can migrate out of solution. Pure gas won't smell like gas anymore. More like paint varnish.

When gas won't pass the sniff test, don't try to run the engine until it's drained and fresh fuel added.
muzzlebrake is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 01-25-2021, 10:41 AM   #32
Jet Black
Ten Point
 
Jet Black's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Katy, TX
Hunt In: n/a
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by kevin nicholls View Post
Sad day, I went to the lease to start getting my stuff out of there. I'm not re-upping after 6 years, just going another direction. My four wheeler didn't want to run right. I only buy gas at Buc-ees and only ethanol free. I put this gas in it in July or so. Long story short I drained it and put in fresh gas and it's running fine now. I guess I need stabilizer in ethanol free gas too. Anybody else have this happen? Thanks, Kevin.
could just be a gas seasonality issue. using summer gas in the winter could result in it not starting or running hard due to the cold making it harder to ignite.
Jet Black is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 01-25-2021, 02:44 PM   #33
TazerFace
Nubbin' Buck
 
TazerFace's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2020
Location: Texas
Hunt In: Hill Country
Default

So I run the QuickTrip Ethanol free gas, its not only ethanol free but its 90 octane. I've always been in the habit of adding stabilizer to my fuel.
TazerFace is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 01-25-2021, 05:42 PM   #34
manwitaplan
Pope & Young
 
manwitaplan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Friendswood
Hunt In: Texas
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Creedmore View Post
Correct. 1oz per gallon. Works like a charm.

Thank you.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
manwitaplan is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 01-25-2021, 05:46 PM   #35
Hardware
Ten Point
 
Hardware's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Brazoria County
Hunt In: Texas, Western US & Argentina
Default

Cause they no longer use MTBE in gas it will not last near as long.
Hardware is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 01-25-2021, 05:48 PM   #36
Big Lee
Ten Point
 
Big Lee's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: TX
Hunt In: Central Texas
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Killer View Post
Stabil is your friend. You donít even have to buy E free that way!
This
Big Lee is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 01-25-2021, 05:48 PM   #37
Big Lee
Ten Point
 
Big Lee's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: TX
Hunt In: Central Texas
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by kevin nicholls View Post
It doesn't absorb water without ethanol. It was only 7 or 8 months old. Before ethanol gas would last for years in can in the garage. I've never had it go bad like that, I could be wrong.
False. If less than full. It creates its own rain forrest in there.
Big Lee is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 01-25-2021, 05:50 PM   #38
Big Lee
Ten Point
 
Big Lee's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: TX
Hunt In: Central Texas
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by RR 314 View Post
Went to start power washer today. Only use ethanol free in it after replacing carb last year. Ran it dry in October and stored without seafoam etc. Put fresh ethanol free gas in yesterday and nothing. Took the bowl off and varnish/gunk everywhere. Cleaned it and wired out and fired right up. Seafoam next time. Oooof.
Still use Sta bil. As you can not run the bowl completely empty by shutting fuel off. It will get close. But not completely empty
Big Lee is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 01-26-2021, 11:55 AM   #39
Creedmore
Eight Point
 
Creedmore's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Cedar Hill
Hunt In: Carta Valley/Loma Alta
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by muzzlebrake View Post
Phase separation is a common problem with ethanol fuels. The more ethanol content the worse the problem can be. All ethanol has water in it and phase separation is when the water migrates out of the alcohol and settles in the bottom of the tank. There it is picked up in concentration by the fuel system and you have big globs of water going directly into the carb bowl or thru the fuel injectors. Neither one like that.
Pure gas can also go bad and varnish and other stuff can migrate out of solution. Pure gas won't smell like gas anymore. More like paint varnish.

When gas won't pass the sniff test, don't try to run the engine until it's drained and fresh fuel added.
Well said. Good explanation.
Creedmore is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 01-26-2021, 02:43 PM   #40
pilar
Pope & Young
 
pilar's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2017
Location: Sisterdale
Hunt In: Sisterdale and el dorado , Jeff Davis, refugio/sinton , San perlita
Default

Try the pure gas app , to check about whether it’s real or part ethanol
The place I just bought from is now displaying all products contain 10% ethanol
Or E85 on separate pumps
My truck gets really cruddy MPG running on any % ethanol
pilar is online now   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 01-26-2021, 02:58 PM   #41
mrc
Ten Point
 
mrc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Graham TX.
Hunt In: Young and Jack
Default

It would take 5 pages to explain, but Google Reid Vapor Pressure. I sell fuel and this is a big problem with stored gasoline.
mrc is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 01-26-2021, 03:13 PM   #42
pilar
Pope & Young
 
pilar's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2017
Location: Sisterdale
Hunt In: Sisterdale and el dorado , Jeff Davis, refugio/sinton , San perlita
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by mrc View Post
It would take 5 pages to explain, but Google Reid Vapor Pressure. I sell fuel and this is a big problem with stored gasoline.
So if I fill up my 500 gallon tank with winter blend gas none ethanol, it no good in summer because RVP ?
pilar is online now   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 01-26-2021, 03:17 PM   #43
mrc
Ten Point
 
mrc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Graham TX.
Hunt In: Young and Jack
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by pilar View Post
So if I fill up my 500 gallon tank with winter blend gas none ethanol, it no good in summer because RVP ?
I wouldn't say it's not good, but some vehicles and newer atv's won't run on it. And running winter blend in the summer or summer in the winter can cause issues too.
mrc is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 01-26-2021, 03:27 PM   #44
pilar
Pope & Young
 
pilar's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2017
Location: Sisterdale
Hunt In: Sisterdale and el dorado , Jeff Davis, refugio/sinton , San perlita
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by mrc View Post
I wouldn't say it's not good, but some vehicles and newer atv's won't run on it. And running winter blend in the summer or summer in the winter can cause issues too.
Understand, RVP is why we can only fill up to 80% full on our LPG
Tanks, I guess
pilar is online now   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:06 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Copyright 1999-2012, TexasBowhunter.com