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Old 12-03-2018, 11:54 PM   #51
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Some of you need to pay a visit to our forum sponsor Mann Eye Center, because there is no tag and no freaking zip tie on that deer.
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Old 12-04-2018, 02:55 AM   #52
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If a proper LDP had been taken we wouldn't even be discussing a tag and zip tie! LOL
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Old 12-04-2018, 03:38 AM   #53
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If it's a buck tag you don't have to show proof of sex.The tag goes with the meat.Looks to me like he dumped the carcass,and didn't give a rip about that little basket rack.

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Since when?
If a buck is tagged you must have proof of sex and if in AR county the spread will be verified or proven un-branched.
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Old 12-04-2018, 07:30 AM   #54
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Yes there is a zip tie but no tag.
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Old 12-04-2018, 07:39 AM   #55
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I was able to get a bigger picture to load. The thing that some people think was a tag is actually a hoof. There is a zip tie and no tag on this deer. Someone thought about tagging it and then thought better if it. We are in an AR county so I suspect they were not wanting to get caught with a 12 1/2” deer.
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Old 12-04-2018, 07:43 AM   #56
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I was able to get a bigger picture to load. The thing that some people think was a tag is actually a hoof. There is a zip tie and no tag on this deer. Someone thought about tagging it and then thought better if it. We are in an AR county so I suspect they were not wanting to get caught with a 12 1/2” deer.

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And there you go! Hopefully the folks calling you and your brother a liar can enjoy their crow.


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Old 12-04-2018, 07:48 AM   #57
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Some of you need to pay a visit to our forum sponsor Mann Eye Center, because there is no tag and no freaking zip tie on that deer.
1-800 MY VISION. Heres the number since it looks like you need to make the call for your eyes and not everyone else LOL
Just messing with you
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Old 12-04-2018, 08:38 AM   #58
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To your point, your 2 notches you "see" are day of month notches (top and bottom row)... the month notches are at the ends. Why would two day notches and no month notch be cut?

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I was able to get a bigger picture to load. The thing that some people think was a tag is actually a hoof. There is a zip tie and no tag on this deer. Someone thought about tagging it and then thought better if it. We are in an AR county so I suspect they were not wanting to get caught with a 12 1/2” deer.
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Awesome! Just goes to show the power of a good hi res photo. Thanks for clearing that up I imagine someone shot & tagged it and a buddy kindly reminded them it was an AR county and they promptly removed their tag & dumped it.

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Old 12-04-2018, 09:10 AM   #59
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yeah i can see the cut out of the month and day on the hoof now!
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Old 12-04-2018, 09:14 AM   #60
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I was able to get a bigger picture to load. The thing that some people think was a tag is actually a hoof. There is a zip tie and no tag on this deer. Someone thought about tagging it and then thought better if it. We are in an AR county so I suspect they were not wanting to get caught with a 12 1/2” deer.
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Old 12-04-2018, 09:19 AM   #61
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So I guess y'all can leg it go now...

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Old 12-04-2018, 11:07 AM   #62
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1-800 MY VISION. Heres the number since it looks like you need to make the call for your eyes and not everyone else LOL
Just messing with you
LoLOLOLOLOLOL when I'm wrong I'm wrong. I cannot see the high-rez photo, only the potato one. How did y'all do that?
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Old 12-04-2018, 12:27 PM   #63
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There was a post on here a week or so ago about deer that get left in the woods because they are undersized. My brother found this buck today and I thought it related to that subject so I thought I would share. My brother is in no way a poacher. He is a highly skilled mechanic so he is capable of telling if there is a tag on a deer or not. This deer was not shot, tagged, or dumped by anyone on my lease. It’s funny how people who are looking at a reduced sized picture can tell more about a deer tag that a guy standing drlirectly over it. I appreaciate my brother being tied to tagging and then cutting up the deer up and dumping it. It’s not really funny.
Amen brother! no pun intended!
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Old 12-04-2018, 01:45 PM   #64
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Dang disgrace..
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Old 12-04-2018, 01:52 PM   #65
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Now all we got to do is find the killer
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Old 12-04-2018, 04:15 PM   #66
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I'll never get over the crap y'all think you see in blurry pictures.
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Old 12-05-2018, 05:21 PM   #67
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I’m waiting for the apologies. Some of you were so certain there was a tag. Now man up. If you eat enough crow it taste like chicken.
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Old 12-05-2018, 06:17 PM   #68
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I’m waiting for the apologies. Some of you were so certain there was a tag. Now man up. If you eat enough crow it taste like chicken.
Yep. The man said there was no tag. Ridiculous he had to post a better pic to "prove" it and shut people up.
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Old 12-05-2018, 06:23 PM   #69
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I’m waiting for the apologies. Some of you were so certain there was a tag. Now man up. If you eat enough crow it taste like chicken.
I didn’t post but I was pretty sure there was a tag! 😂
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Old 12-05-2018, 08:19 PM   #70
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That’s terrible looking.


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Old 12-05-2018, 08:26 PM   #71
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I didn’t post but I was pretty sure there was a tag! 😂
Lol... funny how the “know it alls” vanish when they’re wrong.
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Old 12-05-2018, 08:29 PM   #72
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Lol! They have some real winners out there
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Old 12-05-2018, 08:39 PM   #73
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Old 12-05-2018, 08:44 PM   #74
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I was able to get a bigger picture to load. The thing that some people think was a tag is actually a hoof. There is a zip tie and no tag on this deer. Someone thought about tagging it and then thought better if it. We are in an AR county so I suspect they were not wanting to get caught with a 12 1/2” deer.
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No tag...huh, why didn’t you say so earlier? LOL just kidding.

Do antlers close up a little, open op a little or stay the exact same width as the skull dries out? If a rack measures exactly 13” when freshly killed what would it measure in a week? A month?

I am curious, I don’t know the answer.
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Old 12-05-2018, 08:45 PM   #75
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I was able to get a bigger picture to load. The thing that some people think was a tag is actually a hoof. There is a zip tie and no tag on this deer. Someone thought about tagging it and then thought better if it. We are in an AR county so I suspect they were not wanting to get caught with a 12 1/2” deer.
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No tag...huh, why didn’t you say so earlier? LOL just kidding.

Do antlers close up a little, open op a little or stay the exact same width as the skull dries out? If a rack measures exactly 13” when freshly killed what would it measure in a week? A month?

I know that deer is very fresh, I am asking in general. I am curious, I don’t know the answer.
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Old 12-05-2018, 08:55 PM   #76
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Yeah they all go silent quickly. I could understand being questioned if I said I seen Bigfoot or a UFO or a Black panther. This was a simple deer tag. I was talking to my brother-( the one who can’t tell the difference in a tag or not) the other day and wondered if maybe there was a tag and the GW found the deer and removed it. It weird because it is the second buck we have found dead in the ditch in the last two weeks. The first was over 13” and not processed just left to waste. My property owner called thinking it may have been one we shot and couldn’t find. I meet the property owner at the deer and we flipped it over and it had a bullet hole right behind the shoulder. They just left it to go to waste.
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Old 12-05-2018, 09:07 PM   #77
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Old 12-05-2018, 09:30 PM   #78
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Just because it was dumped in a AR county doesn’t mean it was killed in one.
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Old 12-06-2018, 07:15 AM   #79
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[QUOTE=Hart8;13831062]

"If it's a buck tag you don't have to show proof of sex."



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Old 12-06-2018, 08:03 AM   #80
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Never hunted in an AR co.before..Here the only time you have to prove sex is when a doe is tagged a doe quartered up in an ice chest.

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Old 12-06-2018, 08:34 AM   #81
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Never hunted in an AR co.before..Here the only time you have to prove sex is when a doe is tagged a doe quartered up in an ice chest.

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Where is here? Outside of Texas?


On another note, after reading this post, I now know why there are so many black panther sightings in East Texas..
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Old 12-06-2018, 08:38 AM   #82
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Concho,not far from you

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You may wanna recheck the Game laws.
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I'll look it up.

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Old 12-06-2018, 08:48 AM   #85
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Yeah I think you might want to recheck that....
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Old 12-06-2018, 08:51 AM   #86
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Never hunted in an AR co.before..Here the only time you have to prove sex is when a doe is tagged a doe quartered up in an ice chest.

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If you hunt in Texas, you are flat our wrong on this. AR county or not, proof of sex is required. From TPWD:

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Notice: It is unlawful to possess a deer or pronghorn antelope with proof of sex removed unless the deer or antelope is at a final destination and has been quartered. Proof of sex includes one of the following:

* the head (skinned or unskinned) of a buck deer with antlers attached;
* the head (skinned or unskinned) of an antlerless deer;
* the unskinned head of a pronghorn; or
* a completed Managed Lands Deer Program (MLDP) Tag, Antlerless Mule Deer Permit, CWD Check Station Receipt, or TPWD Drawn Hunt Legal Deer Tag.

It is unlawful to remove the head or antlers (proof of sex) of deer or pronghorn at a commercial processor until the carcass has been quartered and entered into the cold storage logbook.

https://tpwd.texas.gov/regulations/o...s/proof-of-sex
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I've always wondered why so many people get tickets by the GW...

After reading this thread I know why.... :facepalm:


People, READ the Outdoor Annual... They're FREE when you buy a hunting license! That is "if" you even buy one....

Proof of sex not required for a buck? BS!

I feel sorry for others and kids that "learn" from the nonsense posted here.... Y'all know just as well as I do that kids today DO NOT do any kind of research. They see or hear something, make a knee jerk reaction and take it as the Gospel.

"but Mr. Game Warden, the guy on TBH said I don't have to show proof of sex for a buck."

"I'm sorry little Johnny, but you were misinformed. Sign here, your court date is listed on the citation."


Educate yourself before you "try" to educate someone else...
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There ya go. Hart8, Not trying to pick on ya, just don't want ya getting in trouble
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It says in your profile you hunt in Concho Cty, Tx. If that is correct, then you are dead wrong!!!! Unless you hunt on an MLD property, you have to keep proof of sex for any deer you kill!!!! On MLD properties, the MLD tag counts as proof of sex.

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If you hunt in Texas, you are flat our wrong on this. AR county or not, proof of sex is required. From TPWD:

Deer or Pronghorn Antelope
Notice: It is unlawful to possess a deer or pronghorn antelope with proof of sex removed unless the deer or antelope is at a final destination and has been quartered. Proof of sex includes one of the following:

* the head (skinned or unskinned) of a buck deer with antlers attached;
* the head (skinned or unskinned) of an antlerless deer;
* the unskinned head of a pronghorn; or
* a completed Managed Lands Deer Program (MLDP) Tag, Antlerless Mule Deer Permit, CWD Check Station Receipt, or TPWD Drawn Hunt Legal Deer Tag.

It is unlawful to remove the head or antlers (proof of sex) of deer or pronghorn at a commercial processor until the carcass has been quartered and entered into the cold storage logbook.

https://tpwd.texas.gov/regulations/o...s/proof-of-sex



GW also told me that if you quarter and cape your own deer in camp and then drop said deer head off at taxi on the way home, that a receipt from the taxi works as well....Their logbook will coincide with license tag.

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If you are leaving the head at a taxidermist for mounting and taking the meat home then this is the legal way to do it:

Fill out a wildlife resource document (located in the outdoor annual), and attach to the head of the deer. I always get a receipt from the taxi as well.
Keep the tag with the meat.
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I've always wondered why so many people get tickets by the GW...

After reading this thread I know why.... :facepalm:


People, READ the Outdoor Annual... They're FREE when you buy a hunting license! That is "if" you even buy one....

Proof of sex not required for a buck? BS!

I feel sorry for others and kids that "learn" from the nonsense posted here.... Y'all know just as well as I do that kids today DO NOT do any kind of research. They see or hear something, make a knee jerk reaction and take it as the Gospel.

"but Mr. Game Warden, the guy on TBH said I don't have to show proof of sex for a buck."

"I'm sorry little Johnny, but you were misinformed. Sign here, your court date is listed on the citation."


Educate yourself before you "try" to educate someone else...
I gave up being surprised at folks that don't know the most simple game laws. The other one that I've seen on here a few times over the years is the guy that didn't know he was supposed to notch or cut out the day and month on his deer tag and instead just colors it in or shades it. Then they come on TBH complaining about getting a ticket. We're talking about the most very basic game laws here and folks don't take the time to understand them and even worse, they pass this bad information on to others. Not intending to dog pile on the OP, but maybe this helps prevent somebody from getting a ticket.
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If you hunt in Texas, you are flat our wrong on this. AR county or not, proof of sex is required. From TPWD:

Deer or Pronghorn Antelope
Notice: It is unlawful to possess a deer or pronghorn antelope with proof of sex removed unless the deer or antelope is at a final destination and has been quartered. Proof of sex includes one of the following:

* the head (skinned or unskinned) of a buck deer with antlers attached;
* the head (skinned or unskinned) of an antlerless deer;
* the unskinned head of a pronghorn; or
* a completed Managed Lands Deer Program (MLDP) Tag, Antlerless Mule Deer Permit, CWD Check Station Receipt, or TPWD Drawn Hunt Legal Deer Tag.

It is unlawful to remove the head or antlers (proof of sex) of deer or pronghorn at a commercial processor until the carcass has been quartered and entered into the cold storage logbook.

https://tpwd.texas.gov/regulations/o...s/proof-of-sex

Yes, I'm OCD and usually go overboard just to CMA... this is what I do...

1. Shoot a deer, tag it (log filled out and everything)

2. Transport it to camp

3. Gut it and let it hang in the walk in cooler (tag still attached to the head)

4. The day before I leave to come home, I'll skin and quarter the deer. (Remember, the TAG stays with the MEAT, the HEAD is proof of sex.)

5. After it's quartered, I remove the tag from the head and place the tag in a ziplock bag along with a rock (to keep the bag from getting blown around by the wind) and place that inside the cooler with the meat.

6. Fill out a WRD (Wildlife Resource Document), place that inside a ziplock bag and attach it to the deer's head

7. Drop off meat to the processor with the tag, the proof of sex has a WRD so no extra paperwork to fill out at the processor.


I've asked our local GW about doing it this way and he said he has never seen anyone go thru all the steps to 100% be legal. He also said he would not write a citation to someone that left their tag on the head and had the meat in the cooler.


Y'all remember, game laws are open to interpretation by the GW and your "intent" is open to interpretation by the GW.... If you've experienced a hard-*** GW in your past that will run you thru the wringer, you'll learn to CYA.
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Old 12-06-2018, 09:31 AM   #94
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There ya go. Hart8, Not trying to pick on ya, just don't want ya getting in trouble
Lol! No sweat A.C.,thanks for the heads up.I've killed 5 doe a year several times over the years.When I used my buck tags on doe's,I never saved the head,or lady parts.My practice just changed.

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Old 12-06-2018, 09:42 AM   #95
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I haven't brought home a head in years. I copied this from the annual. I always just get a signed note from the landowner.

Exception to Proof of Sex
Instead of proof of sex, the hunter may obtain a receipt from a taxidermist or a signed statement from the landowner or the landowner’s agent containing the following information:

Name of person who killed the wildlife resource;
Date the wildlife resource was killed; and
One of the following, as applicable: Whether the deer was antlered or antlerless; the sex of the pronghorn; the sex of the turkey and whether a beard was attached; or the sex of the pheasant.
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Old 12-06-2018, 11:37 AM   #96
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Lol... funny how the “know it alls” vanish when they’re wrong.
See #62
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Old 12-06-2018, 11:53 AM   #97
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No doubt a tag. You can even see wording on it.


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ahhh yeah I see the wording now
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Old 12-06-2018, 11:59 AM   #98
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ahhh yeah I see the wording now


I’m literally chuckling to myself. Crazy what the eye can see when it wants to believe something lol.


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Old 12-06-2018, 12:00 PM   #99
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If you kill a deer on a MLD lll lease do you have to have proof of sex or is the MLD tag good enough? I have been keeping the head until final destination.
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Old 12-06-2018, 12:02 PM   #100
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Hate game thieves but at least they took the meat (assuming that predators didn’t).
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