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You must be a newbie around the thread or missed the whole first of the season chatter in here. My whole comment earlier was a play on the Ags here and Twitter talking about the Clemson loss as being program changing....not all of course, but enough. The comment had nothing to do with wins or losses in general...I just wanted to see if they were included.. Speaking of Alabama, that loss was hinted as similar. The "two best losses in college football" is a quote I remember seeing....sarcastic or not.



Now that was some spin.... A program changing loss/loose!
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Listening to College talk show radio yesterday, they were discussing the Big 10 possibly going to a #1 vs #2 in the CCG regardless of divisions. Also talked about the SEC going to 9 conference games instead of 8. Saban and Malzon are on board. If this happens there will be one less "Little Debbie" non conference game in the SEC. The ACC will follow suit shortly too. If the SEC follows the #1 vs #2 model and Bama does not ever win the west, there could be 2 East teams playing a rematch for the CCG. Interesting!!!
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Bama not ever win the West? Not sure if serious....

This year would be UGA vs. UF if Bama had some losses.
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The Big 10 is crazy if you eliminate a reward for not winning your division.


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I guess they think they got left out due to tOSU playing a lower ranked team than OU.

Ugh, that system would have created the dreaded rematch with Michigan in consecutive weeks. No Bueno.
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So they are currently rewarding not winning your division?
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Hell they don't get rewarded for winning their conference in the playoff ...why stop there?



8 team playoff minimum!
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Crazy? Get ready for expansion talks. B1G is stirring the pot and eyeing TX/OU.


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I am (mostly) on board with this. It'd be cool to see our state be the first with multiple teams in the CFP.
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Old 12-06-2018, 12:58 PM   #311
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If I could vote, I would vote Kyler.

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Completely agree! I’m far from an OU fan but Murrray deserves it!
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Listening to College talk show radio yesterday, they were discussing the Big 10 possibly going to a #1 vs #2 in the CCG regardless of divisions. Also talked about the SEC going to 9 conference games instead of 8. Saban and Malzon are on board. If this happens there will be one less "Little Debbie" non conference game in the SEC. The ACC will follow suit shortly too. If the SEC follows the #1 vs #2 model and Bama does not ever win the west, there could be 2 East teams playing a rematch for the CCG. Interesting!!!
So the top two teams in the SEC regardless of East/West?

I don't like that, too subjective. I like the head-to-head, games played in the East and West with one more game to sort out the eventual winner of it all. For several years the east would have been left out completely when Alabama, Auburn and LSU were all good.
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So the top two teams in the SEC regardless of East/West?

I don't like that, too subjective. I like the head-to-head, games played in the East and West with one more game to sort out the eventual winner of it all. For several years the east would have been left out completely when Alabama, Auburn and LSU were all good.
I don't agree with it either. I also don't like the way the Big 12 does it now.
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Yeah, why on earth would you want the two best teams in your conference in the conference championship game...
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Yes crazy to have a division but eliminate the conference championship in exchange for a one v two. Then why not just eliminate the divisions.

TX and OU should do this.


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Yes crazy to have a division but eliminated the conference championship in exchange for a one v two. Then why not just eliminate the divisions.

TX and OU should do this.


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Yes crazy to have a division but eliminated the conference championship in exchange for a one v two. Then why not just eliminate the divisions.

TX and OU should do this.


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Not sure about that. I already miss some of the old SWC rivalries. Perhaps they could play TCU, BU and Tech OOC?
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Yeah, why on earth would you want the two best teams in your conference in the conference championship game...
I do want the two best teams, but I don't want anything to be subjective. If you get into picking the two best from the 14 teams in the SEC subjectively (like the CFPO committee), since there is no way they can all play each other, then 'favorites' start getting picked. The team that can draw a bigger crowd - even if nobody wants to admit it - would have an advantage. Vandy would have even less of a chance, being so small, while Tennessee who sticks on ice could still fill the stadium.

East plays its games, West plays its games, the division winners meet in Atlanta to figure things out on the field, not from the conference room at a 5-star hotel.
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The only time the 13th data point means anything in the Big 12 is if you don't have an undefeated team.
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Which last happened when?
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I do want the two best teams, but I don't want anything to be subjective. If you get into picking the two best from the 14 teams in the SEC subjectively (like the CFPO committee), since there is no way they can all play each other, then 'favorites' start getting picked. The team that can draw a bigger crowd - even if nobody wants to admit it - would have an advantage. Vandy would have even less of a chance, being so small, while Tennessee who sticks on ice could still fill the stadium.

East plays its games, West plays its games, the division winners meet in Atlanta to figure things out on the field, not from the conference room at a 5-star hotel.
The choice would lie in the hands of the CFP committee. The two highest ranked teams.
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Correct, well before the current CFP format.

Beyond that question...

There are, of course, three undefeated teams in this year's CFP. You can make the case that OSU shouldn't have lost to Purdue. In that case, combined with PYB's scenario - undefeated BigXII team (would have required OU to beat tu in RRS) - the BigXII would require the 13th data point be assured of a spot, no?
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The choice would lie in the hands of the CFP committee. The two highest ranked teams.
Too much subjectivity - just like the BIG12 plays for that 13th data point, let the SEC figure it out on the field.

I would like to see more E/W games in the regular season though, TAMU has two teams-GA and SC- scheduled for '19 from the east, no reason the other teams can't do the same.

Looking at the schedule for Bama it looks like they do also - Tennessee and SC. Also found this little clip in the article where I found their schedule 'The Crimson Tide will get two bye weeks -- Oct. 5 and Nov. 2 -- preceding games with Texas A&M and LSU, respectively.'

Between the bye weeks and the high probability of TAMU and LSU loosing their best defensive player to a targeting call the week before, it looks like Bama has things planned out pretty well.
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Too much subjectivity - just like the BIG12 plays for that 13th data point, let the SEC figure it out on the field.

I would like to see more E/W games in the regular season though, TAMU has two teams-GA and SC- scheduled for '19 from the east, no reason the other teams can't do the same.
Each SEC team has two cross-divisional matchups each season, including a constant cross-divisional "rivalry" game. I'd like to see it expanded to three to get to 9 conference games each.
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Need to add one to play 9 with 3 OOC.
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I was editing to reflect that preference.
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I was editing to reflect that preference.
As an Aggie fan I'd like the 3rd to be Vandy, or Tennessee.

The schedule looks brutal enough as is.
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Why does it need to be 9 conference games again? What is wrong with 8? If they want to change, why not make it 10?
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Why does it need to be 9 conference games again? What is wrong with 8? If they want to change, why not make it 10?
Simple, really. Every P5 except the ACC and SEC play 9 with 3 OOC games.

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Why does it need to be 9 conference games again? What is wrong with 8? If they want to change, why not make it 10?
Under the current CFP format, each conference has to position itself however it feels that they have the best opportunity to get at least one team in. The existing formula has worked so far for the SEC, based on the perceived overall strength of the conference. As other conferences revise their respective formulas, I'm sure the SEC is also continually evaluating to elevate their teams.

Similarly, individual teams have to look at conference vs OOC scheduling to best suit their program goals, depending on the (perceived) status of their program.
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Simple, really. Every P5 except the ACC and SEC play 9 with 3 OOC games.
But those two conferences have the most appearances and wins in the college playoffs. No need to change unless proven otherwise. As a fan, I would rather see more conference games.

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But those two conferences have the most appearances and wins in the college playoffs. No need to change unless proven otherwise. As a fan, I would rather see more conference games.
Exactly. The playing field is not level. The late season cream puff needs to be replaced with a quality foe. You proved the opposite point.

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But those two conferences have the most appearances and wins in the college playoffs. No need to change unless proven otherwise. As a fan, I would rather see more conference games.
They should all play a minimum of 9 conference games. Period.
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There are plenty of 'quality foe' without adding in an additional conference game for the SEC, even though I think they should. The Aggies have Texas State, Lamar and UTSA. With Clemson as OOC and Georgia/S Carolina as cross overs I don't think anybody could call the Ags schedule too soft.

The 3rd game would be great, but it's far from a requirement to be considered a legit schedule.

For a reference point, the media darling Notre Dame, only has three decent games next year. Georgia, USC and Michigan. There are some big names on the schedule, but they are mostly teams that were good 5-10 years ago.
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For a reference point, the media darling Notre Dame, only has three decent games next year. Georgia, USC and Michigan. There are some big names on the schedule, but they are mostly teams that were good 5-10 years ago.
Games are scheduled that far out in many cases. Not ND fault.
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That's stupid. If the Big 12-2 still actually had 12 teams they would be split in two divisions playing 8 conference games and a real conference championship just like the SEC and you wouldn't be stuck on that 9 game ****.
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That's stupid. If the Big 12-2 still actually had 12 teams they would be split in two divisions playing 8 conference games and a real conference championship just like the SEC and you wouldn't be stuck on that 9 game ****.
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Another one bites the dust from the Old Finebaum Show. “Jim from Crestwood” had a heart attack after the game Saturday. He would have fit right in on the Off The Rail Green Screen. Good Lord he was something when he got rolling.
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Is he though? He seems to be bent out of shape in the football threads.
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That's stupid. If the Big 12-2 still actually had 12 teams they would be split in two divisions playing 8 conference games and a real conference championship just like the SEC and you wouldn't be stuck on that 9 game ****.
Lol. The ACC and SEC are headed that direction. The B1g, Big 12 and Pac 12 all play 9. There's nothing stupid about everyone playing the same number of conference games.
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Really, the Big 12 has Kansas. lol



And the SEC, up until this year, had Kentucky and A&M. Maybe Kansas will flip it to above mediocre with their new coach too......


Kansas and A&M both think they have a gauntlet schedule to put it into perspective.. Alabama thinks its a cakewalk..

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And the SEC, up until this year, had Kentucky and A&M. Maybe Kansas will flip it to above mediocre with their new coach too......


Kansas and A&M both think they have a gauntlet schedule to put it into perspective.. Alabama thinks its a cakewalk..
mmk..Does OU think it's a cakewalk?

Hard to believe, but Kentucky has more talent than all but 2 teams in the Big 12 per 247composite. Vandy is the lowest in the SEC but ahead of 4 teams in the Big 12 (and the Big 12 has 4 less teams).
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mmk..Does OU think it's a cakewalk?

Hard to believe, but Kentucky has more talent than all but 2 teams in the Big 12 per 247composite. Vandy is the lowest in the SEC but ahead of 4 teams in the Big 12 (and the Big 12 has 4 less teams).

Evidently not completely since they lost in the Cotton Bowl...but their schedule says they were quite successful otherwise. Which is my point on perspective...


Ahhh yes...the subjective 247 composite that is lights out accurate. LMAO... carve that narrative.
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Old 12-06-2018, 05:26 PM   #350
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Games are scheduled that far out in many cases. Not ND fault.
Well they shouldn't get the praise heaped on them for beating every team that was good 10 years ago.
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