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Six Point
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: san antonio
Hunt In: san antonio
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Ok so I have taken two does with archery equipment same broadhead type and brand both had little to no blood trails what are your thoughts. I used schwacker two blade 100 gr 2 in cut for both deer o e from my compound one from my crossbow both did as advertised small hole in 2 in cut out. One was from 12 ft up a tree the one tonight was ground level. Both deer made it 100 to 150 yds and crashed. Thoughts? Where the arrow entered on tonight's doe is in pic
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Pope & Young
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Bullard, Tx
Hunt In: Tyler and Jasper counties
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I can’t tell very well exactly where that shot placement would be but I know I’ve shot a couple deer and the entry and exit were kinda high and there wasn’t much blood. Like the cavity filled up but not enough to spill out. Not sure man, sorry for no help.
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#3 |
Eight Point
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Spring Branch
Hunt In: Gillespie Co
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A lot to do with kinetic energy imo. Are your arrows pretty light? About four years ago I went from a 8 to 11 gpi arrow with a nice outsert to increase FOC and the difference was unreal. Same bow, poundage, broadhead etc. yes a fast arrow will zip through a whitetail deer but if there’s no KE wont not cause the hemorrhage that leaves blood trails. I relate it to poking a hole in lung vs blowing a hole through the lungs. Both are gonna die. One a lot quicker and graphically than the other. GL
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#4 |
Six Point
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: san antonio
Hunt In: san antonio
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Shot was right in the triangle of the shoulder almost dead center slight quarter towards me both lungs full of blood, blood coming from nose/mouth blood all down both sides of the deer. Yet specks of blood for the trail. Where she did the death wobble there was blood everywhere looked like what I would have expected with the shot placement
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#5 | |
Six Point
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: san antonio
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#6 |
Eight Point
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: Brazoria county
Hunt In: Brazoria county and Menard
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Not trying to start a broadhead debate this is just my opinion. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with Shwackers they are a proven broadhead. My opinion is- you only have 1 2 inch gash really for blood to come out of- With shots to the deadly V you have shoulder muscle covering that gash in the ribs. Blood would really only come out when the holes in the shoulder and ribs align which as a deer is running is not very much time. Combine that with the fact the hole in the shoulder itself being only one linear cut seals over pretty easy as those muscles tighten- lastly, if the exit is any higher than bottom 3rd. That’s lots of cavity that has to fill up first
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#7 |
Pope & Young
![]() Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Brazoria county
Hunt In: Brady,McCulloch Cnty, Brazoria cnty, South Africa, Namibia Nebraska
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I shoot Shwackers myself, 125gr. Shoot them about 5 inches further back and Stevie Wonder will be able to follow the blood trail.. They are lethal and tuff.
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Pope & Young
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Franklin, Tx
Hunt In: Panola Co and Robertson Co
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Ten Point
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Ten Point
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Pope & Young
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Location: Brazoria county
Hunt In: Brady,McCulloch Cnty, Brazoria cnty, South Africa, Namibia Nebraska
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#12 |
Ten Point
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Sanger
Hunt In: Spikezilla
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In my opinion you are shooting too far forward. Shoot a few inches further back I think your set up is fine. Shooting further back you will direct hit heart/lungs and see a pass through and (2) 2" holes the paint the landscape with. Congrats on the deer!
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Pope & Young
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KE effects penetration, it has no effect on hemorrhage. |
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#14 |
Ten Point
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: SW Louisiana
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Pope & Young
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Tx
Hunt In: Blanco, Nacadoches,NewMexico,Colorado
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ground level the holes are typically fairly even. |
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#16 |
Pope & Young
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Location: Rogers, TX
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Shot placement and angle of the entrance and exit (if there is an exit wound) are what determines the bloodtrail. pure and simple.
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Ten Point
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Longview
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#18 |
Ten Point
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Austin
Hunt In: Eldorado
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as others have mentioned, you are shooting a bit too forward. plus, if the the entry and exit are high, the blood will fill the cavity rather than bleeding out. congrats on the successful kill.
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#19 |
Six Point
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: san antonio
Hunt In: san antonio
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[QUOTE=sectxag06;14405926]as others have mentioned, you are shooting a bit too forward. plus, if the the entry and exit are high, the blood will fill the cavity rather than bleeding out. congrats on the successful
If the deer were quartered to me wouldn't I want to shoot further to the front the the animal vs going back and getting a gut shot? |
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#20 |
Pope & Young
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Oatmeal, TX
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Perfect shot placement imo a little farther back would still get the job done but thats where i aim 90% of the time. Maybe a hair lower.
Thats why the call it the deadly V. Put it there and they usually dont go far. |
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#21 |
Ten Point
Join Date: May 2015
Location: Beaumont,TX
Hunt In: East Texas
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Good vs Bad Blood trails have so many different factors 2 holes vs one, angles, shot placement, etc. Some animals just bleed more than others or some just don't run far enough to start pumping blood out. There are many different factors that come in effect with bow hunting. I started off bowhunting with Shwackers and I never got good blood trails out of them especially if I didn't get an exit. My buddy hit a deer with a crossbow shooting shwackers, got pass thru, double lung, and still very little blood. We did recover that deer though. I Had a cousin shoot a doe with a raptor trick (very similar design) and had the same results. We switched over to Grim Reapers and had better results and continue to use them, however fixed blades with heavy arrows have been more effective on shots to the bone and getting 2 holes vs one.
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#22 |
Eight Point
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Bellville
Hunt In: Austin/Washington county
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I've killed half a dozen deer with schwackers and none of them ever bled. Most of them ran 70-100 yards. Always small entry and ok exit. I always come back to my tried and true grizz tricks that always leave blood and hardly ever have an animal go more than 50 yards. I tend to also shoot forward through the shoulders in the V and they usually do not go far but have had better luck shooting fixed heads for that area of the vitals.
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#23 |
Six Point
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: san antonio
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Went back and found the bolt from last night went about 20 yards past the shot no damage to head or bolt
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#24 |
Pope & Young
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Mauriceville
Hunt In: SETx,La,Il,Ks,Mo
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It has to be the POI and angle of the shot, entry/exit. A 2" cut, no matter the broadhead brand or type should let copious amounts of blood.
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#25 |
Six Point
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: san antonio
Hunt In: san antonio
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This one was in left shoulder out right side 3in back from shoulder but it was an inch over the half way point on the chest
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