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Old 11-25-2020, 11:26 PM   #1
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Settle a question we are divided on.
I know pictures 1 and 2 are rubs.
Are pictures 3 and 4 Rubs???
Same tree with pictures of both sides. This is new in the last 7 days.
Never seen a porcupine. There are cows in that pasture. Lots of hogs.
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Old 11-25-2020, 11:30 PM   #2
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#3 and 4 are definitely NOT buck rubs, nor hog rubs, but I am not certain what they are. I used to see those same kind of markings on our lease also.
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Old 11-25-2020, 11:37 PM   #3
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Termites maybe?
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Old 11-25-2020, 11:47 PM   #4
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Possibly porcupine damage.


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Old 11-25-2020, 11:48 PM   #5
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Axis or fallow?
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Old 11-26-2020, 12:44 AM   #6
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Something rubbed it
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Old 11-26-2020, 02:09 AM   #7
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I say porcupine damage .
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Old 11-26-2020, 02:16 AM   #8
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I always thought those kind of rubs were from cows.
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Old 11-26-2020, 05:42 AM   #9
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Old 11-26-2020, 06:27 AM   #10
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We did not have cows on our place and had markings just like that. I didnít think about porcupine.

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Old 11-26-2020, 07:55 AM   #11
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I don't know the answer? We have never seen a porcupine in 16 years..Could be some out there. No exotics. We have Javi's around there but they can't get that high.
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Old 11-26-2020, 08:07 AM   #12
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Axis bulls can be aggressive on those trees. Set a camera on it, maybe something big returns.
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Old 11-26-2020, 08:15 AM   #13
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I would be on the lookout for big piles of elephant dung. Maybe start carrying a Loudenboomer gun.
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Old 11-26-2020, 12:17 PM   #14
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#3 and 4 are definitely NOT buck rubs, nor hog rubs, but I am not certain what they are. I used to see those same kind of markings on our lease also.
Just curious, why would you say they were not made by a buck?
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Old 11-26-2020, 03:19 PM   #15
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Yes itís a rub. I see the exact same kind of trees rubbed on in a rub line often.


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Old 11-26-2020, 03:43 PM   #16
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Just curious, why would you say they were not made by a buck?
Because a buck rub would not be in the creases of the tree/between the two trunks and the damage is only done to the bark, not into the pulp of the tree.
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Old 11-26-2020, 04:03 PM   #17
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If you look at how close to the ground some of the damage is, it doesn't seem very likely it's a rub.
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Old 11-26-2020, 04:17 PM   #18
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Old 11-26-2020, 04:42 PM   #19
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I would not really wonder whether it was a rub or not if I saw it. It looks like a rub to me and bark gets knocked off in chunks when the sides of the antlers hit it......but I am no rub expert
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Old 11-26-2020, 04:50 PM   #20
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If you look at how close to the ground some of the damage is, it doesn't seem very likely it's a rub.
Yes, that too! Bucks donít rub down to the ground.

I am in the porcupine crowd.
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Old 11-26-2020, 05:09 PM   #21
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Looks like rubs to me. Historical rubs at that. Now what done it? Who knows, but it looks like a whitetail rub.
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Old 11-26-2020, 05:17 PM   #22
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Looks like a buck rub to me, just funny shaped tree and using the whole sides, put a camera on it and let's settle it
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Old 11-26-2020, 05:17 PM   #23
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Until ten minutes ago i would've said buck rubs. But, i just did a google search of porcupine damage. Now i will say that is porcupine damage. As said above, put a camera on those tree trunks. The camera won't lie.
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Old 11-26-2020, 05:21 PM   #24
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I don’t think anyone can definitely say those aren’t buck rubs. I’ve seen them on trees that were from barely rubbed to destroyed and everything in between. As others said, stick a couple cameras up.
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Old 11-26-2020, 05:51 PM   #25
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I’m going with porcupine. Never seen a buck rub that low, and in between limbs like that. Plus the old damage is not scared along beside the new damage. Any buck hitting the rub that hard would leave scars/gouges in it I believe. My two cents what it’s worth. :-)

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Old 11-26-2020, 05:53 PM   #26
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Old 11-26-2020, 06:44 PM   #27
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Yes they are all rubs. The trees in pics one, three and four have been rubs in previous years. That is not porcupine damage. We have porcupines in Kansas and their damage is usually just the outer layer of bark.

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Old 11-26-2020, 07:00 PM   #28
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Put a camera on it and let us know

Probably a squatch marking a cross country trail, bout time for them to migrate for the winter
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Old 11-26-2020, 07:45 PM   #29
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I will put a Reveal camera on it Saturday. Will post up pics of Squatches travels north.and might get a glimpse of our first ppine.
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Old 11-26-2020, 07:52 PM   #30
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Yes they are all rubs. The trees in pics one, three and four have been rubs in previous years. That is not porcupine damage. We have porcupines in Kansas and their damage is usually just the outer layer of bark.
All three of them are new this year. 3 and 4 just popped up in the last 7 days. One of our guys sat in a blind that doesn't get used much Monday night. He sent this picture at 268 yards.
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Old 11-26-2020, 07:54 PM   #31
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I believe it’s a porcupine also
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Old 11-26-2020, 07:58 PM   #32
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Put a camera on it & settle this debate.
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Old 11-26-2020, 08:36 PM   #33
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Make sure you donít let this wind up like the hand bone thread.


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Old 11-26-2020, 08:52 PM   #34
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It's either cattle, or a buck. Kind of hard to tell from those pictures. I can definitely see what looks like pointed something pointed scraped on the tree.
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Old 11-26-2020, 08:54 PM   #35
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^^ like teeth?


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Old 11-26-2020, 08:54 PM   #36
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IMO the porcupine crowd is a no deer killin, gimmick buying, hand corn preachin', internet heroin' bunch. Shots fired
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Old 11-26-2020, 08:56 PM   #37
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Do you have any Axis on there, looks like that to me.

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Old 11-27-2020, 11:18 AM   #38
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As said above, put a camera on those tree trunks. The camera won't lie.

No but it"ll make 'em look 15 lbs. fatter!
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Old 11-27-2020, 12:46 PM   #39
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IMO the porcupine crowd is a no deer killin, gimmick buying, hand corn preachin', internet heroin' bunch. Shots fired


100% porcupine for sure now
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Old 11-27-2020, 01:04 PM   #40
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Do you see any shaving’s laying under the tree like you normally would?

Looks like big bark coming off of the tree in that one picture.
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Old 11-27-2020, 08:43 PM   #41
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100% porcupine for sure now
My point is made.
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Old 11-27-2020, 08:50 PM   #42
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Old 11-27-2020, 08:54 PM   #43
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Do you see any shavingís laying under the tree like you normally would?

Looks like big bark coming off of the tree in that one picture.
So...what are you saying?
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Old 11-27-2020, 09:08 PM   #44
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Buck rub, fo sure
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Old 11-27-2020, 09:17 PM   #45
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Buck rub, fo sure
'splain how, in the 3rd picture, a buck rubbed the bark off around the trunk into the crease by the other trunk? Canyasplaindat?
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Old 11-27-2020, 09:20 PM   #46
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That's a Land Beaver for sure.
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Old 11-27-2020, 09:26 PM   #47
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'splain how, in the 3rd picture, a buck rubbed the bark off around the trunk into the crease by the other trunk? Canyasplaindat?
Valid point. Maybe its both
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Old 11-27-2020, 09:29 PM   #48
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'splain how, in the 3rd picture, a buck rubbed the bark off around the trunk into the crease by the other trunk? Canyasplaindat?
It's a well thought out, determined effort by a B&C caliber monster buck to frame an innocent porcupine. Idea being to get hunters to think there are only porcupines in the area. Thereby eliminating hunting pressure, and giving said buck free reign of huge swaths of Wilbarger County without fear of lead projectiles ramming into his side. Genius when you think about it.
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Old 11-27-2020, 09:33 PM   #49
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'splain how, in the 3rd picture, a buck rubbed the bark off around the trunk into the crease by the other trunk? Canyasplaindat?
Uh, maybe cause he's got multiple tines goin' in multiple directions plus the brutha ain't got nothin' else to do but rub on trees, scrape dirt with his hoofs, pee in dirt, eat and sniff hoe/does. That enough splainin'?
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Old 11-27-2020, 09:36 PM   #50
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Rubs bubs. Scrapes are what matters.
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