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Old 05-26-2022, 06:52 PM   #1
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Have a old 150 amp panel and looking to add a 30amp double for a stackable
Anyone know what newer style breakers will fit in this
I found these style breaker only used on ebay..
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Old 05-26-2022, 06:54 PM   #2
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https://www.amazon.com/American-Fede.../dp/B000WUN12C

Will this one pop into the old box?

150$ is alot but rather get a new one
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Old 05-26-2022, 07:04 PM   #3
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I have 1, possibly 2 complete panels with all the breakers. Let me look tomorrow and see exactly what I have and then I’ll get back to you.
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Old 05-26-2022, 07:05 PM   #4
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go look on ebay they have FPE Federal Pacific NA230 Stab Lok 30 Amp 2 Pole Circuit Breaker for $24. 99
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Old 05-26-2022, 07:12 PM   #5
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I have 1, possibly 2 complete panels with all the breakers. Let me look tomorrow and see exactly what I have and then Iíll get back to you.
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Old 05-26-2022, 07:18 PM   #6
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Those are very dangerous breakers I’ve been told by numerous electricians. They sometimes don’t trip and cause fires from what I understand.
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Old 05-26-2022, 07:21 PM   #7
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Those are very dangerous breakers Iíve been told by numerous electricians. They sometimes donít trip and cause fires from what I understand.
^^^^^ this is very true.
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Old 05-26-2022, 07:41 PM   #8
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From what I read the breakers themselves are the culprits
Don't they make newer ones to fit?? That are safer designed
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Old 05-26-2022, 07:42 PM   #9
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Junk, according to the insurance companies. I had a rental with one in it. Pull out a double thirty and put in a double fifty. I'm sure that it is still in my parts box and I have no use for it. If you get in a pinch, pm me.
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Old 05-26-2022, 08:05 PM   #10
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I have replaced two of these at the advice of professional electricians. Don't know about new breakers that may be compatible.
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Old 05-26-2022, 08:21 PM   #11
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Connecticut Electric breaker. These are the newer type breaker for old FPE panels, they're grey in color.
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Old 05-26-2022, 11:34 PM   #12
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Connecticut Electric breaker. These are the newer type breaker for old FPE panels, they're grey in color.
Thank you longshot!

Just what I was looking for
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Old 05-27-2022, 09:47 AM   #13
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Please replace that panel. They lost their UL listing like 30+ years ago.
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Old 05-27-2022, 09:56 AM   #14
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You can buy them on amazon as well.
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Old 05-27-2022, 10:05 AM   #15
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Please replace that panel. They lost their UL listing like 30+ years ago.
We have them in our house and it weighs heavy on my mind that
As a retired couple, wife and I can’t afford to replace them anytime soon
The electric contractor quote was outrageously expensive
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Old 05-27-2022, 10:21 AM   #16
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Those are very dangerous breakers Iíve been told by numerous electricians. They sometimes donít trip and cause fires from what I understand.

So very true
And donít reset an FPE Starter unless your behind a blast shield

That panel needs an upgrade


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Old 05-27-2022, 01:03 PM   #17
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When I was an electrician for Sanger Harris we would short a circuit out to find the breaker as they never labeled them. The store's that had FPE breakers we could actually leave a nice weld bead around the faceplate and rattle the conduit before they would trip!! If it were me I'd go to another brand rather than risk electrocution or a fire - Just my 2 cents
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Old 05-27-2022, 01:18 PM   #18
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I've been out of the business for quite a few years.
Last I heard FPE was a fire hazard just like aluminum wiring. However, my years of absence prevented me from commenting earlier.
If new breakers are available and are UL listed, why change the whole panel?

I'd certainly, replace all the breakers, even if I had to do it one at a time.
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Old 05-27-2022, 04:00 PM   #19
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Federal pacific is bad news. You have a good reason to put in a new panel and add the needed breakers. Jeapardizing your home to fire hazard is just not worth it.
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Old 05-27-2022, 04:28 PM   #20
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^^This all the way!!
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Old 05-27-2022, 07:12 PM   #21
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My son in law is a master electrician and he said its like having a welder on the side of your house.
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Old 05-28-2022, 12:57 PM   #22
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I've been out of the business for quite a few years.
Last I heard FPE was a fire hazard just like aluminum wiring. However, my years of absence prevented me from commenting earlier.
If new breakers are available and are UL listed, why change the whole panel?

I'd certainly, replace all the breakers, even if I had to do it one at a time.
THIS... Now with that said, replacing all the breakers would be expensive also.
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Old 05-28-2022, 01:16 PM   #23
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I agree with all that you should replace the federal pacific panel. We called them no blow Federals. Maybe the new breakers are built differently, but the original FP breakers are known not to trip. If you can change your panel, by all means. Do it.
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Old 05-28-2022, 03:34 PM   #24
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Replace the entire panel. Itís past itís useful lifetime and the breakers are a known hazard.

https://inspectapedia.com/fpe/FPE_Stab_Lok_Hazards.php


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Old 05-28-2022, 11:06 PM   #25
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For the cost of new replacement breakers you can replace the panel with newer breakers. If your handy itís not that hard.


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Some insurance companies will not insurance the building with that panel.
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Old 05-28-2022, 11:31 PM   #27
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I can get all new updated CE breakers for 250$

Can someone explain what part the panel itself plays in this hazard.. from what I can figure the breakers where the weak link-
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Old 05-29-2022, 12:24 AM   #28
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Do a quick google search and you will find plenty to read and testing data. One of the first searches that came up was insurance companies not insuring these panels. If I remember right, a lot of the panels were installed from the 50’s to 85, with some being just a tad later.
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Old 05-29-2022, 07:02 AM   #29
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I can get all new updated CE breakers for 250$

Can someone explain what part the panel itself plays in this hazard.. from what I can figure the breakers where the weak link-
If the breakers you are buying are UL listed, then you should be safe. You may still have to argue with people because the panel is a "FPE" panel.
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Old 05-29-2022, 08:50 AM   #30
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https://www.cpsc.gov/Newsroom/News-R...-For-Consumers


I'd replace everything however this current panel acts as a pass through for another unit in the complex. That would mean paying a contractor/electrician to enter another person's unit to disconnect their feed and run it out from my box. Very strange setup imo. I figured the safest and easiest way to correct all of this is new CE UL listed breakers that are stablok
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