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Old 01-14-2021, 11:20 AM   #1
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The other day while listening to Christian Radio, AFR, Tony Perkins' guest said people need to stop thinking dem vs republican and stop voting along party lines. We need to start voting along the lines of populist and globalists.

Populists tend to value patriotism and country and support country unity over global community. They also tend to be non-elitists who value freedom and liberty.

Globalist tend to value global initiatives more and support one world government, world social movements, etc. These tend to be political elitists that value control.

There are populists and globalists in the democrat and the republican parties. Will any candidate be exactly or perfectly the politician you want? No. Your favored candidate will do things that you don't like, but others will like. How much are you willing to allow is your personal choice.

I know that my reps and senators are not perfect and make decisions I do not support. But if they tend to be populist, that will be the one I support.
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Old 01-14-2021, 11:28 AM   #2
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soooo, still r v d
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Old 01-14-2021, 11:32 AM   #3
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It's called Libertarian
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Old 01-14-2021, 11:44 AM   #4
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It’s not even populist vs globalist. It needs to be people who may differ in opinion but are willing to work together to solve a problem vs those that are so hardline extremist that they shutdown any meaningful improvement whatsoever. Cooperative vs divisive.
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Old 01-14-2021, 11:51 AM   #5
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Itís not even populist vs globalist. It needs to be people who may differ in opinion but are willing to work together to solve a problem vs those that are so hardline extremist that they shutdown any meaningful improvement whatsoever. Cooperative vs divisive.
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Old 01-14-2021, 11:53 AM   #6
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Itís not even populist vs globalist. It needs to be people who may differ in opinion but are willing to work together to solve a problem vs those that are so hardline extremist that they shutdown any meaningful improvement whatsoever. Cooperative vs divisive.
Very well said

The all or nothing route has led to a whole lot of nothing!
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Old 01-14-2021, 12:02 PM   #7
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Old 01-14-2021, 12:15 PM   #8
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It needs to be Constitutionalist, and neither side is. Both sides step on the Constitution and the Bill of Rights and people seem to be ok with it as long as it is their side doing the stepping.

Whoever the president is and who is in congress should matter way less than who is the governor and in the state house, but they should matter less than who is the mayor and county commissioners, etc. Problem is both sides seem to want a king, and seem to want self government to be a thing of the past.
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Old 01-14-2021, 01:03 PM   #9
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Populism is a very dangerous thing. Popular opinion of the common man can and does change on a whim.
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Old 01-14-2021, 01:35 PM   #10
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Populism is a very dangerous thing. Popular opinion of the common man can and does change on a whim.
Popular opinion is exactly what they try to manipulate.
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Old 01-14-2021, 02:03 PM   #11
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Popular opinion is exactly what they try to manipulate.
You are correct. As much as we do not want to accept, social media is a tool for social engineering. In fact, I would notbbe surprised to learn at some point that it was at least initially funded by gov agencies
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Old 01-14-2021, 02:08 PM   #12
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Itís not even populist vs globalist. It needs to be people who may differ in opinion but are willing to work together to solve a problem vs those that are so hardline extremist that they shutdown any meaningful improvement whatsoever. Cooperative vs divisive.
I'm afraid I have to disagree. Someone on here opened my eyes to the reality that almost every time the D's and R's work together, it costs us taxpayers more or disappoints. Example: All 3 branches in 2020 unanimously declared states too incompetent to manage their own animal cruelty laws. You may not want to hear it but Jer_James is probably right when he says politicians see themselves as the ruling class and everyone else as subjects.
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Old 01-14-2021, 02:22 PM   #13
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Itís not even populist vs globalist. It needs to be people who may differ in opinion but are willing to work together to solve a problem vs those that are so hardline extremist that they shutdown any meaningful improvement whatsoever. Cooperative vs divisive.
Perfect
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Old 01-14-2021, 02:22 PM   #14
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Two words: term limits.

The highest office in the land has a 2 term limit. Why should house and senate not have the, too. Stop the political self made “millionaires” on the public dime and force them to do what the people actually want.
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Old 01-14-2021, 02:33 PM   #15
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Two words: term limits.

The highest office in the land has a 2 term limit. Why should house and senate not have the, too. Stop the political self made ďmillionairesĒ on the public dime and force them to do what the people actually want.
Only way to get that done is an Article 5 convention of the states. Might be our last hope.
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Old 01-14-2021, 02:44 PM   #16
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Politicians are hypocrites. It sickens me when they take the oath of office to defend the Constitution from foreign and domestic enemies. Yet they are the one's who want to tear the Constitution apart. You can't pick and choose what amendments you want to keep. It's all or none. The Right to Bear Arms is the Second Amendment to the Constitution, 2nd to the most important one, the First, which is freedom of speech. Because if you allow these hypocrites to repeal one, they can repeal all of them. All it takes is for everyone to call their House Reps and Senators to voice your concern. You can never, ever trust a Politician.
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Old 01-14-2021, 02:53 PM   #17
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I'm afraid I have to disagree. Someone on here opened my eyes to the reality that almost every time the D's and R's work together, it costs us taxpayers more or disappoints. Example: All 3 branches in 2020 unanimously declared states too incompetent to manage their own animal cruelty laws. You may not want to hear it but Jer_James is probably right when he says politicians see themselves as the ruling class and everyone else as subjects.
I tend to agree. The three branch system is designed for gridlock. Besides, any solution from the government comes with more strings than a balloon store.
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Old 01-14-2021, 03:21 PM   #18
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It's not R vs D (both bad). It's not globalist vs populist (both bad). And it's not ideologue vs compromiser (both of those are bad too). We should vote for freedom, rather than tyranny. Vote for people who TRULY want to uphold the Constitution, not just give it campaign season lip service. Vote for people who are in favor of TRULY limiting government's power.

As stated above, Article V Constitutional Convention is the only way to get there. Research the movement. Amending the Constitution in the targeted ways that group is working on would reduce the government overreach that all 3 branches of government has grabbed over the last several decades. And an Article V convention is the only way we will ever be able to bypass all 3 branches of government to put them back into their proper place and regain power and control for the people instead of the bureaucracies.
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Term limits and no more mail in ballots is a great place to start
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Old 01-14-2021, 03:27 PM   #20
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It needs to be Constitutionalist, and neither side is. Both sides step on the Constitution and the Bill of Rights and people seem to be ok with it as long as it is their side doing the stepping.

Whoever the president is and who is in congress should matter way less than who is the governor and in the state house, but they should matter less than who is the mayor and county commissioners, etc. Problem is both sides seem to want a king, and seem to want self government to be a thing of the past.
It has been obvious for a looooong time! The local elections (even dog catcher) should be more important. It starts locally and flows upward like a fountain........not flow downward like a tsunami!
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U got that right.
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Old 01-14-2021, 03:29 PM   #21
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LoL we need to start voting differently now? As if voting means anything any more? They stole the presidential election. They stole the Georgia Senate runoff in the same fashion. They stole the power and they will not let it go. I'm afraid we were complacent for way too long and now voting is just a farce.
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Old 01-14-2021, 03:30 PM   #22
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It's not R vs D (both bad). It's not globalist vs populist (both bad). And it's not ideologue vs compromiser (both of those are bad too). We should vote for freedom, rather than tyranny. Vote for people who TRULY want to uphold the Constitution, not just give it campaign season lip service. Vote for people who are in favor of TRULY limiting government's power.

As stated above, Article V Constitutional Convention is the only way to get there. Research the movement. Amending the Constitution in the targeted ways that group is working on would reduce the government overreach that all 3 branches of government has grabbed over the last several decades. And an Article V convention is the only way we will ever be able to bypass all 3 branches of government to put them back into their proper place and regain power and control for the people instead of the bureaucracies.
good point! Odd how the Constitutional convention talk all went away. It is more important now than ever. That is the ONLY reset that needs to take place........by putting the bureaucracies back into their proper place on the hierarchy of control/power.
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Yeah, but then we all have to learn the Dewey Decimal System
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good point! Odd how the Constitutional convention talk all went away. It is more important now than ever. That is the ONLY reset that needs to take place........by putting the bureaucracies back into their proper place on the hierarchy of control/power.
Yes sir. Texas Legislature has already passed and Abbott already signed a resolution for Texas to join the effort. Several other states have as well. Just gotta get 34 states to join the effort, and then it's on. Right now, 15 states have passed resolutions, 8 have passed in 1 chamber, and 4 more have active legislation in the works. If all those pass, that makes 27. If you have friends and family in other states, educate them on it.

https://conventionofstates.com/resources

As the left begins lurching full speed toward socialism, especially at the federal level, it should be an easier sell for some of these other states to join this effort.
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V>Q
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Know what I mean?
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Old 01-14-2021, 03:57 PM   #26
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Yes sir. Texas Legislature has already passed and Abbott already signed a resolution for Texas to join the effort. Several other states have as well. Just gotta get 34 states to join the effort, and then it's on. Right now, 15 states have passed resolutions, 8 have passed in 1 chamber, and 4 more have active legislation in the works. If all those pass, that makes 27. If you have friends and family in other states, educate them on it.

https://conventionofstates.com/resources

As the left begins lurching full speed toward socialism, especially at the federal level, it should be an easier sell for some of these other states to join this effort.
Great update, thank you so much. I did not realize it was within striking distance. Much more logical way to slow the horse down!
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Only way to get that done is an Article 5 convention of the states. Might be our last hope.
Agreed. Article 5 was the backstop the founders put in the constitution to protect the states when the inevitable happened. The question seems to be, are there enough constitutionalists left at the state level to push for one.
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Old 01-14-2021, 06:57 PM   #28
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Itís not even populist vs globalist. It needs to be people who may differ in opinion but are willing to work together to solve a problem vs those that are so hardline extremist that they shutdown any meaningful improvement whatsoever. Cooperative vs divisive.
Compromising to make progress is a great way to never actually make any progress. Case in point: the last eighty years. It is what produces this endless back and forth between the same parties because neither ever actually wins. It is constantly one step forward and one step back, each erasing the others progress as they each trade turns with power. It is the literal definition of insanity. And this is exactly why Trump had and has the following he does. Because people are tired of compromising and giving into this nonsense. If policies are illogical then they need to be destroyed, not constantly recycled. We need to move forward, not in a circle.
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