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Old 04-21-2020, 02:51 PM   #1
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Curious to see if anyone is on a lease that has rules surrounding turkey hunters. Our lease has 10 members, when I joined I was the only person that hunted turkeys in the spring so I thought I struck a gold mine. Fast forward to this year and everyone wants to shoot them with a deer rifle while "hog hunting". I know it is 100% legal, just not ethical IMO nor fair to the others that want to chase them in the traditional method. I'm hoping the "interest" in turkeys is due to them wanting to get out of the house, but who knows.

So does anyone's lease have rules that involve turkey hunting other than abide by state laws?
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Old 04-21-2020, 02:52 PM   #2
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How is it not ethical?
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Old 04-21-2020, 02:53 PM   #3
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In on the not Ethical part as well
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Old 04-21-2020, 02:56 PM   #4
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In My Opinion, it is not ethical. Each person has their own opinion. IMO it is not ethical because of meat loss and shooting them with a high caliber rifle. What is left after you shoot a turkey with a 30-06?
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Old 04-21-2020, 03:00 PM   #5
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Its legal and they pay for the use of the lease the same as you. I don't see an issue.
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Certainly not my favored way to hunt them but I wouldn't consider it unethical. A lazy cheater's way to hunt them maybe. I will plead guilty to killing one with a rifle - I could not get a big tom away from his harem of hens so I sniped him in the head with a .22 mag from 75 yards.
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Old 04-21-2020, 03:01 PM   #7
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In My Opinion, it is not ethical. Each person has their own opinion. IMO it is not ethical because of meat loss and shooting them with a high caliber rifle. What is left after you shoot a turkey with a 30-06?
Iíve actually shot several with a 30-06 and a 270 and still had a good chunk of meat. Used bullets that didnít mushroom like crazy.
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Old 04-21-2020, 03:04 PM   #8
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In My Opinion, it is not ethical. Each person has their own opinion. IMO it is not ethical because of meat loss and shooting them with a high caliber rifle. What is left after you shoot a turkey with a 30-06?
More than you might think especially if shot low. I've had guys use a fast, light round say a 22-250 and bullet tends to go right through without much "explosion". Very little breast meat is lost. Now today i see where someone is cooking legs and thighs so that's new to me.
What it sounds like is that shooting them with a rifle is easier, resulting is more success therefore less success for you. Can you hunt deer with a rifle on this "deer lease" or is it bow only, for ethical purposes of course?

BTW- I've seen more turkey "lost" bow hit than any other method.
just my Covid .02
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Iíve actually shot several with a 30-06 and a 270 and still had a good chunk of meat. Used bullets that didnít mushroom like crazy.
Yup. I've shot one with a rifle head on in the chest. Just had a little pen hole in the breast meat. I was just using a .223 though.
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Old 04-21-2020, 03:12 PM   #10
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I don't think ethics is a question considering its legal, but I think folks are missing out on a fun hunt doing it that way versus the traditional ways of calling and/or over decoys. But if its legal its legal. No problems with it but I'm not doing it.


I've seen folks neck or head shoot and not loose any meat.
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Old 04-21-2020, 03:14 PM   #11
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A lazy cheater's way to hunt them maybe. .



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Old 04-21-2020, 03:17 PM   #12
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I killed my first turkey with a 6mm remington. Aim for the neck where the feathers start. Breast meat was untouched. Yes, it's not as challenging as calling them into shotgun range, but it's ethical.
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Old 04-21-2020, 03:19 PM   #13
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A buddy of mine shot one at about 200 yards with his .222 this past Saturday at the lease. I was there. Helluva shot. I missed one at 40 yds with my shotgun. We the only two out of seven that hunt turkeys.
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Old 04-21-2020, 03:23 PM   #14
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I think it's due to the amount of people out hunting right now. there's a lot mot people with time off this spring and what better way to use that time than to be in the woods. I was in Rocksprings on friday and you would have thought it was the middle of deer season and everyone in town was asking about turkeys.
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Old 04-21-2020, 03:25 PM   #15
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Kill em all ��
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Old 04-21-2020, 03:26 PM   #16
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So far I haven't lost any meat at all with a rifle !
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Old 04-21-2020, 03:27 PM   #17
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Killing turkeys with rifles is the same as shooting deer under a feeder in my book.
But hey, I'm not published nor have I sold any copies.

Go put in effort and earn your harvest.
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Old 04-21-2020, 03:43 PM   #18
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While I am not really a turkey hunter I have called in a killed a few of them. I see nothing wrong with killing them with a rifle. I mean they paid the same money to hunt as you did. Why is your of hunting superior to how someone else chooses to do it? Who died and made you judge?

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Old 04-21-2020, 03:49 PM   #19
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Our lease has limit of birds per spot, but no limitation on means.
If I had it to do over again, I would limit the spring hunting to shotguns with exception for kids. For those who want to kill pigs, carry both guns like I do.

I suspect more spring hunters than ever this year with no kidís sports going on

I love to call turkeys. Or help other people hunt them.

FWIW. Never had a gobbler killed in the fall on our lease.
12 years. No one cares to.


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Old 04-21-2020, 03:49 PM   #20
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Old 04-21-2020, 03:50 PM   #21
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Maybe take a couple of them to hunt over decoys and show them how much fun it is.
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Old 04-21-2020, 03:53 PM   #22
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We have 3200 acres (10 hunters). Everyone has their own spots that only they can hunt during deer season unless they give permission to other hunters to hunt their spots (Which this does happen now that everyone knows each other well). We do have some community stands as well. During "Turkey" season however, the whole ranch is fair game with shot gun or bow only. This is mainly just for safety reasons. That's just how we have it in our rules.
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Old 04-21-2020, 04:00 PM   #23
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At the end of the day, they pay the same as you. Sucks for them because they’re not hunting them the fun way!
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Old 04-21-2020, 04:02 PM   #24
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You are trying to make it an ethics issue, when itís not. You are just mad that they are taking the easy way.


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Old 04-21-2020, 04:07 PM   #25
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I won't take a stance until I see BTB's midnight posting on this ethics question
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Old 04-21-2020, 04:10 PM   #26
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We allow any legal means. At the end of the day, I tell the men it’s a deer lease not a bird lease. And yes, I have also killed with a shotgun and with a lighter caliber with no damage. It is just as tough with a rifle shooting neck or head shots as they are constantly moving.
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Old 04-21-2020, 04:11 PM   #27
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Just go out and enjoy the woods. Don’t let it worry you what others are doing or how they are doing it.
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Old 04-21-2020, 04:15 PM   #28
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Its just a stupid bird
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Old 04-21-2020, 04:16 PM   #29
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Guess they killed a bird and you haven’t. I like calling them in but I do carry my 22-250 in the truck just in case.
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Old 04-21-2020, 04:28 PM   #30
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I would put shooting doves out of the tree, and shooting turkeys out of the truck window in the same bucket.
I've done both, but its certainly taking the easy way out...

We have had really poor turkey hatches on our Shackelford Co place the last couple years. Can't figure out why - we should be a turkey paradise - but we don't have a huntable population this year

Maybe the deer stomped on all the eggs
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Old 04-21-2020, 04:35 PM   #31
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In My Opinion, it is not ethical. Each person has their own opinion. IMO it is not ethical because of meat loss and shooting them with a high caliber rifle. What is left after you shoot a turkey with a 30-06?
Choot'em thru the eye. You ain't eating their eyes are you?
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Old 04-21-2020, 04:46 PM   #32
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Curious to see if anyone is on a lease that has rules surrounding turkey hunters. Our lease has 10 members, when I joined I was the only person that hunted turkeys in the spring so I thought I struck a gold mine. Fast forward to this year and everyone wants to shoot them with a deer rifle while "hog hunting". I know it is 100% legal, just not ethical IMO nor fair to the others that want to chase them in the traditional method. I'm hoping the "interest" in turkeys is due to them wanting to get out of the house, but who knows.

So does anyone's lease have rules that involve turkey hunting other than abide by state laws?
I think you need a like-minded lease mate
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I would put shooting doves out of the tree, and shooting turkeys out of the truck window in the same bucket.
I've done both, but its certainly taking the easy way out...

We have had really poor turkey hatches on our Shackelford Co place the last couple years. Can't figure out why - we should be a turkey paradise - but we don't have a huntable population this year

Maybe the deer stomped on all the eggs
We are not far from you - just east of Moran and are seeing - or not seeing the same thing. I can't imagine better turkey habitat but birds are few and far between the last couple of years.
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Certainly not my favored way to hunt them but I wouldn't consider it unethical. A lazy cheater's way to hunt them maybe. I will plead guilty to killing one with a rifle - I could not get a big tom away from his harem of hens so I sniped him in the head with a .22 mag from 75 yards.
That is illegal. Can only use center fire.
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That is illegal. Can only use center fire.
Now we got a thread.

Is it ethical to make comments about legalities when you don't know the law or nah?
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Now we got a thread.

Is it ethical to make comments about legalities when you don't know the law or nah?
That is correct about the center fire only right?
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That is correct about the center fire only right?
Nope. Heck you can shoot a turkey with an air gun
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Wrong
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Old 04-21-2020, 05:45 PM   #39
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Man I love it when people comment without knowing W T H they are talking about...lol
Seems to happen a lot on here!
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Old 04-21-2020, 05:47 PM   #40
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I don't think ethics is a question considering its legal, but I think folks are missing out on a fun hunt doing it that way versus the traditional ways of calling and/or over decoys. But if its legal its legal. No problems with it but I'm not doing it.


I've seen folks neck or head shoot and not loose any meat.



Good grief!! * not LOSE any meat!!
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Good grief!! * not LOSE any meat!!
Maybe he meant "didn't knock any meat lose"
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Old 04-21-2020, 06:56 PM   #42
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I think you need a like-minded lease mate
I agree, but as you know itís hard enough to find a lease much less one with ďlike mindedĒ hunters.

Good points made on other comments. Iíll keep my mouth shut and enjoy the woods.
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I get what you are saying. I wouldn’t hunt them with a rifle anymore either, but it is legal so you really just have to go with the flow on this one. Right now, i’d Just like to say I heard a gobble
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Just go out and enjoy the woods. Don’t let it worry you what others are doing or how they are doing it.
This 100% , if it’s legal and not against the rules I am ok with it
I am not interested in debating ethics, is rifle hunting less ethical then bow hunting? Is using a Xbow lesser than using a compound ?
A compound vs a recurve?

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In My Opinion, it is not ethical. Each person has their own opinion. IMO it is not ethical because of meat loss and shooting them with a high caliber rifle. What is left after you shoot a turkey with a 30-06?
If you can hit where you aim and you know where to aim you will destroy no breast whatsoever. Iíve killed many a hen to eat in the fall with never any waste. I never considered it unethical, maybe the turkey did though.
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Old 04-21-2020, 07:41 PM   #46
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I want to know why the OP thinks that someone shooting a turkey with a rifle has any influence on what he chooses to shoot them with ? Is there only one turkey on his lease?




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Old 04-21-2020, 07:51 PM   #47
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bow or shotgun is safer , we tend to run and gun style in stead of blind hunting
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Maybe he meant "didn't knock any meat lose"

I quoted myself for the correction so I can answer that question..
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So when did it change?
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Old 04-22-2020, 07:30 AM   #50
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So when did it change?

Been that way for a good while for Rios. I remember confirming in 2010-2011 ish when I took a kid hunting and I brought my 17HMR in case one hung up too far for his 20 ga. Iím not sure how long ago it changed or if it was ever illegal honestly. Prior to that we had only used shotgun or bow only so never had to check..

Easterns are shotgun or bow/crossbow only iirc.

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