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Old 01-31-2020, 11:14 PM   #51
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I was thinking of you when I posted. Did your friend have any thoughts on what is happening in the quarantine areas?
He didnt comment out that far. We communicate through WECHAT in real time...and for anyone thats ever used that app (which every single citizen in China uses)...there is "slingshot words" that if typed get reviewed by the local province and escalated if deemed a threat/hazard/disturbance. Theres a threshold that the citizens know where to hold off at.
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How long does a virus live with out a host and how long does it take to get a shipment from there?
Cant survive more than 2 hours on a surface
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Old 01-31-2020, 11:26 PM   #53
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Very scary stuff. Allegedly has not reared its head in South America or Africa yet. Everywhere else has it and has seen person to person transmission. What if it mutates into something more powerful or more easily transmittable. Could become a world wide monster. The 200ish US citizens the govt flew back from there are in lock down in a California Army base for 2 weeks.
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Very scary stuff. Allegedly has not reared its head in South America or Africa yet. Everywhere else has it and has seen person to person transmission. What if it mutates into something more powerful or more easily transmittable. Could become a world wide monster. The 200ish US citizens the govt flew back from there are in lock down in a California Army base for 2 weeks.
Glad they got them out and glad they are in lockdown until proven clean. More flights to come I believe.
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Old 02-01-2020, 01:11 AM   #55
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Glad we do don’t do business over there. I say shut it down. Nothing and nobody from
China or has been in China allowed in without a 1 month quarantine.


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Would not be surprised if China its self didn’t release, some type of germ on there own people. One way to reduce the population.
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He didnt comment out that far. We communicate through WECHAT in real time...and for anyone thats ever used that app (which every single citizen in China uses)...there is "slingshot words" that if typed get reviewed by the local province and escalated if deemed a threat/hazard/disturbance. Theres a threshold that the citizens know where to hold off at.
I just read where China is cracking down on anyone spreading rumors.
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Thats good to know, thanks
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we are in the last days. put all your hope and trust in The Lord Jesus Christ.
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Old 02-01-2020, 09:05 AM   #60
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Maybe they had plans to turn it loose in Hong Kong since things weren’t going so well between them.
That was in my thought.
If it got worse enough, they can send troops in openly to control the situation.

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I've often wondered about that stuff...seems like a lot of good, cheap stuff on there. What has been you're experience?
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I hope the rumors of government test gone are not true but the biotech lab in that area that is approved to study these deadly viruses has gotten very little mention.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...linked-chines/
I don't do tinfoil hat but China's response to this is almost draconian. That leads me to wonder if they are trying to minimize collateral damage outside of China when it is ultimately discovered that the virus traveled outside of the Wuhan facility on a person's body and/or they were infected unknowingly while working in the lab... Everyone has to know that no matter what the news coming from the official Chinese news, it is false. If it is bad... it is understated. If it is good, it is overstated. If at fault, it is a complete lie.
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For all we known its an engineered strain that's been introduced as a weapon by some nefarious government.....
Probably a very safe bet..


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Heard a rumor/speculation yesterday that it was a bio weapon gone wrong

Then find this thread with a couple of similar theories

Nothing would surprise me
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All major north American airlines have stopped traffic to China now.
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I don't do tinfoil hat but China's response to this is almost draconian. That leads me to wonder if they are trying to minimize collateral damage outside of China when it is ultimately discovered that the virus traveled outside of the Wuhan facility on a person's body and/or they were infected unknowingly while working in the lab... Everyone has to know that no matter what the news coming from the official Chinese news, it is false. If it is bad... it is understated. If it is good, it is overstated. If at fault, it is a complete lie.
You referring to China's media or ours?
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I've been using the CDC websites in an effort to cut down on rumors. Interesting is the number of mammals and birds these viruses exist on or within.
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The new number reported this morning from China was now 361 dead. I reached out to my friend in China this morning...here is his update:



Only in Wuhan,there were 14 crematoriums and average per day in full power burning is between 300~400 deaths.In last 10 days these worked 24 hours,so you can imagine how many deaths there ?

Completely not what you saw and what you heard,maybe 361 x 10 in death and what people said there is there were still full of bodies and waiting for burning.
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The new number reported this morning from China was now 361 dead. I reached out to my friend in China this morning...here is his update:



Only in Wuhan,there were 14 crematoriums and average per day in full power burning is between 300~400 deaths.In last 10 days these worked 24 hours,so you can imagine how many deaths there ?

Completely not what you saw and what you heard,maybe 361 x 10 in death and what people said there is there were still full of bodies and waiting for burning.
You would think a country that's been killing it's own people for so long, would be more adept at getting rid of bodies...
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The new number reported this morning from China was now 361 dead. I reached out to my friend in China this morning...here is his update:



Only in Wuhan,there were 14 crematoriums and average per day in full power burning is between 300~400 deaths.In last 10 days these worked 24 hours,so you can imagine how many deaths there ?

Completely not what you saw and what you heard,maybe 361 x 10 in death and what people said there is there were still full of bodies and waiting for burning.

Man there are no telling how many folks have died out in other areas. Most deaths are never tested.
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Old 02-03-2020, 07:18 PM   #73
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361 deaths from thousands of cases probably doesn’t equate to a bio weapon, but 10 x 361 deaths could.

I’ve been watching cases in Mexico and Latin America. We still have a very porous border and our southern neighbors aren’t known for quality healthcare. Victims of coronavirus could very well make their way north to the USA seeking healthcare to survive spreading the virus all along the way.

Coronavirus in Africa would be hugely tragic and could take an effort to control at least as great as the Ebola outbreak.

Think how densely populated parts of India are.

Not to be alarmist, but, a virus that can be transmitted human to human from an asymptomatic victim with a death rate greater than the flu is a very scary scenario. I haven’t looked, but wondering if Amazon has any of those surgery masks still in stock.
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361 deaths from thousands of cases probably doesn’t equate to a bio weapon, but 10 x 361 deaths could.

I’ve been watching cases in Mexico and Latin America. We still have a very porous border and our southern neighbors aren’t known for quality healthcare. Victims of coronavirus could very well make their way north to the USA seeking healthcare to survive spreading the virus all along the way.

Coronavirus in Africa would be hugely tragic and could take an effort to control at least as great as the Ebola outbreak.

Think how densely populated parts of India are.

Not to be alarmist, but, a virus that can be transmitted human to human from an asymptomatic victim with a death rate greater than the flu is a very scary scenario. I haven’t looked, but wondering if Amazon has any of those surgery masks still in stock.
China is drastically under stating death toll. As far as Africa and south America... There is a good chance its already there and no one is testing for it.
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361 deaths from thousands of cases probably doesn’t equate to a bio weapon, but 10 x 361 deaths could.

I’ve been watching cases in Mexico and Latin America. We still have a very porous border and our southern neighbors aren’t known for quality healthcare. Victims of coronavirus could very well make their way north to the USA seeking healthcare to survive spreading the virus all along the way.

Coronavirus in Africa would be hugely tragic and could take an effort to control at least as great as the Ebola outbreak.

Think how densely populated parts of India are.

Not to be alarmist, but, a virus that can be transmitted human to human from an asymptomatic victim with a death rate greater than the flu is a very scary scenario. I haven’t looked, but wondering if Amazon has any of those surgery masks still in stock.

We discussed this today. If this started in any 3rd world country, forget about containment.

Might get that wall a little faster....
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Old 02-03-2020, 07:36 PM   #76
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China has a large presence in Africa trying to gain political influence and gathering resources. Coronavirus may very well already be in Africa, brought in from China by China.
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I bought 500 of those surgical masks about a month ago, maybe there was a reason.
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Old 02-03-2020, 09:51 PM   #78
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^^^^ yup
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The new number reported this morning from China was now 361 dead. I reached out to my friend in China this morning...here is his update:

Only in Wuhan,there were 14 crematoriums and average per day in full power burning is between 300~400 deaths.In last 10 days these worked 24 hours,so you can imagine how many deaths there ?

Completely not what you saw and what you heard,maybe 361 x 10 in death and what people said there is there were still full of bodies and waiting for burning.
The response they have really doesn't match what the media is saying. From building 1000 bed hospital in 9 days when they only had 100 deaths to saying cremate bodies immediately and no funerals with only 304 deaths. Media acting like the flu that kills 40-60k each year is worse but we don't immediately cremate people who die of the flu.

I believe it's much worse and was an engineered biological weapon research/development gone wrong. Media is just saying what Chinese officials are giving them. And I'm not a foil hat wearer but something doesn't match up.

https://news.yahoo.com/china-says-wu...l&uh_test=1_04
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The response they have really doesn't match what the media is saying. From building 1000 bed hospital in 9 days when they only had 100 deaths to saying cremate bodies immediately and no funerals with only 304 deaths. Media acting like the flu that kills 40-60k each year is worse but we don't immediately cremate people who die of the flu.

I believe it's much worse and was an engineered biological weapon research/development gone wrong. Media is just saying what Chinese officials are giving them. And I'm not a foil hat wearer but something doesn't match up.

https://news.yahoo.com/china-says-wu...l&uh_test=1_04
They built a similar hospital for SARS, which is barely a memory for most of us. But you are right, it doesn't really add up.

Can you imagine the worldwide panic of a superbug epidemic. That’s a genie that would never get put back in the bottle
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The new number reported this morning from China was now 361 dead. I reached out to my friend in China this morning...here is his update:



Only in Wuhan,there were 14 crematoriums and average per day in full power burning is between 300~400 deaths.In last 10 days these worked 24 hours,so you can imagine how many deaths there ?

Completely not what you saw and what you heard,maybe 361 x 10 in death and what people said there is there were still full of bodies and waiting for burning.
Similar reports I’m getting from the area
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Old 02-04-2020, 09:16 AM   #82
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Crazy stuff for sure.

I've got 4 containers on the water right now, one will be delivered next week, that came out of China.....not Wuhan but it's still a little nerve racking.
First container just pulled in the yard......time to break out the Lysol!



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There you go...a little Lysol should take care of it, works in the bathroom. lol
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Crap!!!! I ordered a hoodie for my granddaughter from this app last night. The China connection never crossed my mind. Do I need to burn it when it gets here?
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There you go...a little Lysol should take care of it, works in the bathroom. lol
Going to open the doors, puncture about two dozen cans, toss them in and let it fumigate for a little while lol

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This could be the end for the Chinese government.
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Crap!!!! I ordered a hoodie for my granddaughter from this app last night. The China connection never crossed my mind. Do I need to burn it when it gets here?
If that hoodie is dangerous Walmart employees and shoppers are in deep trouble.. Seriously.
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Crap!!!! I ordered a hoodie for my granddaughter from this app last night. The China connection never crossed my mind. Do I need to burn it when it gets here?
I wouldn't I just had a moo moo come in for a coworker. We're not dead yet, lol.
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China is drastically under stating death toll. As far as Africa and south America... There is a good chance its already there and no one is testing for it.
Yep I read over 90,000 dead there and that's probably not even close.. Probably much worse.
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haha How did they test that stuff. Impressive.
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Yep I read over 90,000 dead there and that's probably not even close.. Probably much worse.
Where'd toy read that, I'd like to read it too.
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Where'd toy read that, I'd like to read it too.
I'll see if I can find it again.. I was searching this topic a couple of days ago and ran across it. It was on a site from another country. I believe a site out of Israel. Who knows the true number. We don't. You can safely bet that China is not reporting it either.
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There are brave Chinese citizens trying to get the word out. This link contains a lot of info and videos (probably more than you want to go through) but here's the upshot: A guy in Wuhan named Fang Bin went around to 5 hospitals and some funeral homes secretly videoing what he saw. The hospitals were with crammed with patients - many dead or dying. He saw piles of people in body bags. He put the videos on line and sure enough his last video was of cops breaking down his door to arrest him - he was able to hit send before they got him

https://chinachange.org/2020/02/03/g...bruary-1-2020/
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I read a report of a guy that showed up at the new hospital in Wuhan with a very ill relative. Security turned him away. He was sitting in his car distraught and said all his family was dying and he couldn't afford to lose any more. Said his mother had just passed and he had two more close relatives critically ill. They said viral pneumonia and never tested for corona. He said he knew that his family had it.
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There are brave Chinese citizens trying to get the word out. This link contains a lot of info and videos (probably more than you want to go through) but here's the upshot: A guy in Wuhan named Fang Bin went around to 5 hospitals and some funeral homes secretly videoing what he saw. The hospitals were with crammed with patients - many dead or dying. He saw piles of people in body bags. He put the videos on line and sure enough his last video was of cops breaking down his door to arrest him - he was able to hit send before they got him

https://chinachange.org/2020/02/03/g...bruary-1-2020/
Wow ...thanks for that link. Amazing
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Wow...…….is about all I've got.
But, I don't have any problem believing that the Chinese govt will lie to the world, to undersell it, and cover it up.
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Who cares.
In an age where people can be on the other side of the world in less than a day I think it's naive not to care.
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Old 02-04-2020, 01:15 PM   #99
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In an age where people can be on the other side of the world in less than a day I think it's naive not to care.
Yes. One of my daughters very good friends is trapped in China alone.. She is trying to get out. She is VERY scared. She is just 24 years old.. She was born and raised in Angleton Texas. Moved there 3 years ago to work for Disney..

Send up a prayer if you can..
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Yes. One of my daughters very good friends is trapped in China alone.. She is trying to get out. She is VERY scared. She is just 24 years old.. She was born and raised in Angleton Texas. Moved there 3 years ago to work for Disney..

Send up a prayer if you can..

While I certainly feel for the young lady and hope she makes its out. I don't think our prayers do much in the way of changing God's will, what's gonna happen is gonna happen. I don't mean to sound cold but I quit praying for an outcome now its more so for understanding. .
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