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Old 10-28-2019, 11:10 PM   #1
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Question What is a LF Book Deer Worth Financially?

Honestly asking because I have no clue? Doesn't matter if it's Typical or Non Typical... if you had a book deer what would you expect the price to be.... guaranteed to put your name in ink?
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Old 10-28-2019, 11:12 PM   #2
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$2500, when do we leave??? Lol
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Old 10-29-2019, 12:18 AM   #3
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$15-$20k
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Old 10-29-2019, 05:59 AM   #4
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Pope $ Young or Boone & Crockett?
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Old 10-29-2019, 09:21 AM   #5
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Pope $ Young or Boone & Crockett?
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Old 10-29-2019, 09:21 AM   #6
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$15-$20k
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Old 10-29-2019, 09:22 AM   #7
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Old 10-29-2019, 09:23 AM   #8
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whatever someone will pay....but to me, nothing.
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Old 10-29-2019, 09:25 AM   #9
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Alot of the pricing is base price $2500 for 120-130" then its about $100 an inch
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Old 10-29-2019, 09:44 AM   #10
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I agree with the $15-20k range. Potentially more if it was a slam dunk on score and opportunity.
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Old 10-29-2019, 09:51 AM   #11
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$2500-$3500 usually gets you in that 130-145” range depending on where your hunting. If you go to one of these big name ranches that are famous for big deer, it is going to cost you more. Nothing is a guarantee though.
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Old 10-29-2019, 09:52 AM   #12
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170" LF deer is worth 7500. 200" 15k.
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Old 10-29-2019, 09:59 AM   #13
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Priceless!
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Old 10-29-2019, 10:03 AM   #14
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Is he pretty or ugly? Is it a 8 point 10 or 12 or 14? Some are more rare and desirable than others.
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Old 10-29-2019, 10:14 AM   #15
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a free range book deer could likely be sold for 15-20K pretty easily IMO. A true, net boone and crockett, not gross.
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Old 10-29-2019, 11:45 AM   #16
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I know a guy who offered $30k for a deer that grossed to 211 and would easily book at right around 200. It was a lease deer and not for sale
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Old 10-29-2019, 12:37 PM   #17
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I would have to say from what I see on rates pages of some of these low fence package hunt ranches that a straight up 170 net is roughly $10,000 to $15,000. Now I am only going by what I see when I look at the hunting rates pages of some of these ranches.
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Old 10-29-2019, 12:38 PM   #18
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a free range book deer could likely be sold for 15-20K pretty easily IMO. A true, net boone and crockett, not gross.
Exactly what I'm talking about, net and your name goes in the book.
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Old 10-29-2019, 01:20 PM   #19
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Exactly what I'm talking about, net and your name goes in the book.
I'd be willing to pay a daily rate then trophy free of $100/inch on the net sore for 170-180. Even more for beyond 180". My guess is finding something like this would be very hard unless the operation just released a bunch of RFID chipped deer from a pen into a LF pasture. Not sure the total number of all time book typical bucks but the last time I look I think only a dozen or so have netted above 200".

Its rare. I interested how many folks on the green screen have killed a net 170" fair chase buck and have their name in the good book of B&C.

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Old 10-29-2019, 02:42 PM   #20
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Its rare. I interested how many folks on the green screen have killed a net 170" fair chase buck and have their name in the good book of B&C.
I haven’t killed one personally, but my dad and uncle have each killed one the last two seasons. Uncle killed a gross 204” that netted 199 7/8” non typical. My dad killed a gross 182 6/8” that netted 172” as a typical. We have owned our place for 13 years and have killed several big deer but these two were the only ones we have produced that have put a name in the book. Not that they were ever for sale, but with the rarity of producing these animals on a low fence ranch, $15K wouldn’t have bought either one of them.
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Old 10-29-2019, 02:48 PM   #21
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So sounds like through most opinions 15k is about right. Appreciate the feed back.
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Old 10-29-2019, 03:25 PM   #22
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On a ranch that produces bucks like that, its normally $300 per inch above 145-150 and then the price jumps up again after 180 or 185, generally.

On a ranch where a monster just shows up, the price is whatever can be negotiated, probably $6k-$15k
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Old 10-29-2019, 03:32 PM   #23
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So sounds like through most opinions 15k is about right. Appreciate the feed back.
Ok soooooo you got one for sale or you looking to buy? Come on spill it man. Pictures are always good too
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Old 10-29-2019, 03:33 PM   #24
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I have 4 net B&C low fence, officially scored but not entered bucks...[ maybe one more, I'll have to look ] I hope to never know how much they cost me to grow them
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Less than an elk hunt.
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Old 10-29-2019, 03:52 PM   #26
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Ok soooooo you got one for sale or you looking to buy? Come on spill it man. Pictures are always good too
Well to be honest I have a good friend who's telling me to come shoot one for free. Appantey it's a trashy deer. He's getting older and could care less about killing deer, and has enough money to buy pretty much anything he wants.

If I do take him up on it I'd like to get him a really nice gift. Not 15k worth for sure but possibly something he would enjoy.

I have no pics yet, just what I've been told. If I kill him you'll see plenty of pics
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Old 10-29-2019, 05:21 PM   #27
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Old 10-29-2019, 05:28 PM   #28
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For someone that can afford anything, I’d say really good whiskey and/or cigars for sitting around the campfire
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Old 10-29-2019, 05:33 PM   #29
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Well to be honest I have a good friend who's telling me to come shoot one for free. Appantey it's a trashy deer. He's getting older and could care less about killing deer, and has enough money to buy pretty much anything he wants.

If I do take him up on it I'd like to get him a really nice gift. Not 15k worth for sure but possibly something he would enjoy.

I have no pics yet, just what I've been told. If I kill him you'll see plenty of pics
I need to find friends like yours!
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Old 10-30-2019, 11:27 AM   #30
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170" LF deer is worth 7500. 200" 15k.
You're way low.
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Old 10-30-2019, 11:40 AM   #31
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The place I hunt is 134,000 acres, and we have a 5,300 acre pasture on it. The owners offer package hunts on the 9,000 acres they don’t lease out, and I just read through the kill fees. To kill a 160” gross cost $7,500 and to kill a 185” gross cost $17k. Anything over 185” gross is negotiable.
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Old 10-30-2019, 01:41 PM   #32
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This is why I am looking to out of state hunting for a chance at a low fence big deer.
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Old 11-01-2019, 08:54 PM   #33
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I spent about $100,000 on leases and about 20 years of hunting to get one. I killed another one on my ranch but wouldn’t qualify since my neighbor and I are high fenced.
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Old 11-02-2019, 06:48 PM   #34
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Shot this guy on our LF lease. Gross 201 net 198 and booked. G2 almost 15 inches. I think 30k nowadays is what it would take.
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Old 11-04-2019, 02:26 PM   #35
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Based on what I see $7500-10K. 180 class you can double that.... I would add that it costs a lot more to help a deer get to this size (in addition to his genetics). As El Gato says - nutrition, nutrition, nutrition! If you understand those words the devil is in the detail.

What has surprised me is the number of places offering big deer cheap. Don't know if they are turnouts from a breeding program or not however have been very surprised in the last couple of months of pricing to hunt top deer. Smells fishy since I now understand the cost side both financially and physically.....
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Old 11-04-2019, 07:55 PM   #36
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I'd be willing to pay a daily rate then trophy free of $100/inch on the net sore for 170-180. Even more for beyond 180". My guess is finding something like this would be very hard unless the operation just released a bunch of RFID chipped deer from a pen into a LF pasture. Not sure the total number of all time book typical bucks but the last time I look I think only a dozen or so have netted above 200".

Its rare. I interested how many folks on the green screen have killed a net 170" fair chase buck and have their name in the good book of B&C.
I have one in the book. 178 7/8 net , 182 1/2 gross 10 pt I killed in Mexico.
Real close to Elgato’s ranch. It’s the deer in my avatar.

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Old 11-07-2019, 02:48 PM   #37
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Shot this guy on our LF lease. Gross 201 net 198 and booked. G2 almost 15 inches. I think 30k nowadays is what it would take.
Now that's a LF stud!!!!! Wow..
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Old 11-07-2019, 03:47 PM   #38
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Depends on which book you want you name inked in. Would you like fingerprints to go with that?

with a 180"deer
((180-100) 2 x $1.65 = $132

(Totally arbitrary #s IMO)
eight scoring criteria
(1) Recreation - 3
(2) Aesthetic - 2
(3) Educational - 1
(4) Scarcity - 3
(5) Environmental Tolerance - 2 (don't now how this applies to WTD)
(6) Economics - 2 (?)
(7) Recruitment - 3 (?)
(8) Ecological role - 1
so scoring criteria.....3+2+1+3+2+2+3+1= 17

weighting factor = 1.3 (rare)
and 17 x 1.3 = 22.1
and (from table below) 21 - 23.9 = $4,780.50


$132 +$4,780.50= $4912.50 need to add in court costs of course.

Don't even know if I did all that right

**************************TPWD Restitution ******
TPWD Deer Restitution
Texas Administrative Code
TITLE 31 NATURAL RESOURCES AND CONSERVATION
PART 2 TEXAS PARKS AND WILDLIFE DEPARTMENT
CHAPTER 69 RESOURCE PROTECTION
SUBCHAPTER B FISH AND WILDLIFE VALUES
RULE §69.30 Trophy Wildlife Species

(1) White-tailed deer--The formula for white-tailed deer shall be applied to all individuals whose gross score exceeds 100 Boone and Crockett inches. The formula shall be: Recovery Value = ((gross score - 100) 2 x $1.65) plus the value derived in §69.22 of this title.

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RULE §69.22 Wildlife--Recovery Values
(a) Each species of bird, reptile, amphibian, or animal shall be assigned a score of 0-3 for each of eight scoring criteria. The sum of the scores for the eight criteria (subsection (b) of this section) shall be multiplied by a weighting factor (subsection (c) of this section), and the resulting adjusted criteria score is compared to the monetary scale (subsection (d) of this section) to obtain a monetary value.

(b) For scoring criteria listed in paragraphs (1)-(8) of this subsection, a species which is not sought at all shall be scored as 0, while a highly sought species shall be scored 3.

(1) Recreation. The extent to which a species is actively sought by users with wildlife interests. Scoring considers both harvest and nonharvest use of a species.

(2) Aesthetic. The social value of wildlife species. These values represent wildlife species' beauty or unique natural history. Aesthetic values for these species exist whether or not a person ever would encounter one in its natural habitat.

(3) Educational. The educational value of a species arising from, for example, published materials and other audio-visual media about the species, displays in zoos, or the relative frequency with which the species is used to exemplify important curricula principles.

(4) Scarcity. The relative population of a species within the range of its habitat, from abundant to scarce.

(5) Environmental Tolerance. The ability of a species to tolerate normal changes in climate, topography, water regimes or other ecological factors which may limit range and population.

(6) Economics. The direct or indirect economic benefit attributable to the species as a result of recreational or legal transactions.

(7) Recruitment. Reproductive and survival potential of a species as it relates to the capability for replacement of its population following decrease or loss.

(8) Ecological role. A species' relationships with other life forms--and the species contribution to a healthful and stable balance of nature. Widely-consumed forage species score high, as do predators which control prey species populations. Forage species that are not widely consumed score low, as do predators which contribute little to regulation of prey populations.

(c) The individual scores for the criteria are summed to derive a total criteria score. The total criteria score is multiplied by a weighting factor which adjusts the summed criteria score for variance in public demand and/or perception of value for a species. The weighting factor relates the overall demand for a species to its existing supply and to future opportunity for public use. The weighting factors are:

(1) 1.0--Abundant. No additional public demand or perception of value exists beyond that reflected by the eight criteria in subsection (b) of this section;

(2) 1.1--Frequent. Minor disparity exists between resource availability and public interest and the public demand fluctuates periodically around an equilibrium point;

(3) 1.3--Rare. Substantial disparity exists between available supply and identified public interest in species that are subject to ongoing management programs;

(4) 1.5--Scarce. The species populations are never expected to meet identified demands or needs, or management programs for a limited species are not fully developed with respect to planned recreational opportunity and economic contribution.

(d) The total criteria score multiplied by the weighting factor in subsections (a)-(c) of this section, provides an adjusted criteria score and corresponding recovery value for each species.

Adjusted Criteria


Score Range
Monetary Value
1 - 5.9 = $5.00
6 - 8.9 = $13.50
9 - 10.9 = $26.00
11 - 12.9 = $59.50
13 - 14.9 = $105.50
15 - 16.9 = $273.50
17 - 18.9 = $881.50
19 - 20.9 = $1,929.50
21 - 23.9 = $4,780.50
24 - 36.9 = $11,907.50
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Old 11-10-2019, 03:03 PM   #39
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The deer I shot in 2004 pretty sealed the sale of the 24 million Buckle L ranch!
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Old 11-12-2019, 08:30 AM   #40
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You should probably just give him the beat up Majek of yours and call it even.
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Old 11-14-2019, 03:46 PM   #41
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Interesting trend to me is how cheap big deer are getting on HF ranches. I remember when only a couple 200 inchers were killed in Texas a year. Now you can shoot a 3yo 200 incher on a small HF place for around $5k. Not the type of shooting I like, but an interesting trend in Texas hunting.
I am on a life long quest for a giant lf buck, but I want to hunt for it more than pay for it. I know you are paying for it one way or another, but don't want to just buy one that someone else has found and patterned. Not that there is anything wrong with that, just not my dream.
For me, the fun is in the quest.
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Now that's a LF stud!!!!! Wow..
Thank you. Highlight of my hunting life over 60 years.
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Old 11-14-2019, 04:02 PM   #43
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You should probably just give him the beat up Majek of yours and call it even.
Even trade?
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Old 11-15-2019, 09:29 PM   #44
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Thank you. Highlight of my hunting life over 60 years.
**** Tim, you’re old! .

Your lease has produced some awesome bucks, but that might just be the very best one of them!
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Old 11-17-2019, 11:52 PM   #45
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It cost a whole lot more than $15K to grow a LF net B&C buck!
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Old 11-18-2019, 06:17 PM   #46
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**** Tim, you’re old! .

Your lease has produced some awesome bucks, but that might just be the very best one of them!
I don't know - there have been some other amazing bucks taken. We took an 8 point with a drop this year that scored 194. His G2's were 15 1/2 inches.

Now that Steve is back on the lease he needs to bring you as a guest - I will put a bug in his ear

PM me your email address and I will send you a pic

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Old 11-18-2019, 06:44 PM   #47
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It cost a whole lot more than $15K to grow a LF net B&C buck!
It can. They also grow for free though too.

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Old 11-18-2019, 06:54 PM   #48
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It can. They also grow for free though too.
Not sure many grow for "free" - lol.

Even if you own the ranch they are never free. Even public land deer are not free.
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Old 11-18-2019, 07:13 PM   #49
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It cost a whole lot more than $15K to grow a LF net B&C buck!
you got that right - a true LF book buck is one in a million I have read - maybe nowdays the odds are a little better with management, etc. but it takes a pot load of $$ to produce world class bucks in a natural setting. Truth is South Texas is probably the best overall area of the USA to produce LF B&C book bucks on a regular basis
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Old 11-18-2019, 09:53 PM   #50
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Not sure many grow for "free" - lol.

Even if you own the ranch they are never free. Even public land deer are not free.
Agreed! We own our own place and have produced 3 net book deer in 10 years. I can assure you they were not “free”.
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