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Old 10-18-2019, 09:00 AM   #1
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Default What percent of archery shots result in recovered animal?

This year we have lost 2 out of 11 deer shot. Of the 9 found 1 was pure luck it was found. At least 3 "sure shots" were for sure pushed and jumped.

Take your time after the shot no matter how great of a shot you think/know you made. Be quiet and if not a massive blood trail then back out. Doesn't hurt to wait!

And at least 2 shots ended up being near perfect and had zero blood trail. Both were pass through shots.


What are everyone else's shot/recovery rates this year?
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Old 10-18-2019, 09:02 AM   #2
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I've never failed to recover an animal i have shot with my bow.... I found all three of them

EDIT: Insufficient sample size, I know. Joking
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Old 10-18-2019, 09:05 AM   #3
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I think if the honest results were actually published the old Texas Trophy Hunters cartoon may not get scoffed at as much.
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Old 10-18-2019, 09:09 AM   #4
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I think if the honest results were actually published the old Texas Trophy Hunters cartoon may not get scoffed at as much.
Wait... Do you mean that every deer killed, whether found or not, aren't posted to social media? Isn't there some kind of internet rule about that?
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Old 10-18-2019, 09:18 AM   #5
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I’m at 100%. I’ve lost 0 of the 0 deer I have shot so far.
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Old 10-18-2019, 09:21 AM   #6
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Would be interesting to know the percentage of archery recoveries as related to percentage of rifle recoveries.
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Old 10-18-2019, 09:27 AM   #7
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I know Oklahome did a study on one of their WMA's several years ago using collared deer. The wounding rate was 50% but only about 20% of the wounded animals actually died. I think it may have been traditional equipment only also. Been a long time since I read the paper.
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Old 10-18-2019, 09:29 AM   #8
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Not bragging at all, and knock on wood it continues, but around 30 for 30 (including exotics) for me so far. I would guess the actual number is around 90-95%?
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Old 10-18-2019, 09:36 AM   #9
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I believe we shot 5 deer last year on our place. 4 were recovered right away. One showed back up alive and well and was arrowed again a few weeks later. Over the years I would say we are running at about 80%.
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Old 10-18-2019, 09:37 AM   #10
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we're 0 for 1 on our place.

We don't have a lot of deer though so if we stick 2 in a year we had a hella year lol
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Old 10-18-2019, 09:38 AM   #11
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We are 9/9 so far but one of the does we didn't find until the next day, she only went 100 yards but no blood.

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Old 10-18-2019, 09:48 AM   #12
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We are about like you, We have shot 16 and found 14. We jumped one, the shot looked perfect right behind the shoulder as it ran off, the other one, no blood other than on the arrow.
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Old 10-18-2019, 09:49 AM   #13
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I always wait 30 minutes before I get out of my stand, unless I see them DRT and shaking. I've lost some hogs but I really didn't look that hard for them.
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Old 10-18-2019, 09:57 AM   #14
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If your recovery rate is low, I suggest practicing. You owe it to the animals you are hunting to make the most ethical and lethal shot possible. I know it happens, but if it happens often for you, you're in the wrong game.
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Old 10-18-2019, 09:59 AM   #15
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this season, 0-1 (still hurts)….last hunting season out in lake Brownwood 2-2...maybe it's the local...I miss that area!!!!
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Old 10-18-2019, 10:00 AM   #16
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Would be interesting to know the percentage of archery recoveries as related to percentage of rifle recoveries.
From my experience it's about the same. People with bows practice WAY more (usually). Guys with rifles tend to be over confident.
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Old 10-18-2019, 10:03 AM   #17
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my guess is that the average would be about 15-20% lost
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Old 10-18-2019, 10:04 AM   #18
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If your recovery rate is low, I suggest practicing. You owe it to the animals you are hunting to make the most ethical and lethal shot possible. I know it happens, but if it happens often for you, you're in the wrong game.
This!
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Old 10-18-2019, 10:04 AM   #19
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From my experience it's about the same. People with bows practice WAY more (usually). Guys with rifles tend to be over confident.
From my experience, it's overconfidence. Trying to make a perfect heart shot...the lungs are a tad larger... CENTER MASS!
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Old 10-18-2019, 10:10 AM   #20
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In my 30 years of bowhunting, I've lost more shot with a rifle than bow. Albeit it one and it was rushed and I never should have taken the shot.
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Old 10-18-2019, 10:13 AM   #21
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Was in the blind two nights ago with my 4 year old and my wife. She had her bow and was trying to get one of the 15+ does we have coming in regular. 15 minutes in the stand and they came in. Easy shot, 20 yards broadside. Doe lunged forward at shot and arrow hit gut, exited liver. My wife is an awesome shot with her bow regularly practicing out to 40 yards. Its just one of those things that happens.
Doe did three large circles slowing down each time with gut hanging out both entry and exit then crashed in a yaopon before taking off again. never found her even with a dog. she made it to a neighbor who will not give us permission to track on that side the fence.

So far this year, she is 0-1 and i have not released an arrow yet.
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Old 10-18-2019, 10:27 AM   #22
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My guess is it's lower than that I'd bet recovery is 60-65%. Before I grew up I pushed a lot of "dead" deer and lost them. I am now a shoot and wait guy. I am sure Tim will back this up!
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Old 10-18-2019, 10:28 AM   #23
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I have said it for years..
I would hate to be a deer during archery season..
To many yahoo's hunting with archery equipment, or any equipment for that matter, that refuse to put in the time and effort it takes learn their equipment, what it takes to be effective and efficient at killing with their chosen equipment.. There is a whole more that is required to be efficient at killing than some realize....
Example: We should NEVER, ok rarely, see a post describing "lack of penetration"!!! I know it happens frequently on "hunting shows" but honestly it should rarely be a issue with today's technology in bows and broadheads.. There is entirely to many hunters that are choosing speed over Kenetic energy for a flatter flight path as to help with them compensate for lack of practice and their lack of ability to judge distance.. Kinetic energy is second in importance only behind accuracy.. It's obvious that many do not get this..
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Old 10-18-2019, 10:36 AM   #24
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Iím in the 90% or more range for my archery career. Iíve only lost one doe over the years.

And to the rifle shooter questions... Iíve never lost a rifle shot animal. Iím not bragging by any means because it will probably happen this year if I was but I also donít take many (like 3 maybe ever) shoulder/body shots. If I pull out the rifle to hunt, itís for meat purposes and I prefer the bang flop method.



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Old 10-18-2019, 10:38 AM   #25
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If your recovery rate is low, I suggest practicing. You owe it to the animals you are hunting to make the most ethical and lethal shot possible. I know it happens, but if it happens often for you, you're in the wrong game.
Yes practice and learn your equipment or quit. Bowhunting is not for everyone.. Also learn the skeletal structure and where the vitals lie on any animal you are hunting.. They are not all made alike. Especially African animals.
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Old 10-18-2019, 10:50 AM   #26
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Geez guys, if everyone would just use the "slash" arrows, or something similar, we'd all have 100% recovery
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Old 10-18-2019, 11:11 AM   #27
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Personally, between four or five antelope, a dozen or so whitetails, and a few hogs, Iíve lost two whitetail does. One hit (I donít have a clue where) in muscle judging by the arrow and lack of any bloodtrail. One gut shot (saw the arrow after the shot) because I hit the wire on the feeder pen. I learned two lessons there. Never shoot at a deer thatís looking at you and never shoot through the cattle panels. Ive lost a couple hogs but I donít count them simply because to me theyíre vermin. I donít bow hunt them, only take a shot if they show while Iím deer hunting. They screw up too many expensive arrows !
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Old 10-18-2019, 11:27 AM   #28
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In the 7 years we owned our hunting ranch we found 99% of the exotic deer anf 70% of the hogs using a dog.
We needed the dog on 40% of the deer and 50% of the hogs. There was no real difference between gun or bows.
Folks really seem to struggle with shooting too far back to the point when someone said they hit it "right behind the shoulder" I carried the dog and tracking gear when I went to pick them up.
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Old 10-18-2019, 11:47 AM   #29
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So many variables in this I bet. There are a lot of people who pull their bow out of the case to hunt and never practice. There are also a lot of knuckle heads that go buy a bow at academy and take it hunting the next day. There are also guys who practice religiously, and have very good luck. I bet the recovery rate fore experienced bowhunters who practice regularly and take it seriously is 90%.
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Old 10-18-2019, 12:07 PM   #30
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I am around 90% recovery on WT and that is with a rough start my first few years losing a few. I have recovered 12 of the last 13. I did however lose 2 impala’s earlier this year in Africa so even with tons of practice and confidence it happens. My average on pigs is probably 70% mainly because I don’t look as hard if I don’t plan on cleaning. Patience and good tracking skills make a huge difference.
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Old 10-18-2019, 12:14 PM   #31
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I'm in the 90% on whitetail, 50% on elk but that was my fault for going in to soon after the shot and bumping up the bedded bull 50 yds from where I shot. I knew it was a good shot with bloody arrow but not heart or double lung my opinion was lung and liver and of course afterwards reading on elk wait 6 hrs......they have alot of blood.....
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Old 10-18-2019, 12:17 PM   #32
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Big advantage I've had on whitetail is being elevated, and fairly open to either watch them drop or know exactly where to go look.
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Old 10-18-2019, 12:19 PM   #33
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I actually lost more when I rifle hunted, much longer shots and reading all the articles I went heart lungs but once I started front shoulder never lost one dropped right there.
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Old 10-18-2019, 12:20 PM   #34
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This post has me thinking about my personal rate of recovery of arrowed animals over the last 40 years of bow hunting. I wished now that I would have kept a journal with a running record of this very topic.

Three whitetail non-recovered stand out, none more than my last years Mexico bruiser, then the one before that was 2011's (Accepting the bad days as I do the good days - Part 2 thread) that I ended up stumbling across 2 months later.

But Buff's above post puts a little different twist to it. Out of all my kills, how many did I have to turn Buzz loose on to help me locate? And if I would not have had Buzz, would I have eventually found those? I do believe with more and more tracking dogs out there and handlers willing to offer a their service's, the percentage of not recovering a wounded animal has dropped......

All I know is when I don't recover an animal that I get an arrow in, it really sticks with me hard!

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Old 10-18-2019, 12:23 PM   #35
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In Colorado with elk I would guess and say well over 50% of the time the shot was bad and either results in a lost animal or additional shots.
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Old 10-18-2019, 12:31 PM   #36
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I only remember losing one. A doe I had a complete pass through on several years ago. Shot looked perfect to me. Arrow was covered in blood, but only found a few drops on the ground. I've killed about 48 with my bow that have all been recovered. I guess I'm at 98%.


I've lost 3 with a rifle over the years
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Old 10-18-2019, 12:33 PM   #37
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When I started hunting in 1980 the success rate for archery was about 10%. Today with the new bows, arrows & broadheads I would guess the success rate is close to 70%. Way more information for the new hunters to glean knowledge from as opposed to the old trial by fire approach we used in the old days. Still there is no better way to improve your success rate than practice, practice, practice. Most hunters that wound game consistently take marginal shoots and get gassed up before releasing the arrow.
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Old 10-18-2019, 01:01 PM   #38
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I have said it for years..
I would hate to be a deer during archery season..
To many yahoo's hunting with archery equipment, or any equipment for that matter, that refuse to put in the time and effort it takes learn their equipment, what it takes to be effective and efficient at killing with their chosen equipment.. There is a whole more that is required to be efficient at killing than some realize....
Example: We should NEVER, ok rarely, see a post describing "lack of penetration"!!! I know it happens frequently on "hunting shows" but honestly it should rarely be a issue with today's technology in bows and broadheads.. There is entirely to many hunters that are choosing speed over Kenetic energy for a flatter flight path as to help with them compensate for lack of practice and their lack of ability to judge distance.. Kinetic energy is second in importance only behind accuracy.. It's obvious that many do not get this..
Hi - just curious - what is your recommendation on how many joules of KE you think is appropriate? I'm new to archery and just figured my J is = to 109, if I did the math correctly. Arrows are 8.6 GPI at 29.5", plus a 100g broadhead = 353.7 g, and my bow is rated at 340 fps, but I took it down to 320 since I'm 28.5" draw at 70#. Thoughts?
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I've been hunting dang near all my life but have only been a bowhunter for 15 years. I've killed countless deer with a rifle and never lost one but have only taken 8 deer with my bow. I consider myself very accurate with my bow out to 40-50 yds. With that said, I have lost two deer in my 15 years of bowhunting. The first was a doe at 46 yds during the very first season with my bow. I had been practicing religiously and made a great shot on the doe. I learned a huge lesson on patience that season. She dropped only a few yards from the shot and I didn't see her moving so I climbed down after only a few minutes only to jump her up. Lost blood after 100 yds and looked for hours without success. The second one was last year when I took a quartered to shot that I knew I shouldn't take. It would have been my biggest buck ever taken with a gun or bow and I let my excitement cause me to make a bad decision. The hit was high and the buck survived and was shot on youth weekend on another property. I don't think I've ever lost a hog that I tried to find. I'm also curious what the actual percentage is on whitetail deer. I also wonder how many hunters make a bad shot and then never tell anybody.
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Hi - just curious - what is your recommendation on how many joules of KE you think is appropriate? I'm new to archery and just figured my J is = to 109, if I did the math correctly. Arrows are 8.6 GPI at 29.5", plus a 100g broadhead = 353.7 g, and my bow is rated at 340 fps, but I took it down to 320 since I'm 28.5" draw at 70#. Thoughts?
I don't use any formula or fancy calculation I just use common sense and experience and I'm not to worried about FPS either as I keep my shots to 35 yards and under.
I've never, in 40 years of bowhunting, shot a bow through a chrono.
When your arrow in sticking in the ground or lost in the brush because it blew through your target animal you are good...
I shoot 72lbs, 31.5 draw, arrow is 30.5" long @10.9 grains per inch, and 125 head.. 457gr. total weight.. Expandable or fixed blade,it doesn't matter, it blows through.. Even the upper shoulder blades.
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Old 10-18-2019, 01:39 PM   #41
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I picked up a bow for the first time in May of 2018. Nobody in my family or many of my friends hunt with a bow so it has been a big learning curve for me and have learned a lot from my mistakes. I felt adequate to go hunt last fall if my shots were kept in my comfort zone under 30yds. I ended up recovering 4/4 deer I shot, 3 does and a buck. The buck I feel especially lucky to find. I was at full draw for too long and my buck fever was through the roof. As soon as I let the arrow out..."****"....I hit it way further back that I would ever want to. I gave it 2 plus hours and my brother and I began trailing and ended up finding him after 500 yards of a decent blood trail. I know bad things can happen from a great shot so I count myself lucky to find him.

I have shot a lot of deer with a rifle and lost a few, mostly to my early years of hunting with a smaller caliber. But the bottom line is it happens at times to the best of hunters. All we can do is practice and be in tune with your equipment to give an animal a clean kill and yourself the best chance of recovery.

Enjoyed reading posts from long time bow hunters as I just have a small sample to share.
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Old 10-18-2019, 01:43 PM   #42
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I picked up a bow for the first time in May of 2018. Nobody in my family or many of my friends hunt with a bow so it has been a big learning curve for me and have learned a lot from my mistakes. I felt adequate to go hunt last fall if my shots were kept in my comfort zone under 30yds. I ended up recovering 4/4 deer I shot, 3 does and a buck. The buck I feel especially lucky to find. I was at full draw for too long and my buck fever was through the roof. As soon as I let the arrow out..."****"....I hit it way further back that I would ever want to. I gave it 2 plus hours and my brother and I began trailing and ended up finding him after 500 yards of a decent blood trail. I know bad things can happen from a great shot so I count myself lucky to find him.

I have shot a lot of deer with a rifle and lost a few, mostly to my early years of hunting with a smaller caliber. But the bottom line is it happens at times to the best of hunters. All we can do is practice and be in tune with your equipment to give an animal a clean kill and yourself the best chance of recovery.

Enjoyed reading posts from long time bow hunters as I just have a small sample to share.

30 yards in under is a very wise choice.. 4 for 4...
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Old 10-18-2019, 01:47 PM   #43
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Missing from a tree or ground blind that is most likely setup 20-30 yards from a feeder is a little silly. Missing is inevitable but that is as close as you can get to a perfect storm.

Missing a mule deer at 70 yards in high winds, off your knees, is easily explainable.
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Old 10-18-2019, 01:50 PM   #44
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I back strapped a doe a few years ago . It was my first time hunting out of a tree stand and I dropped my bow arm instead of bending at the waist. I lost a axis doe a couple years ago on a day lease she was looking at me when I shot and I hit her in the shoulder. Arrow passex through but she was almost facing away from me when it hit. The land owner dumped the dog on her 10 min after the shot and jumped her twice.. I always feel bad about losing an animal or if it takes one awhile to die..
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Missing from a tree or ground blind that is most likely setup 20-30 yards from a feeder is a little silly. Missing is inevitable but that is as close as you can get to a perfect storm.

Missing a mule deer at 70 yards in high winds, off your knees, is easily explainable.
When I first started bowhunting I was shaking so hard I thought I was gonna drop my bow so no it's not silly missing
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Old 10-18-2019, 01:59 PM   #46
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Missing from a tree or ground blind that is most likely setup 20-30 yards from a feeder is a little silly. Missing is inevitable but that is as close as you can get to a perfect storm.

Missing a mule deer at 70 yards in high winds, off your knees, is easily explainable.
Taking a 70 yard shot in high winds at any animal is as about as ignorant, irresponsible and unethical as it gets as a bow hunter..
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Old 10-18-2019, 02:53 PM   #47
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I am probably saying too much but I believe in some of what is posted above and strongly disagree with other points made. I am a bowhunter. I practice hard and I hunt hard. I have lost 4 whitetails out of about 25-30 that I have shot with a bow. Most of these when I was starting and less patient. I have learned and grown from those sleepless nights. I will say that even when well prepared....Murphy happens and deer move.

I now wait 30 minutes unless I see the animal fall. If I hear of see anything out of the ordinary at the shot I wait an hour. If an animal is shot and then jumped still alive my personal rule is three hours.

I recently helped track a deer that was jumped after the shot. We recovered him after being jumped and his eyes were still clear and bright. I honestly don't think he had been dead 15-20 minutes. When spending the kind of money we do to chase whitetails not waiting can get real expensive.

I have also gotten much better at tracking deer. Slow and steady.
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Old 10-18-2019, 02:53 PM   #48
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Taking a 70 yard shot in high winds at any animal is as about as ignorant, irresponsible and unethical as it gets as a bow hunter..
No doubt. Stuff happens at 15 yards. I've been bow hunting sense I was 10 years old, so I've made my share of mistakes. Most of them were in those first few years though. I can remember loosing 2 deer in the last 12 or 13 years. One of them appeared to be a great shot on a doe, and we just had no blood. Shot was on video, and that was the last deer I shot with a Montec. Then the second one was a nice buck I rushed the shot on. It was a cloudy morning, and took forever to get daylight. I turned my pin light on and tried the shot. I think the shot was a hair forward, so I let him lay a couple hours. Well on the way out there it started raining, and by the time we realized we had a problem it was too late. Called the dog, and the rain had him all confused. The neighbors found the deer a couple hundred yards from where we lost blood a few years later. He did a circle and went back the way he came and walked uphill down the fence line. Other than that I've been very fortunate, and prepared. I do also wonder how many rifle hunters think they miss because their deer runs off, and never even look...
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Old 10-18-2019, 03:00 PM   #49
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I have said it for years..
I would hate to be a deer during archery season..
To many yahoo's hunting with archery equipment, or any equipment for that matter, that refuse to put in the time and effort it takes learn their equipment, what it takes to be effective and efficient at killing with their chosen equipment.. There is a whole more that is required to be efficient at killing than some realize....
Example: We should NEVER, ok rarely, see a post describing "lack of penetration"!!! I know it happens frequently on "hunting shows" but honestly it should rarely be a issue with today's technology in bows and broadheads.. There is entirely to many hunters that are choosing speed over Kenetic energy for a flatter flight path as to help with them compensate for lack of practice and their lack of ability to judge distance.. Kinetic energy is second in importance only behind accuracy.. It's obvious that many do not get this..
Kinetic energy is based on speed. The term you're looking for is momentum.
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Experience matters. I recovered only 1 of the first 5 deer I ever shot at with my bow (1 was a clean miss). This was over about a 7 year stretch. I honestly almost gave up bow hunting because I had previously killed around 40 deer with a rifle without wounding a single one. I have so much respect for the deer I am hunting, that I wanted to give up.

From that point, I decided that for me to release an arrow at a deer, EVERYTHING had to be perfect. Deer posture, distance, confidence in bow setup, etc. I will not take a shot at a deer if he is further than 20 yds out (preferably 18 yds), deer has to be perfectly broad side without a leg in the way.

Since making these personal rules, I am 6 for my last 7 (I took a hard quartering away shot, which was a no-no for me, on the 1 wounded deer, puncturing one lung, but he survived).

Having wounded all of those deer has actually has made bow hunting more enjoyable for me. I used to get way stressed and ****** off when I would see a buck but didn't get a shot off. I now enjoy watching them walk away un-wounded knowing that I didn't take a shot where something could have gone wrong.
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