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Old 01-09-2020, 10:18 PM   #101
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Iíve got a 2012 I bought new... 195k on it, I work in the oilfield and the truck has been down a ton of bad roads at a high rate of speed lol. Never once experienced DW... my wife is driving a 19 w/ 6k on it with no issues. I did put a 3Ē lift kit w/ 35ís on mine at 28k w/ dual steering stabilizers. I guess I should knock on wood.... I bought my wife the 19í bc of the good luck Iíve had with mine.


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Old 01-09-2020, 10:20 PM   #102
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Lol! No.
Right at 70k on my 16. Not a lick of trouble on anything. BIL has 140k plus and never any trouble either.
I honestly donít know of anyone personally that has had dw on their Ford.


Same here after the other thread I saw on this I asked a lot of guys I know with fords super dutyís and none had ever experienced this


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Old 01-10-2020, 12:26 AM   #103
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My uncle's 2018 had the same problem. Has been in the shop 4 times. He was finally told "These 3/4ton+ vehicles aren't made to be ran down the highway unloaded. That being said, without a load on the vehicle it can be expected to have a death wobble at speeds over 65mph." Joke of an answer in my opinion.
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Old 01-10-2020, 07:47 AM   #104
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He was finally told "These 3/4ton+ vehicles aren't made to be ran down the highway unloaded. That being said, without a load on the vehicle it can be expected to have a death wobble at speeds over 65mph."
Lol, yeah right. The new 3/4 tons ride as stiff as old half tons used too. My opinion, too many guys are driving a 3/4 ton as a daily driver (Not judging, just observing), and all three brands are now marketing to these people because there is a lot of them out there, and the big three are putting lighter duty equipment on them to make them ride smoother, while still getting a premium price for them.
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Old 01-10-2020, 09:02 AM   #105
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Any guesses what percentage of 250s end up with this problem? I have a 2016.

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Old 01-10-2020, 09:29 AM   #106
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Dang I wish ford would hire me to be a truck tester, as ever single super duty we have had since 2007 has gotten DW
No level kits or lifts, stock tires, just high way and ranch roads
I donít work in a office or some chemical plant, or use a truck as a grocery getter or mall crawl
Donít ever abuse them just use them to work with and pull a 25 foot power catamaran when I can get time
IMO our 3/4 and 1 ton trucks went south when they quit putting 16 inch rims and went to 18 and 20ís
My trucks always had 235/85/16 mainly with discount tire pathfinder tires or bfg a/t even our expeditionís got 200,000 + miles with out the DW on 16ís
Dang. If I had that kind of luck with them, I think I would buy something else
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Any guesses what percentage of 250s end up with this problem? I have a 2016.

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Well you have to break that question down. How many F250s get it where the tires have proper levels of tread, the front end is tight, stock tires and rims, proper pressures, and no modifications done to the front of the truck (Level, bigger tires, spacers, etc...).

The amount of death wobble when all those conditions are according to MFG specs is a very small percentage. Michael sounds like a prime example of this, and sounds like the dealer took care of it. Which is good to hear.

So far a lot of the guys on this thread that got it had a failure of one or more of the foregoing components listed. I have a 2012, and it's never concerned me. I have never upgraded anything "just in case" on the front of my truck. Just routine maintenance and repairs.
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Well you have to break that question down. How many F250s get it where the tires have proper levels of tread, the front end is tight, stock tires and rims, proper pressures, and no modifications done to the front of the truck (Level, bigger tires, spacers, etc...).



The amount of death wobble when all those conditions are according to MFG specs is a very small percentage. Michael sounds like a prime example of this, and sounds like the dealer took care of it. Which is good to hear.



So far a lot of the guys on this thread that got it had a failure of one or more of the foregoing components listed. I have a 2012, and it's never concerned me. I have never upgraded anything "just in case" on the front of my truck. Just routine maintenance and repairs.
Great info, thank you. The only changes to my truck from when it came off the line are dents, scratches and addition of an A&M Century Club sticker. Maybe I'll dodge the wobble issue.

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Old 01-10-2020, 10:00 AM   #109
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What does that even mean? Dale made a legit post. Death wobble in those fordís is dangerous at worst and laughable at best
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What does that even mean? Dale made a legit post. Death wobble in those fordís is dangerous at worst and laughable at best
If you look at what I bolded and italicized in Dale's quote you'll see the context of the joke. And by reading the thread you'll see that I was affected, and take very seriously, the death wobble on these trucks.
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Dang I wish ford would hire me to be a truck tester, as ever single super duty we have had since 2007 has gotten DW
No level kits or lifts, stock tires, just high way and ranch roads
I donít work in a office or some chemical plant, or use a truck as a grocery getter or mall crawl
Donít ever abuse them just use them to work with and pull a 25 foot power catamaran when I can get time
IMO our 3/4 and 1 ton trucks went south when they quit putting 16 inch rims and went to 18 and 20ís
My trucks always had 235/85/16 mainly with discount tire pathfinder tires or bfg a/t even our expeditionís got 200,000 + miles with out the DW on 16ís
Why would you keep buying Fords with that history?
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My 18 started it today....
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Well you have to break that question down. How many F250s get it where the tires have proper levels of tread, the front end is tight, stock tires and rims, proper pressures, and no modifications done to the front of the truck (Level, bigger tires, spacers, etc...).

The amount of death wobble when all those conditions are according to MFG specs is a very small percentage. Michael sounds like a prime example of this, and sounds like the dealer took care of it. Which is good to hear.

So far a lot of the guys on this thread that got it had a failure of one or more of the foregoing components listed. I have a 2012, and it's never concerned me. I have never upgraded anything "just in case" on the front of my truck. Just routine maintenance and repairs.
My brother got it on his 2019 when he had like 30,000 miles, stock everything except for a front replacement bumper on the front and a flat bed on the back, Ford ďfixedĒ it then he got it again about a month later. This truck is used for hauling as well so itís not just a grocery getter. He hasnít had it again and he did replace the tires on it at about 45,000 miles.

Itís a c*** shoot if you get it or not I personally think, I think it has a lot to do with the steering stabilizer and the c*** tires the trucks come with as he does have the 18Ē wheels on his truck, but I donít get why 18Ē wheels matter.

My dad and uncle have never gotten it in there 17 dually or 19 F250 though.
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Just replaced the steering stabilizer shock on my friends 2019 that I mentioned above. His factory stabilizer was as bad or worse than mine.

I can only speak for certain on 2019's but for anyone with the 17+ body style I would highly recommend looking at the stabilizer shock. Moving the shock by hand feels like internals that keep the fluid separated (and create the dampening effect) are failing.

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Old 01-10-2020, 12:26 PM   #115
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Now Zac, I have been told here repeatedly that the blue oval stared bankruptcy in the face, buckled down, and pulled themselves out of the ditch of financial ruin.......WITHOUT taking the bail out like Government Motors, and Flipped Out Mirror did...how dare you suggest FoMoCo had their hand out too!
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Just replaced the steering stabilizer shock on my friends 2019 that I mentioned above. His factory stabilizer was as bad or worse than mine.

I can only speak for certain on 2019's but for anyone with the 17+ body style I would highly recommend looking at the stabilizer shock. Moving the shock by hand feels like internals that keep the fluid separated (and create the dampening effect) are failing.

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I have had trucks that I drove for 20 years and never replaced a steering stabilizer why would one on a 2019 need to be replaced? Seems way premature to me
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I have had trucks that I drove for 20 years and never replaced a steering stabilizer why would one on a 2019 need to be replaced? Seems way premature to me
Because the steering stabilizer is the part that's covering up the monumental design flaw in the $70k dollar trucks. But no one wants to admit that...
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Now Zac, I have been told here repeatedly that the blue oval stared bankruptcy in the face, buckled down, and pulled themselves out of the ditch of financial ruin.......WITHOUT taking the bail out like Government Motors, and Flipped Out Mirror did...how dare you suggest FoMoCo had their hand out too!
I guess I'm just not a true believer. Am I kicked out of the club?


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I have had trucks that I drove for 20 years and never replaced a steering stabilizer why would one on a 2019 need to be replaced? Seems way premature to me
I would imagine not every one of your trucks had the same steering stabilizer. Some things are made of a higher quality than others. I would also imagine that Ford put a steering stabilizer from the same manufacturer on most of their trucks built in 2019 as it is more cost effective to buy in bulk. This particular part happened to be made poorly and is failing. I'm 2/2 on failed stabilizer shocks on 2019 Ford F-250's and Ford is apparently thousands of units on backorder for a warranty replacement of this part...but maybe I'm drawing the wrong conclusions.
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What's the recommended reaction to handling a DW episode while at speed on the road?
Hard braking, let off throttle and coast, etc?

You folks that have experienced it, let others know how to avoid a crash.
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What's the recommended reaction to handling a DW episode while at speed on the road?
Hard braking, let off throttle and coast, etc?

You folks that have experienced it, let others know how to avoid a crash.


For true death wobble everyone I have heard of just gripped the wheel tightly with both hands and shouted OH ***** over and over until they got stopped.
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For true death wobble everyone I have heard of just gripped the wheel tightly with both hands and shouted OH ***** over and over until they got stopped.


Pretty much sums it up.

After about the 4th time I told my buddy I was going to see if I could ďaccelerate out of it.Ē I tried...it didnít work. Not a recommended strategy!LOL!

Hold tight and brake is about the only remedy. If possible, try to ease to the shoulder.


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What's the recommended reaction to handling a DW episode while at speed on the road?
Hard braking, let off throttle and coast, etc?

You folks that have experienced it, let others know how to avoid a crash.
All I could do was let off the throttle and let it do it's thing. Started at 75+mph and stopped when I got under 40-45. Braking seemed to make it worse and I couldn't manhandle nor whip the steering wheel to make it stop.
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Why would you keep buying Fords with that history?
I personally have just switched from a f350 to a Chevy
But I donít put in the purchase orders for the company stuff but do get lots of feedback from lots of repís , and vendors
My wife works for usaa and will probably never ever even ride in a
F250-350 due to her and I getting DW in our trucks and seeing and hearing about usaa clients wrecking or losing control from DW
( she is so particular about it that she gets nervous/ frightened
Driving on I-10 between the cement barricades near a ford truck)
Here is my mother in lawís car after a truck pulling a trailer hit a rough spot and lost control and smashed my family
So DW is kinda a pet peeve, especially when the dealerships tell me itís all in my head
This is like the flushot argument some people never get the shot then kill grandma and their 3 month old baby with the flu, most folks seem to get DW at some point but some donít
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Now Zac, I have been told here repeatedly that the blue oval stared bankruptcy in the face, buckled down, and pulled themselves out of the ditch of financial ruin.......WITHOUT taking the bail out like Government Motors, and Flipped Out Mirror did...how dare you suggest FoMoCo had their hand out too!
Did ford take bailout $?

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Old 01-10-2020, 07:51 PM   #127
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When mine started I couldn't get it to stop until I pulled off to the shoulder and slowed to 20 miles an hour with traffic blasting past me. Wild!
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I had an 07 f250 that had DW. Extremely scary stuff at 70 mph. I took it in to dealership and they rebuilt the front end and put a "new Ford designed" stabilizer bracket on which supposedly changed the angle that it was positioned at and service manager went as far as to admit that it was a design flaw. I said, oh well they're going to warranty it then since it's a design flaw right? Service manager said no, it isn't a recall. I threw a fit but it didn't do any good. In the end I was out $2500 but it fixed the issue. To add insult to injury, about a year later I got a letter in the mail from Ford saying they're study on these DW issues had determined that it was due to customers not maintaining proper air pressure in their tires. I sent them a letter back asking when I could expect to receive reimbursement for the $2500 they swindled me out of then for improper diagnosis and repairs. You will probably be shocked to hear that I never heard back from them or received a cent. I can't believe though, that 12 years later, Ford still hasn't fixed this problem and is still apparently getting away with it and not being held accountable.

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Ford didn't get it from TARP like the others did but they did take $5.9 billion from TALF. Different acronym, same government.
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I donít understand....if this is such a problem, then why hasnít it happened to my Ď17 250? 51k miles. Whatís different about yours?


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It doesnít happen to them all, but the fact that there is (at least) a FIFTEEN THOUSAND unit backorder for the part required to fix it (for warranty repairs only) might indicate that itís a significant issue, no?


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Just a follow up. Mark met me at the shop yesterday so I could get my pickup on my way through Schulenberg. So far so good! Thanks Mark!
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Not sure. Too many variables in play. Some trucks go 100k plus or more. Mine had it happen below 30k. Itís a 17, 250.
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Got my new stabilizer as well. So far so good.


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Happened on my 2019 F350 today while puling a trailer. 10500 miles.
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Ford was the first.
Ford Credit received its bailout from the Term Asset-Backed Securities Loan Facility, not TARP.
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I asked 8 people I know who have a 2016 or newer and everyone has had death wobble.
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I have 4 family members with 2016's and up. None have had it except me. 1 member was actually with me when it happened. Now hes worried.
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I donít know of anyone who has had it...
I have a 16 with 65k miles.
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I donít understand....if this is such a problem, then why hasnít it happened to my Ď17 250? 51k miles. Whatís different about yours?


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All are different. Type of tires, pressure in those tires, the shocks installed, miles, angle of the front of the truck (Pulling a trailer or not), weight on the front tires, proper maintenance, gas vs diesel, there are a million variables. Too many people leave out variables to figure out what the common denominator is in the problem, and it's likely a combination of several variables.

I have 149k on mine, never had it, even with blown shocks.
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Old 01-20-2020, 09:32 AM   #146
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Ford owes us all 5.9 Billion Dollars. Not sure why people think they didnt get paid too. Who wants to bet they default on that amount and have to go chapter 11 along with GM 10 years ago. They took the money and still want your soul to be traumatized with the DW. They are all a bunch of crooks.
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Old 01-20-2020, 10:14 AM   #147
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So what part needs replacing to fix the cord death wobble
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Old 01-20-2020, 10:25 AM   #148
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Death wobble is a side to side movement and the part that locates the axle side to side is the track bar. People upgrade the steering stabilizers to control it but I am of the opinion that this is treating the symptoms not the disease. I upgraded to an aftermarket track bar with a poly bushing and I have not had an issue since. I was leveled on 37's for many 50k and have had another 50k on 35's. Have not had death wobble with either set up since I went with the BD diesel track bar. It is also adjustable so it was able to recenter my axle under the truck which was an added bonus.
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Old 01-20-2020, 10:38 AM   #149
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Old 01-20-2020, 10:46 AM   #150
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Anyone recommend a shop that can do the work to fix it? I have not had it happen, but I can tell you there is a huge difference in my front end on my 19 as compared to the 17,the 19 just feels sloppy and rough. Bone stock.
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