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Old 02-11-2020, 11:10 AM   #1
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Shooting a 420 grain arrow at approx 285 FPS from my Mathews halon.

Normally shoot wasp jackhammers with excellent success. Outfitters are not fans Of mechanicals but I love them.

Was told the 3 blade rage chisel tip is the way to go.

Anyone have any experience with mechanicals on big game?
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Old 02-11-2020, 11:13 AM   #2
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Would use a no collar +p, trypan, or no collar hypodermic. My experiences, killed zebra with the original 2 blade, and have watched 10 red deer get shot with them as well
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Old 02-11-2020, 11:14 AM   #3
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I shot all my African game with Rage Trypans. Ph was fine with those and actually had ine of the other hunters buy a pack from me.

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Old 02-11-2020, 11:15 AM   #4
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I’m a mech guy for deer but that could change this year to even heavier setup with COC fixed single bevel. Even though I trust my setup with mechs I would not do so if I went on an Elk hunt, which is also in my near future. IMO it’s worth it to get a good COC fixed head that has a better chance of making two holes. Those outfitters don’t like mechs for a reason and they do it for a living... Good luck on hunt!
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Old 02-11-2020, 11:15 AM   #5
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i'd go with the grim reapers with the this tip

should do awesome
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Old 02-11-2020, 11:22 AM   #6
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I'm a big mechanical fan but recently have when to hybrids. However, I'd stick with fixed blades for elk, the only excuse for failure will be user error with fixed. I killed my bull and african game with the QAD Exodus 125 grain with swept blades.
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Old 02-11-2020, 11:27 AM   #7
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i'd go with the grim reapers with the this tip

should do awesome
I have shot those and there my 2nd favorite. The same one with the trocar tip is better IMO.
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Old 02-11-2020, 11:32 AM   #8
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That is a real light arrow to be shooting at real big game especially with a mech
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Old 02-11-2020, 11:35 AM   #9
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I shot a huge aoudad with a rocket 125 steelhead
Passed through and stuck in ground.
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Old 02-11-2020, 11:35 AM   #10
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I used a grim reaper on my elk this year. I went with the 1 3/8" head versus the 2" I use on whitetail.
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Old 02-11-2020, 11:37 AM   #11
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My brother shot one with a rage hypo - did not get deep enough to kill it . Had to shoot it latter with his rifle
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Old 02-11-2020, 11:54 AM   #12
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Check out Grizzly sticks, you will thank me later
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Old 02-11-2020, 12:11 PM   #13
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I would listen to your outfitter and also agree your arrows sound a little light.
Most elk hunting is in timber, not all. I would wonder what happens to that mech. if you hit a small twig, will it deploy then ?
Cut on contact broadheads work great on elk. I don't like the chisel tip ones, they punch through instead of cutting.
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Old 02-11-2020, 12:43 PM   #14
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I would listen to your outfitter and also agree your arrows sound a little light.
Most elk hunting is in timber, not all. I would wonder what happens to that mech. if you hit a small twig, will it deploy then ?
Cut on contact broadheads work great on elk. I don't like the chisel tip ones, they punch through instead of cutting.
I'm hunting red deer. about 500 lbs.....big but not gigantic. Bull Elk are quite a bit bigger.
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Old 02-11-2020, 01:06 PM   #15
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Well that certainly makes a difference.
Good luck on the red deer !
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Old 02-11-2020, 01:15 PM   #16
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Shot elk with mechanicals and cut on contact, right placement= dead elk. When I guided elk hunters in Colorado, rifle hunters wounded more than bow hunters. If it doesn't drop, they assume they missed and don't go look. I had three elk waste on my property this year alone third rifle, hunting too close to boundaries, taking 500-600yard shots. So practice, be ethical, it's all you can do.

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Old 02-11-2020, 01:43 PM   #17
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Good ole Rage Hypodermics dropped this one in his tracks.




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Old 02-11-2020, 03:14 PM   #18
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Shoot a heavier arrow
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Old 02-12-2020, 08:32 AM   #19
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The 1 3/8 GR with Razor Tip would work great. As would a Grave Digger hybrid. I think both of these will penetrate better than any Rage. And like others have said, maybe try a heavier arrow. For years I shot an arrow similar to your arrow weight and frequently had penetration issues. Changed arrows and now shoot 515gr, and have blown through every deer for the last two years.
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Old 02-12-2020, 08:40 AM   #20
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QAD Exodus. Expandables "will work", but a good fixed head will work better, especially when hitting a rib closer to the shoulder, then needing that little bit more energy a fixed head carries to get to the vitals.
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Old 02-12-2020, 09:11 AM   #21
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My buddy @Covvboyz got a full pass through using Rage Chisel tip on his elk. Was 100gr head dont know what his total arrow weight was
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Old 02-12-2020, 09:18 AM   #22
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Ive shot several with that weight arrow and rocket steelheads on 1.5 rages. I never had a problem but have since switched to a 480-grain arrow.
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Old 02-12-2020, 10:00 AM   #23
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I lost what would have been my biggest bow kill in CO. was shooting 70 lbs , but my arrow was to light and I had a mechanical head. Hit him perfect at 40 yards for double lung. I got one lung and never saw him again. I now have two bows with two set ups. My CO setup is full length heavy arrow with 125 gr fixed muzzy. I found with fall away rest my fIxed fly fine. I have not lost another bull. Good luck!
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Old 02-14-2020, 09:20 AM   #24
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Ive shot several with that weight arrow and rocket steelheads on 1.5 rages. I never had a problem but have since switched to a 480-grain arrow.

my buddy has killed several elk with his rocket steelheads but its such a small cutting diameter.

my issue is I have such a short draw length, if I bump up weight I lose so much speed.


To date I have not had any penetration issues, everything I have shot has been a passthru.
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Old 02-14-2020, 10:12 AM   #25
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my buddy has killed several elk with his rocket steelheads but its such a small cutting diameter.

my issue is I have such a short draw length, if I bump up weight I lose so much speed.


To date I have not had any penetration issues, everything I have shot has been a passthru.
Im a short DL guy (28) and speed has always been a concern for me as well. But I still think slow and heavy trumps fast and light.
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Old 02-14-2020, 10:41 AM   #26
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But I still think slow and heavy trumps fast and light.
It does, oh, and slow is relative. Remember, lots of folks killing critters with stick bows
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Old 02-14-2020, 02:02 PM   #27
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If I was gonna shoot a mechanical it would be the Sevr 1.5 or 1.7(not the 2.1 for elk) or the Rage +P 1.5 cut. Have had good luck with these on elk and mule deer. The Grim Reaper Fatal Steel has also been a good one for penetration for a mechanical!
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Old 02-14-2020, 03:12 PM   #28
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I've killed several elk with the Rage Hypodermics. Worked like a charm. My elk guide in New Mexico swears by them.
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Old 02-14-2020, 03:25 PM   #29
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I've killed several elk with the Rage Hypodermics. Worked like a charm. My elk guide in New Mexico swears by them.
Ive seen the 2in Hypos work also but have seen a lack of penetration on 2 occasions on elk around 40 yds hit behind the shoulder(but we did recover both elk) out of bows producing more energy than mine so I steer clear of them for my 27.5 draw. I believe its due to the Hypos steep blade angle.
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Old 02-14-2020, 06:34 PM   #30
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Shot a red stag at 58 yards with the exact same arrow weight and speed as you have. Was using a 100 gr spittfire and got a full pass through.
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Old 02-14-2020, 07:11 PM   #31
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I wouldn't hardly reccomend a mechanical for elk size game. But if I was going to I'd say either the Sevr or one of the new rages like the trypans
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Old 02-14-2020, 08:05 PM   #32
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5 bulls killed.

4 of those killed with a 100 grain 2 blade Rage type head (Gator XP) - none went more than 75 yards.

1 was killed with a 100 grain slick trick and had to track him over a mile.

I shoot a slow bow and have never had a problem with penetration with a 100 Rage type head grain head.

I'll never go back to a fixed head.
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Old 02-14-2020, 08:47 PM   #33
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5 bulls killed.

4 of those killed with a 100 grain 2 blade Rage type head (Gator XP) - none went more than 75 yards.

1 was killed with a 100 grain slick trick and had to track him over a mile.

I shoot a slow bow and have never had a problem with penetration with a 100 Rage type head grain head.

I'll never go back to a fixed head.


I just have more confidence in mechanical heads. Every animal I have shot with a mechanical ( not a ton of animals but prolly around 10 animals ) have died quickly even when shot placement has been marginal.

The only animal I have personally seen shot with a fixed head was a good shot but still ran further than expected. No doubt a fixed blade works but I just like the bigger cutting diameter and accuracy afforded by mechanicals.

The only reason i'm considering the rage is I do believe a slip cam design will penetrate more than a over the top design. I've always shot Rocket Sidewinders and Wasp Jackhammers
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Old 02-14-2020, 08:57 PM   #34
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I used a Rage 2 blade on both of them

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