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Old 10-01-2019, 11:40 PM   #1
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Ok so I have taken two does with archery equipment same broadhead type and brand both had little to no blood trails what are your thoughts. I used schwacker two blade 100 gr 2 in cut for both deer o e from my compound one from my crossbow both did as advertised small hole in 2 in cut out. One was from 12 ft up a tree the one tonight was ground level. Both deer made it 100 to 150 yds and crashed. Thoughts? Where the arrow entered on tonight's doe is in pic
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Old 10-01-2019, 11:46 PM   #2
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I can’t tell very well exactly where that shot placement would be but I know I’ve shot a couple deer and the entry and exit were kinda high and there wasn’t much blood. Like the cavity filled up but not enough to spill out. Not sure man, sorry for no help.
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Old 10-01-2019, 11:57 PM   #3
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A lot to do with kinetic energy imo. Are your arrows pretty light? About four years ago I went from a 8 to 11 gpi arrow with a nice outsert to increase FOC and the difference was unreal. Same bow, poundage, broadhead etc. yes a fast arrow will zip through a whitetail deer but if there’s no KE wont not cause the hemorrhage that leaves blood trails. I relate it to poking a hole in lung vs blowing a hole through the lungs. Both are gonna die. One a lot quicker and graphically than the other. GL ��
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Old 10-02-2019, 12:05 AM   #4
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I canít tell very well exactly where that shot placement would be but I know Iíve shot a couple deer and the entry and exit were kinda high and there wasnít much blood. Like the cavity filled up but not enough to spill out. Not sure man, sorry for no help.
Shot was right in the triangle of the shoulder almost dead center slight quarter towards me both lungs full of blood, blood coming from nose/mouth blood all down both sides of the deer. Yet specks of blood for the trail. Where she did the death wobble there was blood everywhere looked like what I would have expected with the shot placement
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Old 10-02-2019, 12:08 AM   #5
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A lot to do with kinetic energy imo. Are your arrows pretty light? About four years ago I went from a 8 to 11 gpi arrow with a nice outsert to increase FOC and the difference was unreal. Same bow, poundage, broadhead etc. yes a fast arrow will zip through a whitetail deer but if thereís no KE wont not cause the hemorrhage that leaves blood trails. I relate it to poking a hole in lung vs blowing a hole through the lungs. Both are gonna die. One a lot quicker and graphically than the other. GL ��
not sure both bows I had were used and already set up from previous owner I figured they shoot great why change it . The part that is throwing me off is o only get bad blood on deer. Have no issues with pigs bleeding
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Old 10-02-2019, 05:31 AM   #6
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Not trying to start a broadhead debate this is just my opinion. I donít think thereís anything wrong with Shwackers they are a proven broadhead. My opinion is- you only have 1 2 inch gash really for blood to come out of- With shots to the deadly V you have shoulder muscle covering that gash in the ribs. Blood would really only come out when the holes in the shoulder and ribs align which as a deer is running is not very much time. Combine that with the fact the hole in the shoulder itself being only one linear cut seals over pretty easy as those muscles tighten- lastly, if the exit is any higher than bottom 3rd. Thatís lots of cavity that has to fill up first


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Old 10-02-2019, 05:43 AM   #7
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I shoot Shwackers myself, 125gr. Shoot them about 5 inches further back and Stevie Wonder will be able to follow the blood trail.. They are lethal and tuff.
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Old 10-02-2019, 05:58 AM   #8
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both did as advertised small hole in 2 in cut out.
I thought these MH's open upon impact.
So, shouldn't there be a 2" cut going in as well?
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Old 10-02-2019, 06:10 AM   #9
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I thought these MH's open upon impact.
So, shouldn't there be a 2" cut going in as well?
Mechanical broadheads are not all the same. Swackers donít open until the blades enter the hide
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Old 10-02-2019, 06:14 AM   #10
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Not trying to start a broadhead debate this is just my opinion. I donít think thereís anything wrong with Shwackers they are a proven broadhead. My opinion is- you only have 1 2 inch gash really for blood to come out of- With shots to the deadly V you have shoulder muscle covering that gash in the ribs. Blood would really only come out when the holes in the shoulder and ribs align which as a deer is running is not very much time. Combine that with the fact the hole in the shoulder itself being only one linear cut seals over pretty easy as those muscles tighten- lastly, if the exit is any higher than bottom 3rd. Thatís lots of cavity that has to fill up first


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This. Plus it also seems to me that itís harder to spot blood when the ground is really dry.
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Old 10-02-2019, 07:08 AM   #11
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Mechanical broadheads are not all the same. Swackers donít open until the blades enter the hide
That is not always the truth... On a broadside shot the entry will be smaller but on a quartering shot the entry can be huge, 3"-4" long.. Been there, done it.
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Old 10-02-2019, 07:19 AM   #12
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In my opinion you are shooting too far forward. Shoot a few inches further back I think your set up is fine. Shooting further back you will direct hit heart/lungs and see a pass through and (2) 2" holes the paint the landscape with. Congrats on the deer!
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A lot to do with kinetic energy imo. Are your arrows pretty light? About four years ago I went from a 8 to 11 gpi arrow with a nice outsert to increase FOC and the difference was unreal. Same bow, poundage, broadhead etc. yes a fast arrow will zip through a whitetail deer but if thereís no KE wont not cause the hemorrhage that leaves blood trails. I relate it to poking a hole in lung vs blowing a hole through the lungs. Both are gonna die. One a lot quicker and graphically than the other. GL ��


KE effects penetration, it has no effect on hemorrhage.
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Old 10-02-2019, 07:40 AM   #14
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KE effects penetration, it has no effect on hemorrhage.
Tis true
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Old 10-02-2019, 07:54 AM   #15
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Shot was right in the triangle of the shoulder almost dead center slight quarter towards me both lungs full of blood, blood coming from nose/mouth blood all down both sides of the deer. Yet specks of blood for the trail. Where she did the death wobble there was blood everywhere looked like what I would have expected with the shot placement
sounds like the chest cavity is needing to fill up before much blood is draining out. If elevated one hole is higher than the other
ground level the holes are typically fairly even.
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Old 10-02-2019, 07:59 AM   #16
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Shot placement and angle of the entrance and exit (if there is an exit wound) are what determines the bloodtrail. pure and simple.
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Old 10-02-2019, 08:01 AM   #17
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Not trying to start a broadhead debate this is just my opinion. I donít think thereís anything wrong with Shwackers they are a proven broadhead. My opinion is- you only have 1 2 inch gash really for blood to come out of- With shots to the deadly V you have shoulder muscle covering that gash in the ribs. Blood would really only come out when the holes in the shoulder and ribs align which as a deer is running is not very much time. Combine that with the fact the hole in the shoulder itself being only one linear cut seals over pretty easy as those muscles tighten- lastly, if the exit is any higher than bottom 3rd. Thatís lots of cavity that has to fill up first


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this is what i was thinking too....
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Old 10-02-2019, 08:08 AM   #18
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as others have mentioned, you are shooting a bit too forward. plus, if the the entry and exit are high, the blood will fill the cavity rather than bleeding out. congrats on the successful kill.
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Old 10-02-2019, 10:57 AM   #19
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[QUOTE=sectxag06;14405926]as others have mentioned, you are shooting a bit too forward. plus, if the the entry and exit are high, the blood will fill the cavity rather than bleeding out. congrats on the successful

If the deer were quartered to me wouldn't I want to shoot further to the front the the animal vs going back and getting a gut shot?
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Old 10-02-2019, 11:03 AM   #20
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Perfect shot placement imo a little farther back would still get the job done but thats where i aim 90% of the time. Maybe a hair lower.
Thats why the call it the deadly V. Put it there and they usually dont go far.
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Old 10-02-2019, 11:40 AM   #21
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Good vs Bad Blood trails have so many different factors 2 holes vs one, angles, shot placement, etc. Some animals just bleed more than others or some just don't run far enough to start pumping blood out. There are many different factors that come in effect with bow hunting. I started off bowhunting with Shwackers and I never got good blood trails out of them especially if I didn't get an exit. My buddy hit a deer with a crossbow shooting shwackers, got pass thru, double lung, and still very little blood. We did recover that deer though. I Had a cousin shoot a doe with a raptor trick (very similar design) and had the same results. We switched over to Grim Reapers and had better results and continue to use them, however fixed blades with heavy arrows have been more effective on shots to the bone and getting 2 holes vs one.
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Old 10-02-2019, 12:23 PM   #22
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I've killed half a dozen deer with schwackers and none of them ever bled. Most of them ran 70-100 yards. Always small entry and ok exit. I always come back to my tried and true grizz tricks that always leave blood and hardly ever have an animal go more than 50 yards. I tend to also shoot forward through the shoulders in the V and they usually do not go far but have had better luck shooting fixed heads for that area of the vitals.
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Old 10-02-2019, 07:03 PM   #23
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Went back and found the bolt from last night went about 20 yards past the shot no damage to head or bolt

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Old 10-02-2019, 07:28 PM   #24
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It has to be the POI and angle of the shot, entry/exit. A 2" cut, no matter the broadhead brand or type should let copious amounts of blood.
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Old 10-02-2019, 07:59 PM   #25
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This one was in left shoulder out right side 3in back from shoulder but it was an inch over the half way point on the chest
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