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Old 04-13-2021, 05:12 PM   #1
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FROM WBAP 820AM: ERCOT is requesting energy conservation. Consumers and businesses are urged to reduce electricity use this afternoon and evening. Reply STOP to quit
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Old 04-13-2021, 05:26 PM   #2
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I saw that. The hell they talking about?


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Old 04-13-2021, 05:32 PM   #3
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Not windy enough outside to generate electricity.
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Old 04-13-2021, 05:40 PM   #4
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Not nothing. They are shy of kicking in ancillary services after the fiasco they created. $$$.
http://www.ercot.com/content/cdr/htm...onditions.html
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Old 04-13-2021, 05:43 PM   #5
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Just look at south ties. Going into mexico. All negative. Not positive.
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Old 04-13-2021, 05:47 PM   #6
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Slowly conditioning the privileged to accept frequent power loss in the future?
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Old 04-13-2021, 06:03 PM   #7
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Learning to live in a 2 tier country has me wondering WTH happen to the USA and Texas
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Old 04-13-2021, 06:32 PM   #8
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Learning to live in a 2 tier country has me wondering WTH happen to the USA and Texas
It's embarrassing. Should have listened to the rednecks all these years. Oh well, the millenials have it under control
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Old 04-13-2021, 06:46 PM   #9
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it ain't even close to hot yet ....
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Old 04-13-2021, 06:48 PM   #10
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Yup. 3rd world problems.
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Old 04-13-2021, 06:49 PM   #11
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Old 04-13-2021, 06:50 PM   #12
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It's embarrassing. Should have listened to the rednecks all these years. Oh well, the millenials have it under control
You mean the rednecks that said it cost too much to build a decent system like the rest of the country? Only other place I've lived that's been so crappy with power is commiefornia, and that was only cause we lived on base. This is absolutely embarassing.
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Old 04-13-2021, 08:03 PM   #13
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Hmmmmm, just wait till this summer when it gets hot. Better hope for a mild summer.
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Old 04-13-2021, 08:09 PM   #14
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How's that "green energy" thingy working out ??????
Somebody out here in Eastland, needs to put in a
Generac Store............
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Old 04-13-2021, 08:28 PM   #15
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HVT or High Voltage Transmission lines require maintenance/rebuild/cut ins from new substations, etc. In order to perform this work, circuits must be de-energized, or, a planned outage. ERCOT does not allow planned outages from June through September due to the Texas heat and the high demand for electricity. Therefore, to perform all the work that is needed on the thousands of miles of transmission lines across the state and/or plants, it has to be done in a certain time frame. Typically the fall through spring. When you experience warmer than normal temperatures during these planned outages, it can cause a strain on the grid. Come summer time, there will be no outages and the grid will be at full capacity. It’s really that simple.
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Old 04-13-2021, 08:28 PM   #16
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It’s almost like the Californians are bringing the rolling black ours with them.
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Old 04-13-2021, 08:37 PM   #17
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HVT or High Voltage Transmission lines require maintenance/rebuild/cut ins from new substations, etc. In order to perform this work, circuits must be de-energized, or, a planned outage. ERCOT does not allow planned outages from June through September due to the Texas heat and the high demand for electricity. Therefore, to perform all the work that is needed on the thousands of miles of transmission lines across the state and/or plants, it has to be done in a certain time frame. Typically the fall through spring. When you experience warmer than normal temperatures during these planned outages, it can cause a strain on the grid. Come summer time, there will be no outages and the grid will be at full capacity. Itís really that simple.
So that leaves us with "high demand" in summer and winter so expect blackouts and then we have to maintain the rest of the year so expect blackouts.

Dang third world countries....ooops.
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Old 04-13-2021, 08:39 PM   #18
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Third world, we have discussed this before during the ice event.

I’ve already installed 5k btu window AC’s in a couple of rooms as prep. I’ll run them off generator or lithium/solar
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Old 04-13-2021, 08:42 PM   #19
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Can we have power on Tuesday and Thursday!
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Old 04-13-2021, 08:49 PM   #20
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So that leaves us with "high demand" in summer and winter so expect blackouts and then we have to maintain the rest of the year so expect blackouts.

Dang third world countries....ooops.
I have no idea what you just said.
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Old 04-13-2021, 09:03 PM   #21
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Any of y'all thinking this is a 3rd world country need to go back and revisit a real 3rd world country because you have definitely forgot.
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Old 04-13-2021, 09:08 PM   #22
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Old 04-13-2021, 09:41 PM   #23
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HVT or High Voltage Transmission lines require maintenance/rebuild/cut ins from new substations, etc. In order to perform this work, circuits must be de-energized, or, a planned outage. ERCOT does not allow planned outages from June through September due to the Texas heat and the high demand for electricity. Therefore, to perform all the work that is needed on the thousands of miles of transmission lines across the state and/or plants, it has to be done in a certain time frame. Typically the fall through spring. When you experience warmer than normal temperatures during these planned outages, it can cause a strain on the grid. Come summer time, there will be no outages and the grid will be at full capacity. Itís really that simple.
I understand where you are coming from, but temps aren't above normal in most of the state
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Old 04-13-2021, 10:13 PM   #24
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Come summer time, there will be no outages and the grid will be at full capacity. Itís really that simple.
You appear to have a good grasp on the situation,and i hope you are correct. But gonna hold ya to the above comment
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Old 04-13-2021, 10:33 PM   #25
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You appear to have a good grasp on the situation,and i hope you are correct. But gonna hold ya to the above comment

If we have an unplanned outage in the summer, Iíll buy you a 12pk of your favorite


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Old 04-13-2021, 10:39 PM   #26
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I have no idea what you just said.

it just means there is an excuse for the full year now.

summer it's high demand for A/C and in the winter it's high demand for heating and in the off seasons there needs to be maintenance so the demand will be more than the supply because lines are down.
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Old 04-13-2021, 10:48 PM   #27
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it just means there is an excuse for the full year now.

summer it's high demand for A/C and in the winter it's high demand for heating and in the off seasons there needs to be maintenance so the demand will be more than the supply because lines are down.

Itís been that way for a long time. And the demand isnít as high in the winter because a lot of people have gas or propane to heat with during the winter so the electricity consumption isnít as high, as a whole.


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Old 04-13-2021, 11:43 PM   #28
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I miss the days when every town had their own local power plant - and they were actual electricity generation plants, not windmills or solar farms.
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Old 04-14-2021, 07:49 AM   #29
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I miss the days when every town had their own local power plant - and they were actual electricity generation plants, not windmills or solar farms.
I've said for a while that decentralization would help alot of small towns and even in the long run big city's. Instead of relying on hubs that do specialization, if small parts of industry were local, even just to supplement, itd really help economies and ease things. Like every town having some farms, power plants, etc. But modern trade is specialization and moving goods.
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Old 04-14-2021, 07:56 AM   #30
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There was a lot of generation offline yesterday. Its maintenance time and even worse this year after the winter storm. All is fine
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Old 04-14-2021, 08:27 AM   #31
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HVT or High Voltage Transmission lines require maintenance/rebuild/cut ins from new substations, etc. In order to perform this work, circuits must be de-energized, or, a planned outage. ERCOT does not allow planned outages from June through September due to the Texas heat and the high demand for electricity. Therefore, to perform all the work that is needed on the thousands of miles of transmission lines across the state and/or plants, it has to be done in a certain time frame. Typically the fall through spring. When you experience warmer than normal temperatures during these planned outages, it can cause a strain on the grid. Come summer time, there will be no outages and the grid will be at full capacity. Itís really that simple.
I fully understand and what you said is accurate. But when outages are planned on generators or transmission lines a contingency plan has to be filed in advance and approved by ercot. So ercot has the final word. Deregulation was a step in the wrong direction. Did anyone's price per kwh go down ?
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Old 04-14-2021, 10:27 AM   #32
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We have a unit supposed to come back online today, new relay installs kicking our hiney right now.
Spring outage season, an annual event.


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Itís been that way for a long time. And the demand isnít as high in the winter because a lot of people have gas or propane to heat with during the winter so the electricity consumption isnít as high, as a whole.


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Sleepy is on point. Winter demand in Texas is nothing compared to summer demand, normally. The few days this winter were obviously a massive anomaly. Outages are planned in winter and / or what we call shoulder months (March,. October) , but not in summer.
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Old 04-14-2021, 12:37 PM   #35
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The wind is not blowing and the firm load plants are doing maintenance. Too much renewable. The answer is rather obvious to those of us in the industry. Why ERCOT can't figure it out is just sad.
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Old 04-14-2021, 12:41 PM   #36
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Something folk ain’t understanding. We have been told for years our Texas power system’s poop don’t stink. Eventhough population has increased so have the number of power options, nuclear, fossil, wind, solar, and such. Couple that with almost every household has higher seer air systems, led lights, and energy star electronics.

What they should specifically say is “don’t run your clothes dryer today”.

Third World, y’all better prepare !
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Old 04-14-2021, 02:08 PM   #37
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Itís almost like the Californians are bringing the rolling black ours with them.


And our governor canít invite them by the droves any faster.


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Old 04-14-2021, 02:16 PM   #38
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Old 04-14-2021, 02:42 PM   #39
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Wait till they start shutting down plants to winterize. They better start building more plants.
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Old 04-14-2021, 02:55 PM   #40
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The statement they posted, stated that they scheduled maintenance on their power plants yesterday expecting a cold front (that stalled and did not come in until last night) to provide cooler temps and the power demand to be light. Instead, it was hot yesterday which resulted in more power being pulled from fewer running power plants. IMO makes me question the poor planning, yet again.
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Old 04-14-2021, 04:23 PM   #41
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Heads need to roll. You boys can try to explain it all you want. We have more energy sources available here in our own state than pretty well anyone else and the workers to make it efficient. DO IT. Build better plants. Make it reliable.
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Heads need to roll. You boys can try to explain it all you want. We have more energy sources available here in our own state than pretty well anyone else and the workers to make it efficient. DO IT. Build better plants. Make it reliable.
I agree with this 100%, well said.
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Old 04-14-2021, 05:33 PM   #43
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Heads need to roll. You boys can try to explain it all you want. We have more energy sources available here in our own state than pretty well anyone else and the workers to make it efficient. DO IT. Build better plants. Make it reliable.
If they didn't roll all of those heads yet, it may never happen.

Today's reason is maintenance, but I'm sure their trump card excuse is climate change.
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