Ammo gougers

[Walker]

Originally Posted by TwoHighways

Is it always monday, and does this apply to every academy location? I just want some .22 lr to do some plinking with.

SA stores were mon, we'd, and Fri. But the store I went to this morning said their truck will start coming Tuesdays and Thursdays.

[QuackHunter]

Originally Posted by TwoHighways

Is it always monday, and does this apply to every academy location? I just want some .22 lr to do some plinking with.

Each store differs on when they get trucks, this week has been very off it seems for deliveries. Some stores you have to get there hours early for a chance to buy anything, some you can get there when they open and buy. Also some stores are very strict on the 3 box limit and some will let you get back in line as many times as you’d like to.


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[Mike]

Originally Posted by LWD

Some this pricing is driven by the manufacturers. I was in a friend's gun shop last week. He told me his cost for a box of 50 9mm FMJ is $22. Think about that: his cost is 50% more than the retail price a year ago.

I think you mean his cost from his distributors has increased. Manufacturers are going on record to prove they have not increased costs in over 18 months. The middle men are making a ton of $$.

Look at it this way, if the manufacturers have increased costs, Academy would be the very first to raise prices and their prices are still the same.

Some call it capitalism and others call it greed.

I know of 1500 boxes of 50 round 9mm in Southeast Texas, limit 20 boxes per person at $35.95 per box, if you want to pay that,,,,,

[mikebyrge]

I saw, and bought, 22 lr for the first time in months at Carter’s Country in Spring this weekend.

Aguila high-velocity - $3.99 for 50 rounds. Only allowed one box.

I’ve been shooting skeet a couple times a month and thankfully bird-shot can still be found.

[QuackHunter]

Originally Posted by Mike

I think you mean his cost from his distributors has increased. Manufacturers are going on record to prove they have not increased costs in over 18 months. The middle men are making a ton of $$.

Look at it this way, if the manufacturers have increased costs, Academy would be the very first to raise prices and their prices are still the same.

Some call it capitalism and others call it greed.

I know of 1500 boxes of 50 round 9mm in Southeast Texas, limit 20 boxes per person at $35.95 per box, if you want to pay that,,,,,

Winchester has increased their pricing 6 times in the past year. I’ve noticed price increases at academy but the larger big box stores also have contracts and massive amounts on order so I’m sure their prices and time lines are better than a small shop buying a fraction of the amount


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[gatorgrizz27]

Originally Posted by Walker

SA stores were mon, we'd, and Fri. But the store I went to this morning said their truck will start coming Tuesdays and Thursdays.

I’d expect way less on them if the last few weeks around here are any indication. I’m wondering if they had pre-allocated orders for 2020 that aren’t happening any more.

[joel45acp]

Originally Posted by eradicator

That didn't work out too well for the Indians, as sad as that is

Indians didn’t have a Hoyt........

[Shurshot]

Yet people still pay the crazy high prices.


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[Etxbuckman]

Originally Posted by Strummer

I went to 5 places today looking for 243 . No luck .

Here ya’ go. I guess they decided if the other place could charge $70 and get it then they could charge $50.

https://www.ammofreedom.com/federal-...t&asaid=as0003

[35remington]

Originally Posted by WyoBull

Certainly not illegal, we live in a free market system <snip>

No, we do not. Texas law prohibits artificially raising the price for certain items.

Here is a specific example: https://www.statesman.com/story/news...ic/3932523001/

[DRT]

The ammo producers are getting pressured by government not to produce the supply being demanded. But instead of the producers getting to reap the bounty of increased demand and limited supply it goes to the gougers, ticket scalpers if you will.
But hey if you were being threatened by the left to limit supply to citizens or face bankruptcy in prosecution what would you do?

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[Tony Pic]

It does not help that Obama chased all the lead smelters out of the USA.
Just about all is imported. Guns are plentiful, no ammo.
https://www.politifact.com/factcheck...after-epa-clo/

[RiverRat1]

Originally Posted by DRT

The ammo producers are getting pressured by government not to produce the supply being demanded. But instead of the producers getting to reap the bounty of increased demand and limited supply it goes to the gougers, ticket scalpers if you will.
But hey if you were being threatened by the left to limit supply to citizens or face bankruptcy in prosecution what would you do?

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It has to be something like this. For over a decade I've asked why no one competes more or expands production. Always an excuse. But demand stays super high. Now that Dems have taken over demand will only increase more.

[35remington]

Originally Posted by DRT

The ammo producers are getting pressured by government not to produce the supply being demanded.

Produce evidence of this.

[Mission408]

Im probably in the minority here but think (and hope) ammo will be almost back to normal in 6 months.

[Etxbuckman]

Originally Posted by Etxbuckman

Here ya’ go. I guess they decided if the other place could charge $70 and get it then they could charge $50.

https://www.ammofreedom.com/federal-...t&asaid=as0003

Edit: looks like they actually do have some in stock

[rtjh]

Originally Posted by Mission408

Im probably in the minority here but think (and hope) ammo will be almost back to normal in 6 months.

I hope so, it sure would be nice to go shoot without having to worry about replacing your ammo. I've stopped shooting unless I'm hunting.

[gingib]

Originally Posted by jmeghunts

You guys beat the same group of dead horses every dang day. Find something new to complain about.

I do agree. Same guys who buy 1-2 boxes at a time and now have no ammo


WHen the price is right, load up. It doesn't go bad

I just sit back and laugh

[rut-ro]

Originally Posted by gingib

I do agree. Same guys who buy 1-2 boxes at a time and now have no ammo


WHen the price is right, load up. It doesn't go bad

I just sit back and laugh

So when the times get right the guys that but 1-2 will buy 15-20 and the guys that normally buy 15-20 will buy 50-60. I think the days of fully stocked ammo shelves ammo shelves are over. Unless it makes a rebound like TP.

[Etxbuckman]

Once nice thing about ammo shortages is the possibility that those pesky and inconsiderate neighbors who only seem to like to shoot up the woods at dawn and dusk during deer season may not be able to afford to any longer.

[DRT]

Originally Posted by 35remington

Produce evidence of this.

I have zero. I just figured that's how it's done here now. Just post anything and it's true because someone said so.

But honestly I don't but the BS reasons given in the latest responses from the ammo producers either. In any business if your customer base grows and demand grows you increase shifts, production equipment and your profits.

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[35remington]

Originally Posted by DRT

I have zero. I just figured that's how it's done here now. Just post anything and it's true because someone said so.

But honestly I don't but the BS reasons given in the latest responses from the ammo producers either. In any business if your customer base grows and demand grows you increase shifts, production equipment and your profits.

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Unless, of course, the last time you did that, in preparation for Hillary to become president, your company took a ****ing bath. I encourage you to read about this on a non-bowhunting website. This is a good place to start: https://www.recoilweb.com/why-is-the...ne-162059.html

Appreciate the honesty about talking out of your azz. We all do it—it’s just good to be up front about it.

[tdwinklr]

Originally Posted by kae006

While $100 for 50 rounds of .40 is nuts, however $168 for 200 9mm is no less nuts. How do you draw the line?

agreed. Start reloading or just quit shooting for awhile.

[tdwinklr]

check this out ............


https://www.themeateater.com/video/f...5jb20ifQ%3D%3D

[RiverRat1]

Originally Posted by 35remington

Unless, of course, the last time you did that, in preparation for Hillary to become president, your company took a ****ing bath. I encourage you to read about this on a non-bowhunting website. This is a good place to start: https://www.recoilweb.com/why-is-the...ne-162059.html

Appreciate the honesty about talking out of your azz. We all do it—it’s just good to be up front about it.

That article contradicts itself. The only reason they give is "the bottom may fall out of the market" Using that logic Americans would run out of everything because companies would never expand.

Name one product with as much over demand as ammo..just one. And that article also states it's going to take a LONG time to get back to normal, if ever.

I think our government is keeping them from producing. That would make a whole lot more sense. Limit resources needed, tax them more etc.

[Keith]

Originally Posted by tdwinklr

agreed. Start reloading or just quit shooting for awhile.

Where do I buy primers?

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[ultrastealth]

The problem isn't the gougers, its the people paying those prices and the people hording literally tens of thousands of rounds. That's where your ire should be.

[M16]

Originally Posted by ultrastealth

The problem isn't the gougers, its the people paying those prices and the people hording literally tens of thousands of rounds. That's where your ire should be.

Wrong! Look in the mirror and you shall see who is the blame for lack of preparation.

[BigJimmyRustler]

Originally Posted by ultrastealth

The problem isn't the gougers, its the people paying those prices and the people hording literally tens of thousands of rounds. That's where your ire should be.

This post screams socialism....
What I spent/spend MY money isn't anyones business lol.
If someone wants to sell ammo to someone else for .65 CPR they bought for .20CPR and they're happy to buy/sell it why should anyone else care?

[TwoHighways]

If SHTF, thousands of rounds of ammo is going to be tough transport. If you need more than a 500 rounds for every caliber you own, you'll probably end up dead before you exhaust your supply. That being said, it'll be great to barter with. As many problems as this country faces, I still appreciate the creature comforts living in a mostly civilized society affords us. I hope we collectively get our sh*t together before it things degrade into some sort of mad max scenario.

[BigJimmyRustler]

Originally Posted by TwoHighways

If SHTF, thousands of rounds of ammo is going to be tough transport. If you need more than a 500 rounds for every caliber you own, you'll probably end up dead before you exhaust your supply.

Why would people need to transport all of it?
a standard 50cal ammo can holds a ****pile of 5.56 and 9mm btw (or so I hear)

[TwoHighways]

Originally Posted by BigJimmyRustler

Why would people need to transport it?

If you live out in the country, you'll probably be fine. If you live in an urban/suburban area, the first thing you'll want to do is get away from others.

[wellingtontx]

I hope the price gougers and those that are buying it up from the regular user are spending their lunch money and look foolish in 6 months.

[Clay C]

Originally Posted by ultrastealth

The problem isn't the gougers, its the people paying those prices and the people hording literally tens of thousands of rounds. That's where your ire should be.

Some people actually like to shoot their guns and like to have enough on hand to last them during the slim times. Those aren't the people buying ammo now. The people buying all of the ammo now are the people who didn't get while the gettin was good and used to say things like "why do you need all that ammo?"

We had several years where ammo was cheap and plentiful and plenty of reference that it wouldn't last. If someone needs ammo now and can't get it they have no one to blame but themselves.

I do feel bad for the people who just got into shooting or firearms as all of this was hitting though.

[RiverRat1]

Originally Posted by ultrastealth

The problem isn't the gougers, its the people paying those prices and the people hording literally tens of thousands of rounds. That's where your ire should be.

Do you realize how many people hoarded ammo years ago? Just imagine if they didn't. They would be on the demand side now and things would be a lot worse. If they didn't hoard that would have reduced demand in the past also which would be less manufacturing today, so a double whammy.

Everyone should hoard when prices are cheap. It keeps ammo companies doing good all the time. We've had this discussion like 8 times over the past 15-20 years and we will have it again.

I even remember long ago starting threads saying how it was cheap and free shipping (when I found that) and telling people to load up.

[rtjh]

Originally Posted by Clay C

Some people actually like to shoot their guns and like to have enough on hand to last them during the slim times. Those aren't the people buying ammo now. The people buying all of the ammo now are the people who didn't get while the gettin was good and used to say things like "why do you need all that ammo?"

We had several years where ammo was cheap and plentiful and plenty of reference that it wouldn't last. If someone needs ammo now and can't get it they have no one to blame but themselves.

I do feel bad for the people who just got into shooting or firearms as all of this was hitting though.

People who previously hoarded ammo are hoarding even more ammo now, at least the ones I know.

[Clay C]

Originally Posted by BigJimmyRustler

Why would people need to transport all of it?
a standard 50cal ammo can holds a ****pile of 5.56 and 9mm btw (or so I hear)

And why does stocking up on ammo have to be about shtf/bugging out?

I know this is way crazy guys but stay with me. What if one day in the very very distant future, a bunch of morons freak out over a virus. Then the government tells you you can't go to work or leave your house. Then mass civil unrest and riots hit many parts of the country for months. All causing people who didn't previously own guns, and people who didn't stock up on ammo during the good times to start panicking. Then, an openly anti-gun administration and congress gets elected. Causing further panic. All this adds up to a really bad situation for ammo availability.

What if you want to have ammo on hand to be able to shoot, train, practice and hunt during something like that?

Again. I know that is an absolutely crazy hypothetical scenario, but you never know what may happen.

[Clay C]

Originally Posted by rtjh

People who previously hoarded ammo are hoarding even more ammo now, at least the ones I know.

How are they buying it if it isn't available to people who don't have any?

[RiverRat1]

Originally Posted by Clay C

And why does stocking up on ammo have to be about shtf/bugging out?

I know this is way crazy guys but stay with me. What if one day in the very very distant future, a bunch of morons freak out over a virus. Then the government tells you you can't go to work or leave your house. Then mass civil unrest and riots hit many parts of the country for months. All causing people who didn't previously own guns, and people who didn't stock up on ammo during the good times to start panicking. Then, an openly anti-gun administration and congress gets elected. Causing further panic. All this adds up to a really bad situation for ammo availability.

What if you want to have ammo on hand to be able to shoot, train, practice and hunt during something like that?

Again. I know that is an absolutely crazy hypothetical scenario, but you never know what may happen.

What's crazier is thinking how things always get crazier. It will get wild before long. May not be 2021 but I bet one of these coming years before 2025 we top 2020.

[BigJimmyRustler]

Originally Posted by Clay C

And why does stocking up on ammo have to be about shtf/bugging out?

I know this is way crazy guys but stay with me. What if one day in the very very distant future, a bunch of morons freak out over a virus. Then the government tells you you can't go to work or leave your house. Then mass civil unrest and riots hit many parts of the country for months. All causing people who didn't previously own guns, and people who didn't stock up on ammo during the good times to start panicking. Then, an openly anti-gun administration and congress gets elected. Causing further panic. All this adds up to a really bad situation for ammo availability.

What if you want to have ammo on hand to be able to shoot, train, practice and hunt during something like that?

Again. I know that is an absolutely crazy hypothetical scenario, but you never know what may happen.

LMAO!!!

[BrianL]

Originally Posted by RiverRat1

Do you realize how many people hoarded ammo years ago? Just imagine if they didn't. They would be on the demand side now and things would be a lot worse. If they didn't hoard that would have reduced demand in the past also which would be less manufacturing today, so a double whammy.

Everyone should hoard when prices are cheap. It keeps ammo companies doing good all the time. We've had this discussion like 8 times over the past 15-20 years and we will have it again.

I even remember long ago starting threads saying how it was cheap and free shipping (when I found that) and telling people to load up.

Agreed. We try to keep at least supplies to reload about 30K rounds(about a years worth of normal shooting when shooting steel matches), plus what I buy as factory rifle, 22lr, other ammo. I loaded 700 9mm on Saturday. We are down about 50% of our primers, but we buy 30K bullets and primers at a time when times are normal. I've bought some bullets thru this, but no primers.

[Tjacks84]

I've been thinking about standing in line. It's just crazy can't hardly find anything.

[FVR JR]

I only have a problem with the people going around buying everything up, marking it up, then trying to act like they're doing you a favor. "But I don't buy it and sell it at a high price then someone else will buy it and keep it, my time is worth $X" is an argument I've seen. Then you get scalper "companies" that miraculously have herters, monarch etc private store brand ammo in stock at 300% markup, but want to act like they got it from a distributor. I have no problem with people selling ammo for high prices if someone else willingly pays it. I won't pay it, that's my choice. Capitalism at it's worst is still better than socialism. But let's not pretend it's not just about the money and/or greed when it comes to ammo right now.

[Clay C]

Originally Posted by BrianL

Agreed. We try to keep at least supplies to reload about 30K rounds(about a years worth of normal shooting when shooting steel matches), plus what I buy as factory rifle, 22lr, other ammo. I loaded 700 9mm on Saturday. We are down about 50% of our primers, but we buy 30K bullets and primers at a time when times are normal. I've bought some bullets thru this, but no primers.

"You didn't build tha...." oops, I mean "you don't need that"

[WyoBull]

In my simple minded opinion, fear and fear alone is what is driving this shortage. If people were not in a near panic state thinking the Zombie Apocalypse was coming, there would be plenty to go around.

It is no different than 6-9 months ago when you could not find any toilet paper or cleaning supplies on store shelves.

I don't regularly buy ammunition as I am a reloader and have enough supplies to last a long time but I just think if we could get out of the state of fear we are in, everything would and will be just fine

[KyleW]

Originally Posted by tdwinklr

agreed. Start reloading or just quit shooting for awhile.

Reloading supplies aren’t available either, at least not most powders or primers. Reloading isn’t the answer right now unless you are already set up to reload.

[ultrastealth]

Originally Posted by BigJimmyRustler

This post screams socialism....
What I spent/spend MY money isn't anyones business lol.
If someone wants to sell ammo to someone else for .65 CPR they bought for .20CPR and they're happy to buy/sell it why should anyone else care?

You have a poor understanding of socialism. The reason that prices are high is supply and demand. Simple capitalism. I didn't say that people shouldn't be able to spend what they want on whatever they need. I said that the reason that prices are so high is that people are hording ammo, even at the current prices. That ammo is sitting around, not being shot. I didn't say that they should be punished for that or that it should be stopped. Oh, and for the poster above who said that lack of preparation was my issue, he'd be wrong. I have plenty of ammo, because I bought it when it was cheap. I also reload.

[TX03RUBI]

Originally Posted by ultrastealth

The problem isn't the gougers, its the people paying those prices and the people hording literally tens of thousands of rounds. That's where your ire should be.

I always like to blame others for my failures as well.

The fact that this hoarding tens of thousands of rounds haven’t bought them this year. They did it when ammo was plentiful and cheap. I’ll let you come to your own conclusions on who to blame.

[QuackHunter]

Originally Posted by BigJimmyRustler

Why would people need to transport all of it?
a standard 50cal ammo can holds a ****pile of 5.56 and 9mm btw (or so I hear)

About 1250 223, or 2200 9 in 1 50cal can. Though one full of 9 is about 60lbs


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[TX03RUBI]

Originally Posted by TwoHighways

If SHTF, thousands of rounds of ammo is going to be tough transport. If you need more than a 500 rounds for every caliber you own, you'll probably end up dead before you exhaust your supply. That being said, it'll be great to barter with. As many problems as this country faces, I still appreciate the creature comforts living in a mostly civilized society affords us. I hope we collectively get our sh*t together before it things degrade into some sort of mad max scenario.

I’m not hoarding ammo because I expect to fight with thousands of rounds. I’m hoarding ammo so I can continue my lifestyle of hunting and shooting while others sit around on social media crying about not being able to find any. I do have defensive ammo for that intent, but I’m not fooling myself into thinking I’ll last hundred or thousands of rounds worth of fighting.