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Old 01-14-2021, 11:45 AM   #101
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Reloading supplies aren’t available either, at least not most powders or primers. Reloading isn’t the answer right now unless you are already set up to reload.
Getting into reloading right now is a waste of time and money, unless you start with buying primers and powder. Once you have that, you can start buying equipment.
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Old 01-14-2021, 11:52 AM   #102
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About 6-8 months ago we had an ammunition discussion, and there were a handful of people in here laughing about those who stacked up on ammunition, and didnít just keep a couple boxes around the house. Iím guessing theyíre not the ones laughing anymore. Meanwhile Iím laughing while I can shoot comfortably at my current rates for a few years, or at lesser rates (like I intend to) for a very long time to come.
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Old 01-14-2021, 12:05 PM   #103
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You have a poor understanding of socialism. The reason that prices are high is supply and demand. Simple capitalism. I didn't say that people shouldn't be able to spend what they want on whatever they need. I said that the reason that prices are so high is that people are hording ammo, even at the current prices. That ammo is sitting around, not being shot. I didn't say that they should be punished for that or that it should be stopped. Oh, and for the poster above who said that lack of preparation was my issue, he'd be wrong. I have plenty of ammo, because I bought it when it was cheap. I also reload.
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The problem isn't the gougers, its the people paying those prices and the people hording literally tens of thousands of rounds. That's where your ire should be.
I guess I just read too much into it. I derived from that statement that "problems" are negatives. You're right this is capitalism at work, and you're the one who stated capitalism is a "problem" not me lol.

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Old 01-14-2021, 12:16 PM   #104
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You have a poor understanding of socialism. The reason that prices are high is supply and demand. Simple capitalism. I didn't say that people shouldn't be able to spend what they want on whatever they need. I said that the reason that prices are so high is that people are hording ammo, even at the current prices. That ammo is sitting around, not being shot. I didn't say that they should be punished for that or that it should be stopped. Oh, and for the poster above who said that lack of preparation was my issue, he'd be wrong. I have plenty of ammo, because I bought it when it was cheap. I also reload.
It's not capitalism when people can't start another ammo company to compete. And there's a reason existing companies don't expand. If they lack funds I'll invest with them tomorrow.

And this has been going on a long time. Not just recently. It's been 1-2 years since one could buy .223 PSP for hunting without searching high and low. Freedom Munitions hasn't had it in stock for I don't know how long but way before Covid.
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Old 01-14-2021, 12:32 PM   #105
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It does annoy me that all these gravy seals stockpile 10s of thousands of rounds and suck up the supply during times like this. I understand that it is their right to buy it up and bury all the dried beans that they want in their back yards, but these crazed runs just seem silly to me.

I’m the guy that has maybe 4-5 boxes for each rifle, & maybe two bricks of .22. That’s enough to last me for years. I don’t shoot very often.

I’d also argue that I’m probably more prepared for a “SHTF” situation than 95% of people on this site (even with my measly ammunition cache), without even a long thought towards being a prepper.

I know a couple guys that are into the prepping stuff, and I admit it is an interesting hobby. The most serious one that I know couldn’t run up a hill without having a MI, much less carry an ammo tote or go without food/AC for more than a few hours LOL.
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Old 01-14-2021, 12:39 PM   #106
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And why does stocking up on ammo have to be about shtf/bugging out?

I know this is way crazy guys but stay with me. What if one day in the very very distant future, a bunch of morons freak out over a virus. Then the government tells you you can't go to work or leave your house. Then mass civil unrest and riots hit many parts of the country for months. All causing people who didn't previously own guns, and people who didn't stock up on ammo during the good times to start panicking. Then, an openly anti-gun administration and congress gets elected. Causing further panic. All this adds up to a really bad situation for ammo availability.

What if you want to have ammo on hand to be able to shoot, train, practice and hunt during something like that?

Again. I know that is an absolutely crazy hypothetical scenario, but you never know what may happen.
You left out one more far fetched scenario that many folks have not considered. What if, during the potential civil unrest hits, that the government decides that the solution to fix it is to defund their police departments. Wild, I know, but just throwing it out there to ponder on.
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Old 01-14-2021, 12:46 PM   #107
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Iím the guy that has maybe 4-5 boxes for each rifle, & maybe two bricks of .22. Thatís enough to last me for years. I donít shoot very often.

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That wouldn't be enough to last me thru a fun weekend
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Old 01-14-2021, 12:53 PM   #108
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if you run outta rifle loads, go to the shotgun. No shortage of those yet.
Pretty simple.
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Old 01-14-2021, 01:55 PM   #109
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I always like to blame others for my failures as well.

The fact that this hoarding tens of thousands of rounds havenít bought them this year. They did it when ammo was plentiful and cheap. Iíll let you come to your own conclusions on who to blame.
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Old 01-14-2021, 01:58 PM   #110
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I know a couple guys that are into the prepping stuff, and I admit it is an interesting hobby. The most serious one that I know couldnít run up a hill without having a MI, much less carry an ammo tote or go without food/AC for more than a few hours LOL.
I dont know what an MI is but I got an 8x10 glossy in my head of a fat guy trying to run up a hill with 2 armloads of junk with his pants falling halfway dow. That was funny!
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Old 01-14-2021, 02:09 PM   #111
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I can see not having calibers used in weapons for defense. But 243, 270, 22lr etc? There are several million new gun owners and they didn't expect to gear up for that increased demand?

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Old 01-14-2021, 02:15 PM   #112
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if you run outta rifle loads, go to the shotgun. No shortage of those yet.
Pretty simple.
Those are starting to go.
Been watching a local stash, at a hardware store.
They have had probably 2k rounds of shotgun shells sitting, for the last couple months.
In there almost daily, and this week, I've watched em start disappearing.
Just grabbed another 400, before they are all gone as well.
Academy in Longview was stacked to the ceiling for months with shotgun shells.
As of 3 days ago, it's almost gone, unless a truck came in or something.
Buy em now if you want them.
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Old 01-14-2021, 02:29 PM   #113
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It's no different than when Obama got elected. Until now he was the best gun and ammo salesman this world has ever known. Biden probably has him beat.

Gun and ammo companies are loving it. If you haven't considered that this is all part of a plan then you may want to. Someone's got their hand in the cash register other than just the company distributing guns and ammunition or it wouldn't be a big deal.

No different than the "war on drugs" we've heard about forever. If the right people are benefiting from it it's going to be an ongoing problem.

They want you to be scared. And it's working.

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Old 01-14-2021, 02:29 PM   #114
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Shotgun shells are pretty much gone now as well. Good luck finding dove/target loads or steel duck loads around Houston. Even the online sellers only have the gimmick stuff. Buckshot and slugs have been out for months. Just yesterday I bought the last couple boxes of 28ga at my local academy, not another box of ammo of any kind on the shelf.
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Old 01-14-2021, 02:32 PM   #115
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I just loathe a gouger and hoarder. IMO, they are a significant part of the problem with why the price of ammo is high, not to mention scarce. I usually always try to attend gun shows to get a good deal, but a lot of the problem seems to be there as well. I have an exotic hunt coming up next month, but fortunately for me I reload so I have hunting ammo available for the hunt. I reload for 16 different calibers. It is hard to find ammo in my hometown, as there is only one store that sells ammo, and only rifle ammo. And there shelfs are always bare. Oh well, hopefully it will get better in 2 years.
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Old 01-14-2021, 02:49 PM   #116
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It's no different than when Obama got elected. Until now he was the best gun and ammo salesman this world has ever known. Biden probably has him beat.
Agreed. I keep thinking of this every time I read about the ammo shortage.
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Old 01-14-2021, 03:05 PM   #117
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Now you got people buying up ammo they don't even own rifles for.

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I dont know what an MI is but I got an 8x10 glossy in my head of a fat guy trying to run up a hill with 2 armloads of junk with his pants falling halfway dow. That was funny!
Heart attack...

Years ago I watched a few episodes of that "prepper" show. They had a guy on there with huge weapons cache and stockpiles of food and all that. The TV show judges/experts whatever you call it dinged him hard on his score for being ridiculously out of shape. That was one of the few things I saw on the show that actually agreed with.
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Old 01-14-2021, 03:50 PM   #118
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Our Academy here gets a supply every Wednesday and was able to snag the last 2 20rd boxes of 6.5 CR for $39.95 per box and like all Academy's only allow 3 boxes per customer per day.

Any yes there was a line waiting for them to open.
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Old 01-14-2021, 04:00 PM   #119
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Some people have plenty. The gun-range near my house is non stop shooting from about 10am until dark seven days a week.
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Old 01-14-2021, 04:07 PM   #120
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if you run outta rifle loads, go to the shotgun. No shortage of those yet.
Pretty simple.

Rifles get quite a bit more reach than a shotgun so not seeing what youíre saying, 2 very different uses.


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Old 01-14-2021, 04:11 PM   #121
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Some people have plenty. The gun-range near my house is non stop shooting from about 10am until dark seven days a week.
Sounds like my neighbors sons.
Anytime between 12am, and 11:59 pm, is an excellent time to do mag dumps, and everything in between lol.
Sounds much better than sirens, horns, and other city noises.
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Old 01-14-2021, 04:17 PM   #122
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Sounds like my neighbors sons.
Anytime between 12am, and 11:59 pm, is an excellent time to do mag dumps, and everything in between lol.
Sounds much better than sirens, horns, and other city noises.
I'd drink to that (if i drank). Can't wait to vamanose!
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Old 01-14-2021, 04:21 PM   #123
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I think our government is keeping them from producing. That would make a whole lot more sense.
Tomorrow, when you pour your coffee, skip the bullsh1t you normally pour into it.

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Old 01-14-2021, 04:51 PM   #124
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Blah blah blah...

Name one product where demand stays this high and no one expands to meet demand. You can't. Why is that?

It's not some Q conspiracy I'm talking about. I just think whatever it takes to start an ammo company is too much (taxes, permits, fees, regulations etc). No way it's as simple as it costs too much to expand. That excuse may have worked for a little while but not forever. By that logic we will NEVER have more ammo being produced so demand will only go up. Think about it.

If you disagree then tell me how much demand it takes before they expand production.

Certainly you can agree if they never expand as the population grows there will be even less ammo available.

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Old 01-14-2021, 05:04 PM   #125
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Rifles get quite a bit more reach than a shotgun so not seeing what youíre saying, 2 very different uses.


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Itís easy.... When you run out of the other stuff, a shotgun is better than your finger..
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Old 01-15-2021, 08:26 PM   #126
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Nobody has ever gouged me out of a penny. I'm the one that wanted what they had and willingly handed over the money. That's on me not them.
Not gouging if you have a willing buyer and a willing seller.
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Old 01-15-2021, 08:44 PM   #127
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Some people have plenty. The gun-range near my house is non stop shooting from about 10am until dark seven days a week.

Htown and I were just discussing this today. It seems with ammo being hard to come by and some selling at premium prices, the gun ranges wouldnít be too busy right now.


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Old 01-15-2021, 08:50 PM   #128
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Htown and I were just discussing this today. It seems with ammo being hard to come by and some selling at premium prices, the gun ranges wouldnít be too busy right now.


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Part of this ammo rush is millions of brand new 1st time gun owners.
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Old 01-15-2021, 08:55 PM   #129
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Part of this ammo rush is millions of brand new 1st time gun owners.

I didnít think about that, makes sense.


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Old 01-15-2021, 09:14 PM   #130
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The best one Iíve seen so far was some ammo for trade on TGT, the individual wanted to trade his ammo for a set amount (which was inflated for todayís prices) but was only willing to give you pre pandemic pricing on yours.
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Old 01-15-2021, 09:16 PM   #131
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I didnít blame anyone, as I could care less. I put a picture simply so itís easier to differentiate my post when scrolling.
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Iím not hoarding ammo because I expect to fight with thousands of rounds. Iím hoarding ammo so I can continue my lifestyle of hunting and shooting while others sit around on social media crying about not being able to find any. I do have defensive ammo for that intent, but Iím not fooling myself into thinking Iíll last hundred or thousands of rounds worth of fighting.
Agreed. I have 10 loaded AR mags for an ďAlamoĒ scenario. That will be either enough to win or I wonít be alive at the end of it.

I have generally kept about 1,000 rounds of 5.56, 600 rounds of 9mm, and 3 boxes per hunting bolt gun. Shooting once a week, thatís about a 3 month supply. Has worked fine until now so long as youíre able to replace what you shoot. Unfortunately that hasnít been possible, even at the rate of a couple boxes at a time in most cases.

I donít begrudge anyone for stocking/ďhoardingĒ whatever stores allow them to buy. To say differently is basically the argument of the left, ďyou donít need ALL that money, two houses, a pair of $75k vehicles, a boat that costs more than someoneís house,Ē etc. However I do generally leave some for the next guy, if thereís 10 boxes I might buy 8 and leave 2.

I had been of the mindset that the price gouger re-sellers were basically the scum of the earth until I considered that some of them (admittedly probably a small number) might be out of work guys looking to bring whatever $ they could home to pay the bills. Itís not worth my time to drive all over town trying to buy 3 boxes of ammo, put them on gunbroker, and ship them out to make $100, but Iím fortunate. Iím still not a fan of it, but Iíve lessened my hate. Bottom line is the same, if everyone stopped paying inflated prices, that would end.
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Old 01-15-2021, 10:32 PM   #133
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There's some 6.5CM in the classifieds here now for....................



wait for it......................................






$75/box of 20!!! $3.75 a round! Dumb as hell.

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Old 01-15-2021, 10:45 PM   #134
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I read a article that was on Biden and the Democrats. He supposedly, will not allow sales of Ammo for ARs, AK47 (Assualt guns) including shotguns guessing double 00 buck shot. You will need to have a registration card to purchase small amounts of ammo. Then raise the heck out of prices or taxes on the manufactureís. Which will cost us at the register. He doesnít or mention about shotgun shells. Dove hunting may be a challenge.
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I read a article that was on Biden and the Democrats. He supposedly, will not allow sales of Ammo for ARs, AK47 (Assualt guns) including shotguns guessing double 00 buck shot. You will need to have a registration card to purchase small amounts of ammo. Then raise the heck out of prices or taxes on the manufactureís. Which will cost us at the register. He doesnít or mention about shotgun shells. Dove hunting may be a challenge.
Ainít going to happen, but if they can keep everyone scared enough we will keep maintaining our own problem!
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Old 01-16-2021, 10:17 AM   #136
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I've seen ammo and reloading supply shortages happen several times since the 90's, so
I changed my buying habits. If I need a pound of powder I buy 3. Last time I needed 22 shells instead of buying 500 I bought 5k and so on. So the ammo shortage doesn't effect me any more
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Iím not hoarding ammo because I expect to fight with thousands of rounds. Iím hoarding ammo so I can continue my lifestyle of hunting and shooting while others sit around on social media crying about not being able to find any. I do have defensive ammo for that intent, but Iím not fooling myself into thinking Iíll last hundred or thousands of rounds worth of fighting.
I have the same attitude. I'm about to turn 62 and I'm looking at what I have lasting the rest of my life. I did spend some money on a rifle in a caliber that I didn't have and ended up having to buy ammo at a little more than normal but not at the prices I'm seeing others paying.

If I find some ammo that I want I'll buy it as long as it isn't jacked up too high.
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Wife told me to get up and be at academy when they opened to check ammo and buy a basketball goal. Surprised me, but picked up 3 boxes of 6.5 cm at 19.99 per box. I was 5th in line, they only had 5 boxes to start with. Had lots of 9mm and other stuff.
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Also made a run to a buddy's in Kansas last week. We burned up 120 rds of 6.5 at the range and he sent me home with 50 rounds. His handloads.
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ammo and gun manufacturers love democratic administrations for the increased sales and iím sure the incoming administration will show their love for them as well with taxation on the products when sold to consumers. they donít want it to go away. itís just like weed.
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Also made a run to a buddy's in Kansas last week. We burned up 120 rds of 6.5 at the range and he sent me home with 50 rounds. His handloads.
Thatís a good buddy 👍🏼
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8:55am Yesterday at Grapevine Academy: 17 people in line, several waiting in cars. 9:01am the doors open, the associate shouts no ammo. All but 3 return to their car.

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Old 01-16-2021, 08:11 PM   #143
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8:55am Yesterday at Grapevine Academy: 17 people in line, several waiting in cars. 9:01am the doors open, the associate shouts no ammo. All but 3 return to their car.

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My dad has had this happen a lot. Heís gotten there an hour before they open, long line. Door opens and no ammo


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Old 01-16-2021, 08:25 PM   #144
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Where I go if you get there at 8 you're probably sol on 9's. I get a couple of papas rancheros and get there about 7:30 with my lawn chair.
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Old 01-16-2021, 08:41 PM   #145
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8:55am Yesterday at Grapevine Academy: 17 people in line, several waiting in cars. 9:01am the doors open, the associate shouts no ammo. All but 3 return to their car.

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At least here they will leave a sign on the door or come out and tell you if they didnít get any.


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Old 01-16-2021, 09:50 PM   #146
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There might have been a sign. This was my first time waiting for the doors to open. I'll look next time.

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