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Old 02-04-2020, 01:38 PM   #101
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There are brave Chinese citizens trying to get the word out. This link contains a lot of info and videos (probably more than you want to go through) but here's the upshot: A guy in Wuhan named Fang Bin went around to 5 hospitals and some funeral homes secretly videoing what he saw. The hospitals were with crammed with patients - many dead or dying. He saw piles of people in body bags. He put the videos on line and sure enough his last video was of cops breaking down his door to arrest him - he was able to hit send before they got him

https://chinachange.org/2020/02/03/g...bruary-1-2020/
Interesting and thanks for posting the link.
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Old 02-04-2020, 01:42 PM   #102
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While I certainly feel for the young lady and hope she makes its out. I don't think our prayers do much in the way of changing God's will, what's gonna happen is gonna happen. I don't mean to sound cold but I quit praying for an outcome now its more so for understanding. .
Just not accurate. God's will is ever changing according to people. Jesus told us to pray, why? Just to waste our breath? Of course not. The Bible tells us that the prayers of a righteous man shall accomplish much. Jeremiah chap. 18 talks about God changing His mind, good read. Calvinism is not accurate. Are there things that are going to happen no matter what, absolutely, He tells us of future events but how they happen is still a mystery to us.
The millions of lives that have been changed by prayer will tell you that prayer matters.
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Have you seen the videos of the Chinese soldiers wearing HAZMAT gear patrolling the streets with their rifles? Scary stuff. It is getting bad over there. Lots of leaks and info coming out on Reddit.
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While I certainly feel for the young lady and hope she makes its out. I don't think our prayers do much in the way of changing God's will, what's gonna happen is gonna happen. I don't mean to sound cold but I quit praying for an outcome now its more so for understanding. .
Great point..
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Everyone on this thread except you I guess?
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Have you seen the videos of the Chinese soldiers wearing HAZMAT gear patrolling the streets with their rifles? Scary stuff. It is getting bad over there. Lots of leaks and info coming out on Reddit.
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Old 02-04-2020, 01:51 PM   #107
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There are brave Chinese citizens trying to get the word out. This link contains a lot of info and videos (probably more than you want to go through) but here's the upshot: A guy in Wuhan named Fang Bin went around to 5 hospitals and some funeral homes secretly videoing what he saw. The hospitals were with crammed with patients - many dead or dying. He saw piles of people in body bags. He put the videos on line and sure enough his last video was of cops breaking down his door to arrest him - he was able to hit send before they got him

https://chinachange.org/2020/02/03/g...bruary-1-2020/
This just screams fake. From the crappy video quality to the video's of peoples heads only, the overly dramatic talking to himself inside his car.

Not saying people aren't getting sick and dying, but if anyone is objective, this site screams trust but verify first.
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Just not accurate. God's will is ever changing according to people. Jesus told us to pray, why? Just to waste our breath? Of course not. The Bible tells us that the prayers of a righteous man shall accomplish much. Jeremiah chap. 18 talks about God changing His mind, good read. Calvinism is not accurate. Are there things that are going to happen no matter what, absolutely, He tells us of future events but how they happen is still a mystery to us.
The millions of lives that have been changed by prayer will tell you that prayer matters.
I had to look up Calvinism but I speak from personal experience. Praying with expectation seems like a setup to be ****** off at the creator. Sorry to derail if you care to discuss feel free to PM me.
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This just screams fake. From the crappy video quality to the video's of peoples heads only, the overly dramatic talking to himself inside his car.
Maybe if the guys still alive and can film again we can tell him to aim his hidden camera a little better to get more body shots, and to use a Gro Pro Hero 8 with 4K.
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I had to look up Calvinism but I speak from personal experience. Praying with expectation seems like a setup to be ****** off at the creator. Sorry to derail if you care to discuss feel free to PM me.
pm sent. Let me know if you get it, my mail says no messages sent.
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pm sent. Let me know if you get it, my mail says no messages sent.
I did, contemplating now.
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Old 02-04-2020, 02:27 PM   #112
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Maybe if the guys still alive and can film again we can tell him to aim his hidden camera a little better to get more body shots, and to use a Gro Pro Hero 8 with 4K.
He is still alive according to the link you sent. He could aim better. But bottom line, a person could go and make a similar video in just about any Houston emergency room today, edit in voices, and then claim it was China. And the website is dedicated to exposing humans rights abuses in China. So they have some incentive to selectively edit videos. The ends would justify the means.

Again, not doubting people are dying or are sick, but sources need to be verified before they are believed.
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Old 02-04-2020, 02:55 PM   #113
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While I certainly feel for the young lady and hope she makes its out. I don't think our prayers do much in the way of changing God's will, what's gonna happen is gonna happen. I don't mean to sound cold but I quit praying for an outcome now its more so for understanding. .
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Great point..

Here's but one of MANY examples in the Bible of prayer changing God's mind and the outcome He had first planned...


Isa 38:1 In those days Hezekiah became mortally ill. And Isaiah the prophet the son of Amoz came to him and said to him, "Thus says the LORD, 'Set your house in order, for you shall die and not live.'"
Isa 38:2 Then Hezekiah turned his face to the wall and prayed to the LORD,
Isa 38:3 and said, "Remember now, O LORD, I beseech You, how I have walked before You in truth and with a whole heart, and have done what is good in Your sight." And Hezekiah wept bitterly.
Isa 38:4 Then the word of the LORD came to Isaiah, saying,
Isa 38:5 "Go and say to Hezekiah, 'Thus says the LORD, the God of your father David, "I have heard your prayer, I have seen your tears; behold, I will add fifteen years to your life.
Isa 38:6 "I will deliver you and this city from the hand of the king of Assyria; and I will defend this city."'
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Here's but one of MANY examples in the Bible of prayer changing God's mind and the outcome He had first planned...


Isa 38:1 In those days Hezekiah became mortally ill. And Isaiah the prophet the son of Amoz came to him and said to him, "Thus says the LORD, 'Set your house in order, for you shall die and not live.'"
Isa 38:2 Then Hezekiah turned his face to the wall and prayed to the LORD,
Isa 38:3 and said, "Remember now, O LORD, I beseech You, how I have walked before You in truth and with a whole heart, and have done what is good in Your sight." And Hezekiah wept bitterly.
Isa 38:4 Then the word of the LORD came to Isaiah, saying,
Isa 38:5 "Go and say to Hezekiah, 'Thus says the LORD, the God of your father David, "I have heard your prayer, I have seen your tears; behold, I will add fifteen years to your life.
Isa 38:6 "I will deliver you and this city from the hand of the king of Assyria; and I will defend this city."'
Amen
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Old 02-04-2020, 06:36 PM   #115
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I've seen it a couple of times on Instagram. Going to try and figure out a way to drop the link in here tonight.
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Old 02-05-2020, 04:42 PM   #116
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This story is popping up all over international news websites. FYI "Tencent" is a huge Chinese conglomerate holding company dealing in internet services and technology among other things

https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3871594
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This story is popping up all over international news websites. FYI "Tencent" is a huge Chinese conglomerate holding company dealing in internet services and technology among other things



https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3871594


“Accidentally”?

I’m largely unfamiliar with global economics on that scale, but I have to ask myself what they had to gain by licking that info.


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Old 02-05-2020, 06:26 PM   #118
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This story is popping up all over international news websites. FYI "Tencent" is a huge Chinese conglomerate holding company dealing in internet services and technology among other things

https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3871594
It’s fake. Tencent has no reason to have the real numbers. Turns out you can change the numbers yourself on the domain if you know what you are doing.
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Old 02-05-2020, 08:04 PM   #119
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Hard to tell the fake stuff the Chinese government is putting out from the fake stuff anybody with a keyboard is putting out
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This story is popping up all over international news websites. FYI "Tencent" is a huge Chinese conglomerate holding company dealing in internet services and technology among other things



https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3871594


Holy fecal matter, I hope that’s not legit... that is a death rate of almost 16%

Much higher than the 2% they are claiming.


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Hard to tell the fake stuff the Chinese government is putting out from the fake stuff anybody with a keyboard is putting out
If those numbers were real, we would have many more deaths abroad by now. So far it’s 2
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Hard to tell the fake stuff the Chinese government is putting out from the fake stuff anybody with a keyboard is putting out
It’s not that hard if you know how numbers work. It’s probably somewhere in the middle, but lower.
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somewhere in the middle huh? welp, now i know how numbers work.

mortality rate of 2% to 16%? something like that?
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Same can be said for our government and media outlets
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I am not sure what to think of the numbers going around for the mortality rate. if just taking reported deaths / reported cases it seems that could underestimate since a bunch of those reported cases may have just not enough time for disease to run its course and kill them. on the other hand I wonder if there are a bunch of people with the virus who have not been sick enough to requrie/receive treatment and then don't get counted in the denominator.
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Bloomberg reported this morning that those within the originating province of Hubei are 20x more likely to die from the virus than elsewhere due to the lack of treatment within the quarantine zone. The article title suggest that China sacrificed a province to save the world and pushed the "wet market" angle that the virus spread from tainted food, I think most people see it a bit differently.
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I am not sure what to think of the numbers going around for the mortality rate. if just taking reported deaths / reported cases it seems that could underestimate since a bunch of those reported cases may have just not enough time for disease to run its course and kill them. on the other hand I wonder if there are a bunch of people with the virus who have not been sick enough to requrie/receive treatment and then don't get counted in the denominator.
For a case to be added to China's official number they have to be tested positive on a local level and then positive by the province. That goes to the national level where it must be confirmed again. China has a drastic shortage of test kits. Many that die are just cremated and never diagnosed. Mortality percent is much higher than reported there. Also there are likely many thousands of cases that never see a Dr.
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Old 02-06-2020, 10:45 AM   #128
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https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/

Here is a rabbit hole of stuff. But this guy is mostly spot on. He walks the line between genius with what he finds and tin foil crack smoker. but on this topic I tend to believe hes spot on.
this is bad. China is covering it up.
The WHO is trying to get ahead of it.
We will see the fall out soon in the electronics and other parts that will stop flowing, if this is really this bad.
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update from my buddy this morning:

Hangzhou province has now been locked down to prevent the spread into Shanghai where it has the potential to affect 30% GDP. Shenzhen is probably next. The Shenzhen/Hong Kong border was sealed off yesterday. The local media's slogan currently is "life before money" with regards to the closures/quarantines/and province lockdowns. He says its spreading and getting extremely worse with every day.
Thats his 2cents for today.
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we are in the last days. Put all your hope and trust in the lord jesus christ.
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**** N95 Respiratory mask are going for almost $30 for a 2pk online now. Sellers market on those right now!
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**** N95 Respiratory mask are going for almost $30 for a 2pk online now. Sellers market on those right now!
I just looked those up.
That's all that's needed to protect against the virus?
I was picturing something like this ....
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Saw that one of the main doctors who called it out died today.
Time (not that I take much stock in things they write) made a good point of how weak this makes their current leader look. Half wonder if instead of this being a chinese mess up, whether us or other nations had something to do with it... get a few guys inside the Wuhan labs, and purposely cripple them internally. Or a rogue party within china.
Praying for those affected... hoping it does not spread to our folks in Shanghai. You know how it goes though... they're extremely strict on these things, but theres always someone not following protocol.
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Deaths to recoveries is the scary ratio. Most of the people sick now with pneumonia will take 2-3 weeks to recover. It is a slow killing illness.

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That and not licking doorknobs.
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For those that were looking for masks they seem to be all over ebay. I was curious what the markup was. Honestly not nearly as bad as I expected. Not a cheap item to start with.
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For those that were looking for masks they seem to be all over ebay. I was curious what the markup was. Honestly not nearly as bad as I expected. Not a cheap item to start with.
Amazon had them 10pk for $2.99 before the hype.
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I just read where China has declared this a time of war. Has military going door to door checking for people with symptoms. They are notably removed and taken to mass treatment camps . what ever that is.

I wonder how many people that local officials are mad at will just disappear and be cremated .
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Good way to make people with a low citizen score disappear.
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Good way to make people with a low citizen score disappear.
Yep
And those muslim camps might be empty by now as well.
Dang ol communism.....aunt ut grand
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my wife is from Beijing China. she has not heard anything from her brother or sister in 3 weeks. its been a TOTAL lock down. no outside phone calls from the US. no internet. no travel. this started on Dec. 3rd was not reported to the public until the middle of Jan. around 5 million had already left on vacation by Jan. 20th. the doctor that made the first forecast has died as you may know. cnn and msm reported that he was punished for his actions. NO. he was arrested. one pandemic expert has reported that it cant be stopped now. it will effect the whole earth in 7 months.
and that around 100 million will die. but you know what? this is still not as bad as the SARS would have been. the death rate of that one stands at 3.4 per 1000 this one. 1.2 or 1.3 per 1000 but cant be stopped. transmission from person to person is a unreal rate.
it may be time to get out of the stock market.
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Good way to make people with a low citizen score disappear.
They have always been good at the “kneel and face the ditch” method of population control
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my wife is from Beijing China. she has not heard anything from her brother or sister in 3 weeks. its been a TOTAL lock down. no outside phone calls from the US. no internet. no travel. this started on Dec. 3rd was not reported to the public until the middle of Jan. around 5 million had already left on vacation by Jan. 20th. the doctor that made the first forecast has died as you may know. cnn and msm reported that he was punished for his actions. NO. he was arrested. one pandemic expert has reported that it cant be stopped now. it will effect the whole earth in 7 months.
and that around 100 million will die. but you know what? this is still not as bad as the SARS would have been. the death rate of that one stands at 3.4 per 1000 this one. 1.2 or 1.3 per 1000 but cant be stopped. transmission from person to person is a unreal rate.
it may be time to get out of the stock market.
Sounds like it's time to get out of civilization.
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The virus will be stopped or run its course. A vaccine will suddenly be developed. The humanitarian crisis in the Chinese quarantine areas will be horrific and outsiders will know little of it. Happening right now.
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Old 02-08-2020, 11:03 PM   #148
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correction on my part. SARS killed 9.8% MERS 32.8%
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Old 02-08-2020, 11:15 PM   #149
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my wife is from Beijing China. she has not heard anything from her brother or sister in 3 weeks. its been a TOTAL lock down. no outside phone calls from the US. no internet. no travel. this started on Dec. 3rd was not reported to the public until the middle of Jan. around 5 million had already left on vacation by Jan. 20th. the doctor that made the first forecast has died as you may know. cnn and msm reported that he was punished for his actions. NO. he was arrested. one pandemic expert has reported that it cant be stopped now. it will effect the whole earth in 7 months.
and that around 100 million will die. but you know what? this is still not as bad as the SARS would have been. the death rate of that one stands at 3.4 per 1000 this one. 1.2 or 1.3 per 1000 but cant be stopped. transmission from person to person is a unreal rate.
it may be time to get out of the stock market.
I have been talking with people in China every day for the last 2 weeks. Shanghai, Shenzhen, and Hong Kong. Internet works, calls work.
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