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Old 02-12-2020, 11:09 PM   #201
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Please do not perpetuate unsubstantiated rumors.
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Old 02-12-2020, 11:25 PM   #202
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You think it's a big joke? Why would China shut down cities the size of New York and lose all that money? Or was that all fake also?
With a profile pic like that....What a joke.
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Old 02-12-2020, 11:25 PM   #203
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You think it's a big joke? Why would China shut down cities the size of New York and lose all that money? Or was that all fake also?
I don't think it's a joke at all. I have no doubt its worse than what is being reported. I also don't think it's gonna wipe out the world. And if its that bad that it does, a facemask is not gonna save you.
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What are the primary reasons that this virus is killing them, and less serious than the flu here?
Severe respiratory infection/pneumonia is what kills people. Seems to be killing +/- 2%. Flu is less than 1%. I think a lot of the deaths in China is because the sheer volume of cases, and not enough medical attention to go around.
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Please do not perpetuate unsubstantiated rumors.
I'm not. Please see the report in New York Times titled. Wuhon Rounds Up Infected. I tried to copy the link but couldn't for some reason.
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Also the new York post has several videos up of the round up. Official Chinese statement says this is a time of war and military is call in.
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You think it's a big joke? Why would China shut down cities the size of New York and lose all that money? Or was that all fake also?
Don't accuse someone of making a joke, and in the next breath act like China, of all ****ing places, is gonna use a lot of sound logic and reasoning. CHINA is quietly the biggest ****hole on the planet, because that's what communism does.

See EVERY communist society EVER for confirmation. I feel very sorry for the rank and file over there, but seriously.....**** China!
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C'mon Dale, don't beat around the bush! Tell us what you REALLY think!
AFTR, I couldn't agree more with your sentiments.
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Old 02-13-2020, 09:46 AM   #209
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There are 13 confirmed cases in the US, all with minimum symptoms. Only 2 deaths outside of China, none in the US. There are a couple hundred people in quarantine now at Miramar NAS, Travis AFB, and Lackland AFB. I think there is another location but I don't remember where.
Clark AFB California...thats where the first group of quarantined have been let go to go home.
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Old 02-13-2020, 09:53 AM   #210
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I dunno, but keep em the hell out of the US. No one should be allowed to travel to or from PERIOD.
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Here is a pretty cool article written by an associate of mine that I work for from time to time..
The cut and paste made a mess out of the spacing and sentence breaks and paragraphs..

Coronavirus has now surpassed the death toll from SARS, making it one of the most potent threats to global health and security. As of this writing 811 people have died including the first American.
So far the global response has been to treat this outbreak as a public health crisis. It is incumbent upon us to consider the national security implications as well. From a military decision-making perspective this forces us to consider a wide range of possibilities, from the likely to the highly improbable, in order to make sure Americans are protected from this outbreak and potential future ones.
The outbreak has scientists, medical professionals, governments, and even military officials scrambling to figure out the root causes and the best practices for containing the deadly spread of disease. While the international community has not reached consensus on the origins of 2019-nCOV, it is incumbent that front line personnel and decision makers plan for a range of scenarios in order to manage the death and damage caused by potential pandemics.
It is specifically the responsibility of national security officials and military planners to plan for or ‘wargame’ a wide range of possibilities when it comes to both origin and response to national security threats.
In reality, usually the simplest explanation is the correct one. Viruses have been mutating and killing people since there were people. Often in complex, dynamic, and dangerous situations, there is a tendency to draw erroneous conclusions, to mistake correlation for causation, to see shadows in the dark. It’s a natural human response to unknown dangers. The Coronavirus that is sweeping across China and parts of the globe is one of the latest of a scary series of viruses. It is reminiscent of the Ebola scare and the Avian flu epidemic before that. We don’t know how rapidly Coronavirus will spread, but the most extreme statistical models cause incredible concern and alarm. Many of the models, based in part on the epidemiology of the 1918 pandemic paint a dire scenario. To date the virus reportedly has infected at least 40,000 people. Unlike 1918 we now live in a world with airplanes and an interrelated global transportation system.
Determining the origins of any virus is a complex investigation of virology, epidemiology, and sometimes best guesswork. The current scientific consensus seems to be focusing on a market in the Wuhan province of China. This analysis is largely epidemiological based on the reported fact that 7 of the initial cases reported contact in the market (Although patient zero appears to not have visited the market). The market, a mix of seafood and wildlife suggest the possibility that Coronavirus jumped the air gap from animal to human. Bats are a likely vector because of a long-standing genetic adaptation that allows them to act as hosts for a variety of mammalian transmissible viruses.
From a national security perspective, we cannot take any of that information for granted. When it comes to something like the Coronavirus, officials must “hope for the best, but plan for the worst.” The information coming out of China is sporadic and unreliable at best. There are medical, political, and economic reasons to suspect that China has moved too slow in reacting to the outbreak and been less than forthcoming about the virality of the epidemic. They have been even less forthcoming about the origins of the virus. The dangers of reporting, the closing of borders, the dearth of verifiable evidence, has resulted in an even greater lack of information about the start point and consequences of the virus.
Deep investigation will ultimately determine where Coronavirus originated. It took months of investigation to trace the likely emergence of the Ebola outbreak to a bush meat market on the Liberian border. In the meantime, the U.S. national security apparatus must brace and protect against the spread by undertaking a series of precautionary and preventive measures.
As part of that preparation the US should consider a range of possibilities outside of the current outbreak scenario. The military uses a concept called MLCOA, or the Most Likely Course of Action. In this case we understand based on current mainstream news reports that the MLCOA is that an organic virus is mutating and spreading fast. We have a second concept for military planning called the MDCOA, or Most Dangerous Course of Action. Military planners entertain the worst-case scenario in order to make sure we are prepared for any outcome. In this case the Most Dangerous Course of Action is that the Coronavirus is not organic but was in fact manufactured as a part of a Biological Weapons (BW) program. While this is an unlikely scenario it is prudent for Military leaders to plan for every scenario. Even as a hypothetical, the military engages in these kinds of Red Cell operations in order to increase preparedness. For example, the military has a long history of preparing for a nuclear attack even though one has never been launched. Similarly, the rapid spread of coronavirus has exposed how unprepared US systems are for an attack regardless of origin. If there is a silver lining in the spread of this disease, it is that it will force the CDC and other institutions to increase their preparedness for disease pathogens in a globalized world.
Back to the MDCOA. Imagine for a second that coronavirus is indeed not organic in nature but was deliberately created as part of a biological weapons program. Most people in the national security community suspect that China (like the US and Russia and other great powers) has an active BW program. Wuhan province, where this outbreak originated, is home to China’s premier virology institute. While the existence of this facility is known, it is simultaneously true that Biological research, like Nuclear, is a dual use technology. There are legitimate medical and scientific reasons to study viruses and the best research in the world is being done collaboratively by sharing knowledge across research institutions. Simultaneously, there are great national security concerns around researchers sharing sensitive national security information with China. Case in point, Harvard professor Charles Lieber who ran a prominent nanotechnology and chemistry research institute was arrested this week for his connections to China. He was being paid $50,000 a month stipend and lied to federal investigators about information he had shared with China. Liebner was one of hundreds of academics recruited into the Thousand Talents Program, a research funding mechanism sponsored by the Chinese government. This kind of academic espionage is becoming increasingly common and is illustrative of the dual use problem. With some of the most dangerous viruses in the world, the concern is even greater, and it highlights the paradox of our relationship with China. The U.S. and China have a relationship that is both competitive and collaborative.
It is not just the US relationship with China. This dual use, academic and military paradox is a global phenomenon. Last year a husband and wife research team were escorted out of the national Microbiology lab in Winnipeg, Canada. The researchers had been sending samples of Ebola and SARS back to the Level 4 virology lab in Wuhan (it’s not clear if this is the reason for their expulsion). While Canadian authorities have been denying any connection between Wuhan and Winnipeg in relation to Coronavirus, it is critical information for national security planners. The entire episode highlights critical nodes and pipelines that intelligence, military, and medical planners need to have visibility on. The academic exchange between national specialty labs is important to combating disease. It can also be part of the pipeline to create them.
Which brings us back to Coronavirus. It is prudent from a national security perspective to wargame a scenario where the virus did not originate organically but was indeed part of a biological weapons program. In the non-organic scenario, there are two distinct possibilities. One is that the virus was built in the Wuhan factory and poor management created a biological accident allowing the virus to escape. This model requires (similar to an organic outbreak) a cooperative response between nations. This scenario will focus on working with Chinese officials and medical responders around the world to seal borders, develop greater surveillance and detection systems, and work on vaccines and palliative care solutions to prevent the spread of the virus and reduce the death toll. It even requires longer term cooperation like safe handling of dangerous materials, and laboratory safety protocols. Knowledge that can be exchanged. There are infrastructure and environmental issues at play as well. Wuhan sits on the Yangtze river, one of the most polluted waterways in the world. The river has sometimes been referred to as “the living dead” and the cities along it as “cancer cities.” If the populations along the Yangtze are as unhealthy as reported they become more vulnerable as incubators for potential pandemics. The Yangtze provides another mechanism for transport and trade and is important to the proliferation of goods. It can also contribute to the spread of disease and sickness. Controlling a future outbreak with the cooperation of China would have to account for one of the most polluted rivers in the world, a threat not just to Chinese populations, but now to the globe.
The second more nefarious scenario is that the virus was deliberately released as an act of aggression. This scenario requires a fundamentally different posture and response. A virus needs three things to propagate effectively:
· Incubation
· Transmission
· Lethality
An effective (high lethality) virus from a Biological weapons perspective has a long incubation period, an effective transmission mechanism, and is lethal but not so lethal that the virus can’t spread from an epidemiological perspective. It also requires a delivery system. The deliberate delivery scenario requires three kind of responses. Medical, military, and political/economic.
A medical response to a deliberate Biological weapons attack interrupts the incubation and transmission components of viral spread. Palliative care, personal protective measures, and vaccines reduce the viral load and lethality.
The military response has to calculate and take into account the medical response while dealing with the military dimension of the pandemic. In a scenario where the US is suffering a chemical, biological, or radiological (CBR) attack it is likely the military would be dual hatted as both a medical response force (as in the Liberian Ebola outbreak). All the more reason DOD should invest more resources into preparing for a deliberate biological attack scenario.
Finally, the political and economic response to a biological attack should be part of any Wargaming scenario. Already the Coronavirus is estimated to have had a $280 billion impact on the global economy. That level of economic impact is within itself a national security threat.
There is no panacea or real precedent for a full-scale biological attack on the U.S. There also was not a precedent for using box cutters to hijack airplanes. The challenge of national security planning is imagining our worst nightmare and being ready to respond.
Ultimately political leadership, must confront the very real threat of biological attacks against the U.S. that do not necessarily originate in the U.S. They must develop more robust detection and surveillance mechanisms. National security officials must confront the challenging question of how academic institutions share knowledge in fields (like virology, AI, microbiology, nuclear tech) that could be weaponized.
In the end, Coronavirus is one in many of a long line of potential pandemics, but it has taught us powerful lessons. Regardless of origin, the US must develop a robust defense network to guard against lethal viruses that emerge from distant corners of the world. Nature telegraphed its pass with Avian Flu, but we failed to respond appropriately. Preparedness, everything from manufactured personal protective equipment like N95 respirators (which are in short supply) to military response to economic pressure should be exercised. The new frontiers of warfare are fluid, dynamic, and blurry. We must evolve and adapt to them faster than the viruses that threaten us.
Lew Knopp is a former a U.S. Navy SEAL and the founder of Templar Titan, a global risk mitigation firm. Lew has conducted multiple Humanitarian Aid/Disaster Response (HA/DR) engagements, recovering personnel and assets, protecting high net worth individuals, Fortune 500 Companies, governments, entertainment professionals and foreign dignitaries.
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Old 02-13-2020, 11:29 AM   #212
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One of the people quarantined at Lackland tested positive.
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Old 02-13-2020, 11:33 AM   #213
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One of the people quarantined at Lackland tested positive.
Yep, news conference now. Just awesome.
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Old 02-13-2020, 11:45 AM   #214
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Send them to the crematory....
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no offense, are you serious?
No offense taken. My remark is about epidemiology, not sure how you interpreted it.
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Old 02-13-2020, 01:02 PM   #216
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https://www.bitchute.com/video/00Cky...35_rAcEYWlRj9c


Watch with a grain of salt. So much misinformation out there reaching the public.

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Old 02-13-2020, 01:12 PM   #217
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Watch with a grain of salt. So much misinformation out there reaching the public.
I didn't last but a couple minutes, don't wanna see that **** happening to people.
WTH is going on with all that random footage?
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Old 02-13-2020, 01:20 PM   #218
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Watch with a grain of salt. So much misinformation out there reaching the public.
Apparently crematoriums emit steam according to that video? Right at 2 minutes. I couldn't make it past that.
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Old 02-13-2020, 01:23 PM   #219
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https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/a...23467b48e9ecf6

Seems to me the most important ratio is the # of deaths vs the # of recovered. That ratio is over 20%. Pneumonia takes time to develop, and the longer it take to recover the more dangerous it can be.
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Seems to me the most important ratio is the # of deaths vs the # of recovered. That ratio is over 20%. Pneumonia takes time to develop, and the longer it take to recover the more dangerous it can be.
That whole graphic is laughable when it is based on information being provided by China.
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Old 02-13-2020, 01:51 PM   #221
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Every dip-chit voting for Bernie should be required to watch that video to get a good look on how great communism is. And to all the other idiots voting for the gun grabbing liberals, I think I’ll keep my guns
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If the Corona does not get you the gutter oil will!

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Except this has nothing to do with vaccinations... At all... But I get your point.
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Would'nt it be something to discover that this was a totally engineered virus. Man made..
Who would actually believe such a thing to be possible?

That dang bat soup..
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https://youtu.be/zrv78nG9R04
If they do this **** with their own people, what do you think they do to the rest of the world?

Makes you wonder what Chicom manufacturers secretly mix into all the consumer junk they sell in Walmart. Need to get rid of toxic waste in China? Bake it into the packaging that ships with any number of 'made in china' goods and export it to stupid buyers.
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https://youtu.be/zrv78nG9R04
Yea that's not a bit surprising at all..
The entire country is one huge Nasty azz cesspool...
Why anyone would ever want to "visit" it is beyond my understanding..
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What's the status of the people that were evacuated from China? Is that staying contained?
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Maybe we should see if he will pull through first?
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One of my co-workers just told me good bye. She said they have their first case in Monterrey Mexico.
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Yea that's not a bit surprising at all..
The entire country is one huge Nasty azz cesspool...
Why anyone would ever want to "visit" it is beyond my understanding..
Really cheap electronics?



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One of my co-workers just told me good bye. She said they have their first case in Monterrey Mexico.
I see that they had 11 possibles....but all turned out negative?
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The entire country is one huge Nasty azz cesspool...
Why anyone would ever want to "visit" it is beyond my understanding..
Outside the major cities...it is quite a beautiful country.
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Outside the major cities...it is quite a beautiful country.
Friend of mine was there working on a golf course for a month. He said beautiful place but even though he was in the middle of nowhere he had police harrass him. Those communist know who you are and where your at at all times
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Old 02-13-2020, 07:12 PM   #235
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My wife watches Bloomberg news all day and she said they reported yesterday that Chinese officials are saying the infected number will be 500,000 people by mid March.

I agree with those who say they aren't being fully transparent and the number will probably be 3 times what they say. Apparently they are fast tracking a vaccine but estimates are that it won't be ready until Mid-summer.

Currently we are cancelling any vacation plans and stocking up on water and rice... Hold on to your hats!
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American big Pharmaceutical will have. Vaccine next week...and they’ll name their own price.


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It does not seem it has peaked in my opinion, but some speculation that it has from the Chinese government. 50k new cases announced, humm. Keeping it largely confined to that one province is definitely the best route. That means your body either forms the antibodies or you are a victim...…….rough but best for the globe! I hope epidemiologist can learn the code and stop the spread and the deaths.
They're now counting all people with symptoms, not just the ones that confirmed are confirmed by lab test. You can have a run of the mill virus like the flu and be lumped in with those that actually have COVID-19 (new name). Probably a little overkill (no pun intended). Most of the people that are confirmed to have COVID-19 only have mild to moderate symptoms. The people that are dyeing are the old, young, or those that have a weakened immune system. I imagine there are a lot of Chinese people with weakened immune systems due to their diet and environment. I think the biggest issue is that it can be passed by someone who is not showing any symptoms. One person can infect thousands before developing symptoms themselves.

One of the evacuees that was brought to Lackland AFB has been confirmed to have it.
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Ok. So they took the positive patient out of quarantine at the AFB and moved them to a hospital in genpop? Am I the only one that thinks that's a bada idea?
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Ok. So they took the positive patient out of quarantine at the AFB and moved them to a hospital in genpop? Am I the only one that thinks that's a bada idea?
Not genpop. He is in isolation.
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Old 02-13-2020, 09:24 PM   #240
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Somebody didn't bother to read past the headline. Lol
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Here is a pretty cool article written by an associate of mine that I work for from time to time..
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Coronavirus has now surpassed the death toll from SARS, making it one of the most potent threats to global health and security. As of this writing 811 people have died including the first American.
So far the global response has been to treat this outbreak as a public health crisis. It is incumbent upon us to consider the national security implications as well. From a military decision-making perspective this forces us to consider a wide range of possibilities, from the likely to the highly improbable, in order to make sure Americans are protected from this outbreak and potential future ones.
The outbreak has scientists, medical professionals, governments, and even military officials scrambling to figure out the root causes and the best practices for containing the deadly spread of disease. While the international community has not reached consensus on the origins of 2019-nCOV, it is incumbent that front line personnel and decision makers plan for a range of scenarios in order to manage the death and damage caused by potential pandemics.
It is specifically the responsibility of national security officials and military planners to plan for or ‘wargame’ a wide range of possibilities when it comes to both origin and response to national security threats.
In reality, usually the simplest explanation is the correct one. Viruses have been mutating and killing people since there were people. Often in complex, dynamic, and dangerous situations, there is a tendency to draw erroneous conclusions, to mistake correlation for causation, to see shadows in the dark. It’s a natural human response to unknown dangers. The Coronavirus that is sweeping across China and parts of the globe is one of the latest of a scary series of viruses. It is reminiscent of the Ebola scare and the Avian flu epidemic before that. We don’t know how rapidly Coronavirus will spread, but the most extreme statistical models cause incredible concern and alarm. Many of the models, based in part on the epidemiology of the 1918 pandemic paint a dire scenario. To date the virus reportedly has infected at least 40,000 people. Unlike 1918 we now live in a world with airplanes and an interrelated global transportation system.
Determining the origins of any virus is a complex investigation of virology, epidemiology, and sometimes best guesswork. The current scientific consensus seems to be focusing on a market in the Wuhan province of China. This analysis is largely epidemiological based on the reported fact that 7 of the initial cases reported contact in the market (Although patient zero appears to not have visited the market). The market, a mix of seafood and wildlife suggest the possibility that Coronavirus jumped the air gap from animal to human. Bats are a likely vector because of a long-standing genetic adaptation that allows them to act as hosts for a variety of mammalian transmissible viruses.
From a national security perspective, we cannot take any of that information for granted. When it comes to something like the Coronavirus, officials must “hope for the best, but plan for the worst.” The information coming out of China is sporadic and unreliable at best. There are medical, political, and economic reasons to suspect that China has moved too slow in reacting to the outbreak and been less than forthcoming about the virality of the epidemic. They have been even less forthcoming about the origins of the virus. The dangers of reporting, the closing of borders, the dearth of verifiable evidence, has resulted in an even greater lack of information about the start point and consequences of the virus.
Deep investigation will ultimately determine where Coronavirus originated. It took months of investigation to trace the likely emergence of the Ebola outbreak to a bush meat market on the Liberian border. In the meantime, the U.S. national security apparatus must brace and protect against the spread by undertaking a series of precautionary and preventive measures.
As part of that preparation the US should consider a range of possibilities outside of the current outbreak scenario. The military uses a concept called MLCOA, or the Most Likely Course of Action. In this case we understand based on current mainstream news reports that the MLCOA is that an organic virus is mutating and spreading fast. We have a second concept for military planning called the MDCOA, or Most Dangerous Course of Action. Military planners entertain the worst-case scenario in order to make sure we are prepared for any outcome. In this case the Most Dangerous Course of Action is that the Coronavirus is not organic but was in fact manufactured as a part of a Biological Weapons (BW) program. While this is an unlikely scenario it is prudent for Military leaders to plan for every scenario. Even as a hypothetical, the military engages in these kinds of Red Cell operations in order to increase preparedness. For example, the military has a long history of preparing for a nuclear attack even though one has never been launched. Similarly, the rapid spread of coronavirus has exposed how unprepared US systems are for an attack regardless of origin. If there is a silver lining in the spread of this disease, it is that it will force the CDC and other institutions to increase their preparedness for disease pathogens in a globalized world.
Back to the MDCOA. Imagine for a second that coronavirus is indeed not organic in nature but was deliberately created as part of a biological weapons program. Most people in the national security community suspect that China (like the US and Russia and other great powers) has an active BW program. Wuhan province, where this outbreak originated, is home to China’s premier virology institute. While the existence of this facility is known, it is simultaneously true that Biological research, like Nuclear, is a dual use technology. There are legitimate medical and scientific reasons to study viruses and the best research in the world is being done collaboratively by sharing knowledge across research institutions. Simultaneously, there are great national security concerns around researchers sharing sensitive national security information with China. Case in point, Harvard professor Charles Lieber who ran a prominent nanotechnology and chemistry research institute was arrested this week for his connections to China. He was being paid $50,000 a month stipend and lied to federal investigators about information he had shared with China. Liebner was one of hundreds of academics recruited into the Thousand Talents Program, a research funding mechanism sponsored by the Chinese government. This kind of academic espionage is becoming increasingly common and is illustrative of the dual use problem. With some of the most dangerous viruses in the world, the concern is even greater, and it highlights the paradox of our relationship with China. The U.S. and China have a relationship that is both competitive and collaborative.
It is not just the US relationship with China. This dual use, academic and military paradox is a global phenomenon. Last year a husband and wife research team were escorted out of the national Microbiology lab in Winnipeg, Canada. The researchers had been sending samples of Ebola and SARS back to the Level 4 virology lab in Wuhan (it’s not clear if this is the reason for their expulsion). While Canadian authorities have been denying any connection between Wuhan and Winnipeg in relation to Coronavirus, it is critical information for national security planners. The entire episode highlights critical nodes and pipelines that intelligence, military, and medical planners need to have visibility on. The academic exchange between national specialty labs is important to combating disease. It can also be part of the pipeline to create them.
Which brings us back to Coronavirus. It is prudent from a national security perspective to wargame a scenario where the virus did not originate organically but was indeed part of a biological weapons program. In the non-organic scenario, there are two distinct possibilities. One is that the virus was built in the Wuhan factory and poor management created a biological accident allowing the virus to escape. This model requires (similar to an organic outbreak) a cooperative response between nations. This scenario will focus on working with Chinese officials and medical responders around the world to seal borders, develop greater surveillance and detection systems, and work on vaccines and palliative care solutions to prevent the spread of the virus and reduce the death toll. It even requires longer term cooperation like safe handling of dangerous materials, and laboratory safety protocols. Knowledge that can be exchanged. There are infrastructure and environmental issues at play as well. Wuhan sits on the Yangtze river, one of the most polluted waterways in the world. The river has sometimes been referred to as “the living dead” and the cities along it as “cancer cities.” If the populations along the Yangtze are as unhealthy as reported they become more vulnerable as incubators for potential pandemics. The Yangtze provides another mechanism for transport and trade and is important to the proliferation of goods. It can also contribute to the spread of disease and sickness. Controlling a future outbreak with the cooperation of China would have to account for one of the most polluted rivers in the world, a threat not just to Chinese populations, but now to the globe.
The second more nefarious scenario is that the virus was deliberately released as an act of aggression. This scenario requires a fundamentally different posture and response. A virus needs three things to propagate effectively:
· Incubation
· Transmission
· Lethality
An effective (high lethality) virus from a Biological weapons perspective has a long incubation period, an effective transmission mechanism, and is lethal but not so lethal that the virus can’t spread from an epidemiological perspective. It also requires a delivery system. The deliberate delivery scenario requires three kind of responses. Medical, military, and political/economic.
A medical response to a deliberate Biological weapons attack interrupts the incubation and transmission components of viral spread. Palliative care, personal protective measures, and vaccines reduce the viral load and lethality.
The military response has to calculate and take into account the medical response while dealing with the military dimension of the pandemic. In a scenario where the US is suffering a chemical, biological, or radiological (CBR) attack it is likely the military would be dual hatted as both a medical response force (as in the Liberian Ebola outbreak). All the more reason DOD should invest more resources into preparing for a deliberate biological attack scenario.
Finally, the political and economic response to a biological attack should be part of any Wargaming scenario. Already the Coronavirus is estimated to have had a $280 billion impact on the global economy. That level of economic impact is within itself a national security threat.
There is no panacea or real precedent for a full-scale biological attack on the U.S. There also was not a precedent for using box cutters to hijack airplanes. The challenge of national security planning is imagining our worst nightmare and being ready to respond.
Ultimately political leadership, must confront the very real threat of biological attacks against the U.S. that do not necessarily originate in the U.S. They must develop more robust detection and surveillance mechanisms. National security officials must confront the challenging question of how academic institutions share knowledge in fields (like virology, AI, microbiology, nuclear tech) that could be weaponized.
In the end, Coronavirus is one in many of a long line of potential pandemics, but it has taught us powerful lessons. Regardless of origin, the US must develop a robust defense network to guard against lethal viruses that emerge from distant corners of the world. Nature telegraphed its pass with Avian Flu, but we failed to respond appropriately. Preparedness, everything from manufactured personal protective equipment like N95 respirators (which are in short supply) to military response to economic pressure should be exercised. The new frontiers of warfare are fluid, dynamic, and blurry. We must evolve and adapt to them faster than the viruses that threaten us.
Lew Knopp is a former a U.S. Navy SEAL and the founder of Templar Titan, a global risk mitigation firm. Lew has conducted multiple Humanitarian Aid/Disaster Response (HA/DR) engagements, recovering personnel and assets, protecting high net worth individuals, Fortune 500 Companies, governments, entertainment professionals and foreign dignitaries.
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Old 02-14-2020, 09:16 AM   #242
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Friend of mine was there working on a golf course for a month. He said beautiful place but even though he was in the middle of nowhere he had police harrass him. Those communist know who you are and where your at at all times
It is a beautiful country, but almost eery and unsettling sometimes. Walked to our office most mornings while I was there, and was very creepy having these flags on all poles outlining how great communism is. Really hope I dont see that day here.
Climbed a mountain there though, was beautiful.
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Now you are getting back to the root of it. Vaccine has already been fast tracked.
So....... they are fast tracking a vaccine that may or may not work to treat a virus that they don't really know anything about other than that it has caused a lot of infections in China.

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I am now convinced they all just need to take CBD oil to stop the Coronvirus over there.
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Somebody didn't bother to read past the headline. Lol
I read it. I'm just wondering why you would move someone from one isolation to another. Especially since we don't know much about how it spreads.
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I read it. I'm just wondering why you would move someone from one isolation to another. Especially since we don't know much about how it spreads.
They were removed from a quarantine area they shared with many others into a facility that was equiped for medical isolation.
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They're now counting all people with symptoms, not just the ones that confirmed are confirmed by lab test. You can have a run of the mill virus like the flu and be lumped in with those that actually have COVID-19 (new name). Probably a little overkill (no pun intended). Most of the people that are confirmed to have COVID-19 only have mild to moderate symptoms. The people that are dyeing are the old, young, or those that have a weakened immune system. I imagine there are a lot of Chinese people with weakened immune systems due to their diet and environment. I think the biggest issue is that it can be passed by someone who is not showing any symptoms. One person can infect thousands before developing symptoms themselves.

One of the evacuees that was brought to Lackland AFB has been confirmed to have it.
Yes and yes! HUGE problem is the symptomology of the virus. It is one tricky little sucker. You said it best, one person can infect thousands and not show fever, redness or coughing.
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It is a beautiful country, but almost eery and unsettling sometimes. Walked to our office most mornings while I was there, and was very creepy having these flags on all poles outlining how great communism is. Really hope I dont see that day here.
Climbed a mountain there though, was beautiful.
YEP! I was followed/monitored for over 2 hours in Tiananmen Square. It was quite unsettling and downright eerie for the first hour or so. As I watched the guy watch me it almost became funny as his tactics were absurd. God knows to live under communist rule has to be a living nightmare on multiple levels. I hope our CDC gets in there sooner than later or at least get clearance to study the cases that are confirmed here.
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YEP! I was followed/monitored for over 2 hours in Tiananmen Square. It was quite unsettling and downright eerie for the first hour or so. As I watched the guy watch me it almost became funny as his tactics were absurd. .
He was just trying to figure out if you were a NBA player.
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I was followed/monitored for over 2 hours in Tiananmen Square. It was quite unsettling and downright eerie for the first hour or so. As I watched the guy watch me it almost became funny as his tactics were absurd. God knows to live under communist rule has to be a living nightmare on multiple levels.
Same thing happened to me. I figured I was being monitored because the night before I had used a VPN to get on some social media sites and thought the commies were after me for Facebook but they never said or did anything .
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He was just trying to figure out if you were a NBA player.
Heck, I was mistaken at a Florida resort for O.J. Simpson in the 90's while playing golf. If the American media is that arse backwards I reckon you could be correct.
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