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Old 11-13-2022, 11:19 AM   #1
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This year is my 11 year old grandson's first year bow hunting. He has taken lessons and has practiced at 20 yards with great accuracy. His bow blind is set up at 25 yards from the feeder.

He shot two doe at 20 yards and made two good vital shots. Drew blood on the first but didn't get good penetration. Same with the second.

I'm wondering if he's pulling enough poundage.

What poundage would you recommend to obtain good penetration.

Both shots were well placed and right where you would expect a heart shot.
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Old 11-13-2022, 11:23 AM   #2
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What poundage is he shooting and what kind of broadhead?
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Old 11-13-2022, 11:23 AM   #3
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does he have a COC broadhead?
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Old 11-13-2022, 11:28 AM   #4
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Both factors above will definitely come into play, 20 yards for an 11 year old is a pretty good shot. Low poundage and type of broadhead are definitely going to be major factors.
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Old 11-13-2022, 11:32 AM   #5
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G5 Broadheads. Not sure of the poundage.
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Old 11-13-2022, 11:48 AM   #6
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Which g5s?
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Old 11-13-2022, 11:50 AM   #7
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G5 Broadheads. Not sure of the poundage.
Which broad head, they make multiple. If it's a fixed broad head, he should be good, a low pondage bow and mechanical broad heads, is probably a bad idea. A larger cutting area is going to take more energy to push the broadhead through. Then having low poundage on the bow, he is going to be shooting lighter arrows, which are going to have low energy to push a mechanical through.

I would get a 1" to 1 1/8" cutting width, good sharp fixed broadhead. I would want him to be shooting at least 45 lbs. of pull. I have never hunted anything but rabbits with a bow that had under 55 lbs. of draw weight.
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Old 11-13-2022, 11:50 AM   #8
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And bow tuning is an absolute must for low poundage. That arrow has to fly strait and stable.
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Old 11-13-2022, 12:00 PM   #9
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Does anyone know what poundage he is pulling? IMO that’s pretty much step one when setting up a kid to hunt.

There is no minimum requirement in Texas currently but it used to be 40lbs. I would guess 35 lbs out of a modern compound would be a responsible minimum. As mentioned a 1” cut on contact broadhead would be ideal
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Old 11-13-2022, 12:06 PM   #10
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Get closer. Either with hand corn or move the feeder closer. As a Trad shooter my feeders are 13-20 yards. My kids did very well at the 10-15 yard hand corn piles that I placed when they were similar age.
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Old 11-13-2022, 12:07 PM   #11
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Were both of them recovered being vital shots? If so, his setup seems to be working.
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Old 11-13-2022, 12:17 PM   #12
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and bow tuning is an absolute must for low poundage. That arrow has to fly strait and stable.
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Old 11-13-2022, 12:29 PM   #13
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Two blade CoC would be better for penetration. I would get him closer and at least 30lbs dw. 35lbs better.

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Old 11-13-2022, 12:40 PM   #14
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Two blade magnus stinger and 35lbs is plenty. If you have a g5 mechanical you are setting him up for failure.
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Old 11-13-2022, 01:00 PM   #15
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Are you recovering the deer and confirming shot placement or just guessing on shot placement? It is either a shot placement issue or broadhead/poundage problem
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Old 11-13-2022, 01:38 PM   #16
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If no one has said Get them Closer yet then I’ll say it
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Old 11-13-2022, 02:16 PM   #17
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Since you only asked, how many lbs, I would say minimum 45 lbs, at 15 yards. At 25 yards, I would want more like 50 lbs. But then there is the question of arrow weight. Where is he at there?

But there are so many other questions others have posted that need answers.

Did he target shoot BH's? Are his BH sharp (They won't be out of the box)?
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Old 11-13-2022, 02:32 PM   #18
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Sounds like y’all need to video the shots and confirm shot placement. If y’all didn’t recover either of them then it’s a shot placement problem or a draw weight and broadhead problem.

I’m not going to point fingers but if he’s hunting and no one around him knows his draw weight, or his broadhead he’s shooting then it’s time to step back a second and rethink the situation. Young kids can kill deer with their bows, but it takes thinking it out for them before they get put in a hunting situation.
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Old 11-13-2022, 03:26 PM   #19
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Try to get him closer, 25 yds is quite a distance for a Bowhunter…getting close is the name of the game.

40 lbs will kill a deer with a sharp fixed blade.


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Old 11-13-2022, 03:47 PM   #20
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What poundage is he shooting and what kind of broadhead?
You really do want to get a scale and check what poundage its set at.

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Old 11-13-2022, 07:07 PM   #21
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Old 11-14-2022, 12:49 PM   #22
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Not to dog pile on you...but did you run a dog? Were the arrows still in the deer when it ran off?
You'd be surprised. Sigle sided penentration is tough for blood trailing but it will kill.
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Old 11-14-2022, 01:04 PM   #23
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In for an update....
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Old 11-14-2022, 01:14 PM   #24
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20 yards is way too far.

I bet the deer moved before arrow got to them. I know this happens because I videoed my daughters first deer. 11 yard shot. Slow motion you can se arrow going right at the heart but last 1/10th of a second the doe ducked and went forward. Impossible to believe until you watch a shot with your own eyes and then watch the video. At 20 yards there's no telling how much those doe could have moved.
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Old 11-14-2022, 02:04 PM   #25
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He must still be out looking for those deer
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Old 11-14-2022, 02:20 PM   #26
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He must still be out looking for those deer
I wouldn't blame OP. Nothing worse than wounding an animal.
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Old 11-14-2022, 02:21 PM   #27
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If at first you don’t succeed try try again!!! Just keep trying to drop one!
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Old 11-14-2022, 02:28 PM   #28
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I wouldn't blame OP. Nothing worse than wounding an animal.
I'm not blaming him a lot of had follow up questions and were looking for an update on info and he has been mia.
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Old 11-14-2022, 07:41 PM   #29
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25/30 pounds is plenty. Cut on CONTACT. Arrow weight, arrow weight, arrow weight! 20 to 25 yards away is not as important as what is hitting the critter in the kill zone. Dont let him get discouraged please. Get the gear checked......draw weight, arrow weight, broadhead type/quality.
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Old 11-14-2022, 08:10 PM   #30
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My son shoots 34 lbs and I have video of a spike dropping 8 plus inches before the arrow could make contact at 13 yards. They are fast....... aim low.
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Old 11-14-2022, 08:57 PM   #31
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Get closer. Either with hand corn or move the feeder closer. As a Trad shooter my feeders are 13-20 yards. My kids did very well at the 10-15 yard hand corn piles that I placed when they were similar age.
^^^^^^This. Kids are all different shapes and sizes but as an 11yr old 20 yards can be rough on a kill shot. I am absolutely not saying it can’t be done. I threw corn out at 10-12 yards for my son when he was pulling 47lbs at age 11. He was able to kill javelinas and hogs with his Mathews Mission bow. When he turned 12 he grew about five inches and put on 35 extra pounds. That year cost me a lot in clothes and shoes due to his growth. He could draw 60lbs as a 12yr old. He arrowed his first two doe in the same day that season with Rage broadheads. We still threw corn out at 10-12 yards until he was around 14 years old. Get some confidence under their belts and they will be able to back the corn piles up as they age. My son is 26 now and he thinks Bow Hunting is easy. I like to take credit for that because of those close corn piles.
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Old 11-14-2022, 09:10 PM   #32
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Two blade CoC would be better for penetration. I would get him closer and at least 30lbs dw. 35lbs better.

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Old 11-14-2022, 09:43 PM   #33
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My sons were bow hunting and shooting small pigs at 7 yrs old with a 22# compound bow at 10yds or less with a COC broadhead. They shot animals consistently year after year first whitetails at 9 yrs old at 15 yds with 35#. They didn’t shoot past 15 til they were 12 and pulling about 45# and we still tried to keep them under 20. You must have him a plan to put the odds in his favor and stick to it even having to let deer walk. We watched lots of deer on many hunts that just wouldn’t get close enough but patience would pay off eventually. They were successful on several animals year after year. They learned a lot about aging deer, good and bad shot angles, how deer act, draw timing , woodsmanship, safety,and most importantly patience and it’s not all about a kill. Good luck with your grandson and y’all have fun and tell him to stick with it. PM me if you have any ?s

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