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I need 1000 tons in Eufaula, OK. Yes 1000 tons...for a 1 mile road.

Best quote is 17.50 ton delivered and spread from a truck dump bed. No tractor work.

Is this a good price?
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Whats road base?
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Old 01-28-2020, 05:15 PM   #3
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I need 1000 tons in Eufaula, OK. Yes 1000 tons...for a 1 mile road.

Best quote is 17.50 ton delivered and spread from a truck dump bed. No tractor work.

Is this a good price?
That price is in-line for central Texas. Figured they may give you a little break on the volume you are looking to buy (depending on how far the haul is).
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Depends on how far the quarry is from your location
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I don't know how you priced it, or what the going rate should be.

But with this stuff, I start with a LOCAL owner/operator of an end dump outfit (preferably multiple truck/trailers). Talk to them about what you are doing, and what you expect, and ask their recommendation on material, etc. Many times the nearest rock crusher is a long ways off, so you waste time and fuel. If there's a highway project going on nearby, reclaimed asphalt or something similar can be had much cheaper. He will also have an account with several material suppliers around and be able to negotiate a good price based on volume and who he know.

You're gonna need a tractor man at some point also, and it may be the same guy.
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Just be sure it has good rock mixed in and not a bunch of straight fines. State tested base is what I prefer. Belly dump will make your equipment time quicker on spreading. Not a bad price for my area.
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Old 01-28-2020, 05:21 PM   #7
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Depends on how far the quarry is from your location
Not sure, I will ask.

Not alot of helpful contractors in the area.
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I don't know how you priced it, or what the going rate should be.

But with this stuff, I start with a LOCAL owner/operator of an end dump outfit (preferably multiple truck/trailers). Talk to them about what you are doing, and what you expect, and ask their recommendation on material, etc. Many times the nearest rock crusher is a long ways off, so you waste time and fuel. If there's a highway project going on nearby, reclaimed asphalt or something similar can be had much cheaper. He will also have an account with several material suppliers around and be able to negotiate a good price based on volume and who he know.

You're gonna need a tractor man at some point also, and it may be the same guy.

Dale, this is my first rodeo as far as roads go.

I used an online calculator to get tons. I have approx 3000 feet of new road thru my land. I started with mulcher and he got about 1000 feet cleared and ready for dozer to shape and remove stumps. He cant go much further as it turns to rock and elevations.

Meeting a road builder later in week to discuss final route and clearing. Thought I would hire out the base separate.

I need a good base to start. Plan is to black top it after house is built and all contractors and equipment are gone.

Not ready to hear what the black top will cost...
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Lots of factors on price, but that doesn't seem unreasonable.
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Depends on how far the quarry is from your location
This.

Where is it coming from? At that price, I'm guessing 40ish miles away... Dolese, Hartshorne?

Rough numbers would be $10/ton for the material at the source plus $0.22/ton-mile (Miles x .22) for hauling price/ton

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Recycled Concrete could be an option, there is a rock crusher up there somewhere called Dolese that could be of some help.


As I'm sure you know, there are about a thousand stone (the kind that goes on the front of your house) quarries just east of there. I'm not sure of any that are crushing waste material, but if there are they may be motivated to get rid of a bunch.
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Dale, this is my first rodeo as far as roads go.

I used an online calculator to get tons. I have approx 3000 feet of new road thru my land. I started with mulcher and he got about 1000 feet cleared and ready for dozer to shape and remove stumps. He cant go much further as it turns to rock and elevations.

Meeting a road builder later in week to discuss final route and clearing. Thought I would hire out the base separate.

I need a good base to start. Plan is to black top it after house is built and all contractors and equipment are gone.

Not ready to hear what the black top will cost...
The construction traffic is gonna tear it up enough that someone is gonna have to come in and redo some areas before asphalt.
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Dale, this is my first rodeo as far as roads go.

I used an online calculator to get tons. I have approx 3000 feet of new road thru my land. I started with mulcher and he got about 1000 feet cleared and ready for dozer to shape and remove stumps. He cant go much further as it turns to rock and elevations.

Meeting a road builder later in week to discuss final route and clearing. Thought I would hire out the base separate.

I need a good base to start. Plan is to black top it after house is built and all contractors and equipment are gone.

Not ready to hear what the black top will cost...
Road builder will probably have the best inside track on materials, but keep checking up on him. The good ol boy network is in full effect up there, one guy may try to get rich off you, while his neighbor just needs steady loads....
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Road builder will probably have the best inside track on materials, but keep checking up on him. The good ol boy network is in full effect up there, one guy may try to get rich off you, while his neighbor just needs steady loads....

Good ol boy lesson learned last week. Getting bids for boat dock and 2 guys within 1K each other, turns out they are buddies. Next guy came in half of those two. Waiting on 4 bid now.

I am a contractor by trade in public, private, and industrial sector. I'm used to everything being qualified on a bid with some sort of specifications. Trying to get contractors in Oklahoma to put a bid on paper qualifying what material and any specifications is challenging. So far everyone wants to deal in text and phone calls most guys don't know how to use a location pin for Google or open a PDF. Its been very frustrating to say the least.

I was gonna build my own house. But after dealing with locals subs, I've picked a very good home builder and going a step away.
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I think I got road base rammed. Guy that did my road had to haul in a load of rock on dump truck and it was 350.00 spread.
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What is your okie calling road base? Make sure he is getting material that is TXdot or Odot approved.

The material used for base for an asphalt road is a lot different than gravel for a private road. More fines, certain gradations, etc.

You can pull TXDOT standard asphalt sections and material specs online I believe. I think you want TXDOT flex base.

Paving subs weigh in?

If you ultimately want asphalt you’ll probably want to use Geogrid on top of flexbase to make asphalt topping thin as possible as you probably don’t want to grade or mess with sub grade treatment.

Might not hurt to ask some engineers/geotechs for recs?

Sure local guys that do this all the time have way better input. Just thoughts on paper


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Dale, this is my first rodeo as far as roads go.

I used an online calculator to get tons. I have approx 3000 feet of new road thru my land. I started with mulcher and he got about 1000 feet cleared and ready for dozer to shape and remove stumps. He cant go much further as it turns to rock and elevations.

Meeting a road builder later in week to discuss final route and clearing. Thought I would hire out the base separate.

I need a good base to start. Plan is to black top it after house is built and all contractors and equipment are gone.

Not ready to hear what the black top will cost...
No....no you aren’t. Trust me

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As I'm sure you know, there are about a thousand stone (the kind that goes on the front of your house) quarries just east of there. I'm not sure of any that are crushing waste material, but if there are they may be motivated to get rich a bunch.
FIFY

Good luck Sean...sounds like you have a plan. Part of that plan involves an open checkbook
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Need a good price in some geotextile fabric....?? I’ll happily give you a killer price on a mile of fabric or grid.
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Old 01-28-2020, 07:01 PM   #19
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Need a good price in some geotextile fabric....?? I’ll happily give you a killer price on a mile of fabric or grid.
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Absolutely, let me meet with contractor later in week. I will be in touch.

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What is your okie calling road base? Make sure he is getting material that is TXdot or Odot approved.

The material used for base for an asphalt road is a lot different than gravel for a private road. More fines, certain gradations, etc.

You can pull TXDOT standard asphalt sections and material specs online I believe. I think you want TXDOT flex base.

Paving subs weigh in?

If you ultimately want asphalt you’ll probably want to use Geogrid on top of flexbase to make asphalt topping thin as possible as you probably don’t want to grade or mess with sub grade treatment.

Might not hurt to ask some engineers/geotechs for recs?

Sure local guys that do this all the time have way better input. Just thoughts on paper


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Very helpful, from all of you. I will asking now that I know what to ask.
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Road base is usually about $8.40 per ton not counting deliver, which will be about the same. You should get a better price with that much base( 50 belly dump trucks loads). If you want it to last for a while you are going to need to grade it, water it, compact it, and grade it again. If not you are just pissing in the wind.
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I need 1000 tons in Eufaula, OK. Yes 1000 tons...for a 1 mile road.

Best quote is 17.50 ton delivered and spread from a truck dump bed. No tractor work.

Is this a good price?
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Road base is usually about $8.40 per ton not counting deliver, which will be about the same. You should get a better price with that much base( 50 belly dump trucks loads). If you want it to last for a while you are going to need to grade it, water it, compact it, and grade it again. If not you are just pissing in the wind.
If a belly dump holds 20 tons and his quote would equal $350 per load That's a good price from what I've seen.

I was quoted $275 for the smaller dump truck. Not sure how many tons it holds though. How much bigger is a belly dump truck?
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If a belly dump holds 20 tons and his quote would equal $350 per load That's a good price from what I've seen.

I was quoted $275 for the smaller dump truck. Not sure how many tons it holds though. How much bigger is a belly dump truck?
Almost 13 tons. Your operator will love a belly dumps. Your gonna be spending some coin. Make sure dirt work is done proper before any materials hitting the dirt. Ditches pulled, water ways, tinhorns laid and a good crown. This will all be very important to the life of blacktop.
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Ask your home builder for referrals. Or the local concrete plant for wash out. See if you can get a deal on the base if you use them for the foundation and flatwork. I'm a home builder and I have referrals for my area I work in. And I'd hustle to find options if I were him and you awarded me the contract.

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Couple things. First you are going to need closer to 2200 tons. 5280 feet x 10 feet wide=52800 square feet x .5(6" depth of base) = 26400 cubic feet ÷ 27 = 978 cubic yards x 2.2(base conversion rate) = 2151 tons.

Price per ton for base should be a fixed number from manufacturer. Hauling will be done by ton with mileage being the major factor.

You will need a tractor to spread material evenly. there is not a truck that can do that. It wouldn't hurt to have a compactor to roll over base after placing it down. To do it properly you will need to compact the sub grade first. Then place the base down evenly, add water and compact. I wouldn't go less than 6" on base and if I was doing it I'd be at 8" to 9" if I was planning on asphalting. My two cents are dont asphalt if you dont build the sub grade correctly as it will fall apart in short time.

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What is your okie calling road base? Make sure he is getting material that is TXdot or Odot approved.

The material used for base for an asphalt road is a lot different than gravel for a private road. More fines, certain gradations, etc.

You can pull TXDOT standard asphalt sections and material specs online I believe. I think you want TXDOT flex base.

Paving subs weigh in?

If you ultimately want asphalt you’ll probably want to use Geogrid on top of flexbase to make asphalt topping thin as possible as you probably don’t want to grade or mess with sub grade treatment.

Might not hurt to ask some engineers/geotechs for recs?

Sure local guys that do this all the time have way better input. Just thoughts on paper


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This right here, and ask for all scale tickets, check date and times some people will cut flex base with foam or concrete wash to better there profits, most all belly dumps should be 22-24 tons, if you are building new roads 1 belly dump should get you about 90ft long 12ft wide and around 5 inchs deep

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Ok what's a good sub base?

I dont plan to asphalt for maybe 4 to 5 years from now.

I have a good tractor there with a box blade.

I have no problem paying what's its worth, I only want to do this process one time.
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End dump or belly dump should be around $100-$110 per hour
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Base should be around $6-8 per ton depending on base type at the plant.
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Ok what's a good sub base?

I dont plan to asphalt for maybe 4 to 5 years from now.

I have a good tractor there with a box blade.

I have no problem paying what's its worth, I only want to do this process one time.


Not an expert on okie soils. If I was doing it would say lime/cement stabilized 6” of native ground and complete to 95-100% max density geotech lab can test your soils. . I have seen crews in Mexico literally dump out bags of cement and disk that ish in. Cost prohibitive to get lime slurry machine.

You will need to grade and compact native soil at minimum.

BUT whatever you do now will not hold up on 4-5 years. Kinda of an all or nothing deal, or a “I know I will have to repair/fix my gravel road 4-5 years from now before asphalt)

I am a dumb big box warehouse developer and am not Randy Cody paving sub who politely says half of what I spec is mega overkill.

A local resi asphalt/paving contractor would probably be best bet for you.


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What is your okie calling road base? Make sure he is getting material that is TXdot or Odot approved.

The material used for base for an asphalt road is a lot different than gravel for a private road. More fines, certain gradations, etc.

You can pull TXDOT standard asphalt sections and material specs online I believe. I think you want TXDOT flex base.

Paving subs weigh in?

If you ultimately want asphalt you’ll probably want to use Geogrid on top of flexbase to make asphalt topping thin as possible as you probably don’t want to grade or mess with sub grade treatment.

Might not hurt to ask some engineers/geotechs for recs?

Sure local guys that do this all the time have way better input. Just thoughts on paper


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That doesn't make sense. You don't want to put geogrid on top of the base and it won't help you make the asphalt thinner.

With a job of that size, lime stabilization of subgrade is cheaper and more effective than any geogrid.

OP, depending on subgrade conditions, you should almost definitely stabilize the subgrade for your asphalt road. Also, as mentioned above, the base will need to be properly installed if you ever want to put asphalt on it.
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That doesn't make sense. You don't want to put geogrid on top of the base and it won't help you make the asphalt thinner.

With a job of that size, lime stabilization of subgrade is cheaper and more effective than any geogrid.

OP, depending on subgrade conditions, you should almost definitely stabilize the subgrade for your asphalt road. Also, as mentioned above, the base will need to be properly installed if you ever want to put asphalt on it.


Geogrid below base* not above base. yes it can reduce asphalt course thickness


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One mile of asphalt is not cheap. The base will be half the cost then you add labor get ready for sticker shock.
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Dale, this is my first rodeo as far as roads go.

I used an online calculator to get tons. I have approx 3000 feet of new road thru my land. I started with mulcher and he got about 1000 feet cleared and ready for dozer to shape and remove stumps. He cant go much further as it turns to rock and elevations.

Meeting a road builder later in week to discuss final route and clearing. Thought I would hire out the base separate.

I need a good base to start. Plan is to black top it after house is built and all contractors and equipment are gone.

Not ready to hear what the black top will cost...
Just for comparison I put 821 tons of crushed concrete on my 3000' driveway.

https://youtu.be/ZLui03eVYvo
https://youtu.be/JR4pq2C4lSE

This is what I was covering up.

https://youtu.be/ssNoQ86fk-Q

I might do asphalt later.
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That doesn't make sense. You don't want to put geogrid on top of the base and it won't help you make the asphalt thinner.

With a job of that size, lime stabilization of subgrade is cheaper and more effective than any geogrid.

OP, depending on subgrade conditions, you should almost definitely stabilize the subgrade for your asphalt road. Also, as mentioned above, the base will need to be properly installed if you ever want to put asphalt on it.
I assure you if the large LNG project I’m working could’ve only limed the millions of square yards as opposed to laying down Lime&grid they surely would’ve done so.

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Old 02-01-2020, 08:07 AM   #36
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I'm doing this now at my place up there. I was quoted about 7.80 a ton from dolese for 2.5" base. Hauler is charging 350 a load using a tractor trailer. 45 miles one way from plant.
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