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Old 01-12-2021, 11:25 PM   #1
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Curious if anyone lives there or works there? Just watched a documentary on Netflix (Dirty Money) about this plant. I corroborated most of what I saw with other sites. Apparently they have consistently discharged pellets and chemicals into the bay and devastated the fishing and shrimp. Would like to hear any first hand knowledge of the town and the company.

It was not entirely surprising to see a company value money over its community. I was more shocked that texas (tceq) doesn't have much teeth in enforcing it's environmental laws (always cheaper to pay fines than comply and they never revoked a permit). As a fisherman and hunter myself I put a high value on clean water and clean air as most of you do. Hope the situation improves.

"Texas judge approves historic settlement agreement in water pollution case | The Texas Tribune" https://www.texastribune.org/2019/12...n-formosa/amp/


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Old 01-12-2021, 11:33 PM   #2
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Not sure about shrimp, but there’s no shortage of Oyster Boats when it’s season.
Fishing is pretty darn good in the area in the winter time.

Several law suits against the plant for pellets in the water. (Just read link)

Obviously some truth to it or they just settled. Dang plant traffic is outrageous in the mornings and evenings.
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Old 01-13-2021, 12:09 AM   #3
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Unsafest plant to work at imo been there back and forth over the years and never a good place to work at accidents happen there frequently, but fishing is pretty good around the area for sporting not consumption
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Old 01-13-2021, 12:58 AM   #4
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Locals eat the fish on a regular basis. Have seen the signs stating above.
Oysters harvested near the causeway are sold locally as well as abroad.

I only worked there about a year. I was lucky to never have been involved or around any accidents. Don’t recall hearing of any in that time period either though. But it’s been a while since I worked there.
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Old 01-13-2021, 08:55 AM   #5
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The folks around here generally look at it as not a great place to work. Like, if you just have to have a job to get you through until a better plant is hiring you can work out there to make ends meet for a while. Or for young guys it is a place you can go get your foot in the door before moving on to something better. I've never heard good stuff about it from folks working there or who previously worked there. Now, I am an hour away from there so they guys I know who have worked there were driving a good ways and have better options closer by.
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Old 01-13-2021, 08:56 AM   #6
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Grew up there and spent many days in water (still do actually as have smoked them this winter ). As with Alcoa and many plants on the coast they have had their issues.

Are they real ? Yes. Have they destroyed the bay system ? Absolutely not. Should they continue to be monitored ? Yep.


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Old 01-13-2021, 09:09 AM   #7
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I work at the plant . Been there 25 years . Two of the guys on the movie are liars . I know them both . Both of them got fired for policy violations . Noting to do with epa like they claim . And Dale the one who claim the Chinese mafia was after him is freaking insane . The plant has had some issues as all plants have .
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Old 01-13-2021, 10:19 AM   #8
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I work at the plant . Been there 25 years . Two of the guys on the movie are liars . I know them both . Both of them got fired for policy violations . Noting to do with epa like they claim . And Dale the one who claim the Chinese mafia was after him is freaking insane . The plant has had some issues as all plants have .
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I agree with your statement, I have worked at the plant for 18 years and I know (knew) Dale personally as he was married to my Aunt.
I have worked for other Plants around the area and I personally can't say they are any better or worse.
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Old 01-13-2021, 10:19 AM   #9
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That Wilson lady broke into one the local plants several years ago and tied herself up to one of the vessels in the plant.
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Old 01-13-2021, 10:24 AM   #10
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That Wilson lady broke into one the local plants several years ago and tied herself up to one of the vessels in the plant.


Was at carbide . And after the lawsuit they filed on her she was banned from having anything to do or say about the company.
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I agree with your statement, I have worked at the plant for 18 years and I know (knew) Dale personally as he was married to my Aunt.

I have worked for other Plants around the area and I personally can't say they are any better or worse.


I knew dale from him living in Lolita . I was a teenager and remember him being nuts then .
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I knew dale from him living in Lolita . I was a teenager and remember him being nuts then .
Yeah he's crazy. They don't mention the million(s) dollar settlement he got when he was fired.
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Old 01-13-2021, 10:48 AM   #13
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That Wilson lady broke into one the local plants several years ago and tied herself up to one of the vessels in the plant.
To bad it wasnít in the alky unit. That would have broke her from that habbit.
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Old 01-13-2021, 02:32 PM   #14
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From my understanding, a couple of the environmental leaders ended up going to prison or being fined personally since they were the ones who signed the reports. That is what I have heard, but I have never fact checked that.

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Old 01-13-2021, 03:33 PM   #15
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It has completely destroyed the fishing in the area. Stay far far away. The water is toxic to the touch and if you were to catch a fish it is instant death.


Matter of fact, it's so bad I would just avoid everything from Port Lavaca down to Port O'Connor. Go to Rockport or Matagorda just be safe.
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It has completely destroyed the fishing in the area. Stay far far away. The water is toxic to the touch and if you were to catch a fish it is instant death.


Matter of fact, it's so bad I would just avoid everything from Port Lavaca down to Port O'Connor. Go to Rockport or Matagorda just be safe.
No no, itís contaminated all the way up to Matagorda. Rockport and south is much safer.
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Old 01-13-2021, 05:12 PM   #17
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I'm gonna be in that plant tomorrow! Sure hope I survive!!!
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Old 01-13-2021, 06:49 PM   #18
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I'm gonna be in that plant tomorrow! Sure hope I survive!!!
This just confirmed how shady this place must be! Low standards!
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Old 01-13-2021, 07:33 PM   #19
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From my understanding, a couple of the environmental leaders ended up going to prison or being fined personally since they were the ones who signed the reports. That is what I have heard, but I have never fact checked that.

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That is not true .
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Old 01-13-2021, 07:34 PM   #20
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I'm gonna be in that plant tomorrow! Sure hope I survive!!!


What ya going to be doing in the plant ? Do you know what unit ? There are several in turn a rounds right now .
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I'm gonna be in that plant tomorrow! Sure hope I survive!!!
If you arrive early in the morning, a Half Loaded Biscuit or a Stacker from Hard Hat are a must!
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Old 01-13-2021, 08:23 PM   #22
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Strummer do you know Curtis Rickman?
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Old 01-13-2021, 08:26 PM   #23
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I’m going to be in the main admin. building inside Gate 3. Meeting with some of the LDPE folks.
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I know the name from when I worked maintenance at olefins 1 .
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Old 01-13-2021, 08:29 PM   #25
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Iím going to be in the main admin. building inside Gate 3. Meeting with some of the LDPE folks.


Oh ok I got kin folk at the new ldpe unit they started up .
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Old 01-13-2021, 08:34 PM   #26
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I was just out at EG all last week upgrading a PLC
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Old 01-13-2021, 08:47 PM   #27
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Not sure how they treat the environment but I send them Ethylene and Propylene and all the guys I talked to on the phone are pretty jam up.
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Old 01-13-2021, 08:51 PM   #28
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Not sure how they treat the environment but I send them Ethylene and Propylene and all the guys I talked to on the phone are pretty jam up.

If ya was doing it 16 years ago it might have be me . I imported and exported ethylene to the pipeline .
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What system they running ? Yokogawa ?
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Old 01-13-2021, 08:53 PM   #31
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No sir I wasn’t there then. I talk to Benji and Peter mostly.
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Yeah they are at olefins 1 . I worked ol2
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Old 01-13-2021, 10:57 PM   #34
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I’ve worked there over the years literally it’s my fall back jobsite when work slows down around the corpus area, been in ol1&2, eg, vcm, ol3 new const and wison I’ll be there for a while then get pulled when a project picks up and then pulled from there. The site manager for the company I work for passed away back in November not sure if maybe y’all heard of that on his way to the plant early in the morning.
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Old 01-13-2021, 11:25 PM   #35
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The local paper has been hitting them pretty hard with negative articles. So public perception is that they are not as safe. But if they are by far the largest plant in the area and employ the most people.

So they are more likely to have more incidents spills etc. As far as the pellets in the bays, from my calculations (the paper reported a number of pellets which I believe was in the millions), it was roughly 150 lbs of plastic. If one was to walk along the seashore , or local ditches, it wouldn't take long to come up with 150 pounds of plastic.

I fish Cox bay quite a bit and don't worry about the fish. We do pretty well on redfish and some trout. Environmentally, I believe the area is considered a Superfund site because of the Alcoa plant.

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