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Old 12-31-2019, 05:52 AM   #1
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Default The 2020 Thermal & Night Vision Thread

Talking to Outdoor Legacy the other day and came to the conclusion with technology always changing and SHOT SHOW coming up we need a new Thermal and night vision thread!

Happy New Year everybody, I plan on ringing in 2020 on some hogs and predators

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Old 12-31-2019, 07:03 AM   #2
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Following. Looking forward to using my Wraith and Axion handheld combo even more this year. They have been a deadly combo in 2019.


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Anything new coming from Pulsar for 2020?
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Staying tuned. I am using a Sig Echo now. Works good for the 100-125 yards from the porch to the creek.
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Looked at a Thermion again at the Gun Show last weekend and I'm sold on it. Just gotta find 3+k lying around lol.
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How much does nigght vision cost?

Follow the link in my first post to Jasonís site and he has them all there. Right now the big ticket digital night vision scope is the Sightmark Wraith HD for $500. Pulsar makes one for $1200 thatís good but if you go thru the Late Night Vision Showís podcast they compared the Wraith and Pulsar digisight thatís a good one too watch

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Any news on an updated wraith? I’m looking to get one but if it is about to be outdated may wait. Thanks.
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Looked at a Thermion again at the Gun Show last weekend and I'm sold on it. Just gotta find 3+k lying around lol.
The thermion xp50 is awesome. My FIL just got his in last week and itís amazing. My buddies all have Trail xp50s and the thermion is a step up IMO. Def worth the money lol.

And Jason is the man for anything thermal. He helped us out bigtime.
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Looked at a Thermion again at the Gun Show last weekend and I'm sold on it. Just gotta find 3+k lying around lol.
Where did you find it for 3k
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3+k. The XM38 is $3299. That's the one I want.

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Thanks for the shout out Russ! And thanks to all the TBH'ers who have supported us over the years for your night vision and thermal purchases, it really means a lot guys, we greatly appreciate your business!

I'll be at the SHOT Show in about 3 weeks and I'll offer up a full report of what's new for the 2020 NV and thermal market.

As always, if you're thinking about purchasing some NV or thermal, feel free to give us a call and we are glad to make suggestions and point you in the right direction after hearing about your situation and your needs and wants.

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Old 01-02-2020, 01:52 AM   #12
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Yes sir, a lot of good things coming but it won't be public until the week of the SHOT Show, January 21-24. I'll be reporting with all the info after we get back from Vegas. We will also be going over everything in detail on The Late Night Vision Show.

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Old 01-02-2020, 01:56 AM   #13
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Russ is correct. You're looking at $500+ for good digital night vision. Thermal starts at $1,900 and quickly jumps up into the $3,000+ range and goes up from there.



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Any news on an updated wraith? Iím looking to get one but if it is about to be outdated may wait. Thanks.

I know I sound like a broken record but....you've got to wait until the SHOT Show.lol But yes, I'd expect another Wraith model coming, this one with 4K resolution but at a significantly higher price. More details soon.


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Any news on an updated wraith? Iím looking to get one but if it is about to be outdated may wait. Thanks.

Man itíd have to be a major step up to outdate the Wraith thatís out now. I love my Trail but the Wraith once theyíre inside a 100yds can hang with the thermal on finding targets.


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Good discussion on the podcast today fellas

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Man I picked the wrong time to have a kid. I’ve been on a killing hiatus since last summer, and now that it’s time to get after the hogs heavy I’m having a kid in the next day or two. Y’all slay some swine for me. If I’m lucky I’ll make it out once or twice this spring.
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The thermion xp50 is awesome. My FIL just got his in last week and itís amazing. My buddies all have Trail xp50s and the thermion is a step up IMO. Def worth the money lol.



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I got a wraith for Christmas to go with my photons, it won’t come on when the temp is under 50. Anybody else had that problem? I’ve used my photons in the teens with no problems. Last night it turned on fine at the house and at the first farm, then I turned it off for the walk out drove to next farm n it wouldn’t come on till I left it in the truck running with the heat on high. As long as I left it on it was fine but turn it off n it cold it wasn’t coming back on.
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I got a wraith for Christmas to go with my photons, it wonít come on when the temp is under 50. Anybody else had that problem? Iíve used my photons in the teens with no problems. Last night it turned on fine at the house and at the first farm, then I turned it off for the walk out drove to next farm n it wouldnít come on till I left it in the truck running with the heat on high. As long as I left it on it was fine but turn it off n it cold it wasnít coming back on.

Maybe the batteries you were using? I know even with my pulsar batteries last night they gave me a little trouble but I really needed to let them charge fully today


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Maybe so I’ll try some others tonight n see what happens
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So I went over to a friend's house the other night to troubleshoot my .308 and get her back in action. He's got the NVision Halo LR and.... holy moley

This thing is the Long Cool Woman inna Black Dress boys!!! B

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Did a bunch of calling at night this past weekend to try to get some varmints. If anyone here is serious about varmint hunting I strongly suggest you get the Convergent bullet. I have had great success with it. Both Friday and Saturday night we had 75% call in success, one of which was a bobcat. This caller is much better than the Foxpro's I have used. The sound quality and range of sound is incredible. Jason at Outdoor Legacy sells them so hit him up if you want one. They are pricey but it is worth every penny.
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Hoping Sightmark's updated wraith will be everything the ATN 4K Pro is supposed to be but actually works. I tried multiple ATNs and their QC is horrible. They all went back. I bought another Sightmark Photon RT to replace the one I sold on my 6.5CM. I'll be sporting that for hogs until a feature rich, actually working digital well under $1K hits the market. Anything inside of 150 and the RT works quite well.
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Did some thermal hog hunting to first time in my life and was awesome. Ranch owners buddy took us along and used a hog caller sound track and an Pulsar XP50 and now I want one. To bad this poor boy can afford that much on a few hogs!


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Jason when will you have the nvision halo 1.75 in stock? I watched Hans review and that thing looks amazing, Iím addicted to thermals always wanting more. Lol
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Hey guys, sorry I've been a little MIA on this thread, this is our busiest time of year so it's hard to find a spare minute. I'll be heading out to Vegas for the SHOT Show in about a week and a half and I'll try to give some updates but I rarely have time while I'm out there so I might wait till I get back to post some updates.

RMW, it's going to be the end of January at best. N-Vision says they aren't shipping any orders until then because they are way behind and they took off a week or so for the holidays, plus they'll be at SHOT show etc. I have my orders in and they are already pre-selling. If you think you might want one, give me a call (number is in the first post of this thread) and we can talk.

For anyone wanting something that's out of stock and pending arrival, a $100 deposit will back order a scope and hold your place in line. Getting and keeping inventory is very hard this time of year because it's low supply and high demand right now.

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Hey guys, sorry I've been a little MIA on this thread, this is our busiest time of year so it's hard to find a spare minute. I'll be heading out to Vegas for the SHOT Show in about a week and a half and I'll try to give some updates but I rarely have time while I'm out there so I might wait till I get back to post some updates.

RMW, it's going to be the end of January at best. N-Vision says they aren't shipping any orders until then because they are way behind and they took off a week or so for the holidays, plus they'll be at SHOT show etc. I have my orders in and they are already pre-selling. If you think you might want one, give me a call (number is in the first post of this thread) and we can talk.

For anyone wanting something that's out of stock and pending arrival, a $100 deposit will back order a scope and hold your place in line. Getting and keeping inventory is very hard this time of year because it's low supply and high demand right now.

Thanks guys, I appreciate all your business and support.

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Probably give you a shout in a few days, trying to decide on the 1.75 Halo or the 3.5. Bought 3-4 thermals from you before and been happy with all my purchases.

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Killed this huge sow last night and 4 small boars with the pulsar trail 38.
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Thermion kill with my 7 yr old on the gun. Have some pretty cool video footage but struggling to get it posted.

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Probably give you a shout in a few days, trying to decide on the 1.75 Halo or the 3.5. Bought 3-4 thermals from you before and been happy with all my purchases.

Thanks, Ryan
I bought a Halo LR from him about a month ago and itís niceeee. Iíve got a flir pts233 and pulsar xq38. The 3.5 power nvision sure comes in handy when trying to ID animals wayyyy out there
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I bought a Halo LR from him about a month ago and itís niceeee. Iíve got a flir pts233 and pulsar xq38. The 3.5 power nvision sure comes in handy when trying to ID animals wayyyy out there
Iíve got a flir pts536 that I use for driving around our cornfields and pastures and itís very nice for that purpose, but not for walking and stalking. Question is does the halo 3.5 have to much magnification for stalking up on a pack of hogs at 30-75 yds, is the field of view wide enough?
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Iíve got a flir pts536 that I use for driving around our cornfields and pastures and itís very nice for that purpose, but not for walking and stalking. Question is does the halo 3.5 have to much magnification for stalking up on a pack of hogs at 30-75 yds, is the field of view wide enough?

My buddy has a halo LR and I thought at the base magnification it was panorama compared too my Trail XQ50


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As stated, image is a little better, you have better battery life, and you have a couple rifle profiles to use.
That's not right. The Thermion may have a better image than the Trail, but it doesn't have better battery life, and the Trail has the same 3 profiles (with 3 sets of distance coordinates for each, so actually 9 profiles if you wanted to go nuts with it).
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Iíve got a flir pts536 that I use for driving around our cornfields and pastures and itís very nice for that purpose, but not for walking and stalking. Question is does the halo 3.5 have to much magnification for stalking up on a pack of hogs at 30-75 yds, is the field of view wide enough?
I donít think itís too much zoom...From what Iíve seen and heard, NVisions zooms donít seem to actually be as much as they claim. Iíd say the 3.5 base is realistically more like a 3.0x. I feel like 2x to 3x is the sweet spot for hogs....and I like to get to about 30ish yards for the 1st shot.
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Ok I'm intrigued with the Wraith. How would it hold up on a 458 socom?
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I got the Wraith HD night vision as my introduction piece, but I'm in the market for a thermal to use for spotting purposes.
Anyone selling an older unit ?? Pm me please
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Anyone selling an older unit ?? Pm me please
I've been thinking about the same thing.

GS or Jason, any advice on the cheaper hand helds? By cheaper I'm talking about something in the $300-$500 range like the Leupold quest. Would something like that work? I see the range on the Leupold is ~300 yds which is fine for me. If that is the only limitation, I could make that work. With that said, I know nothing about thermal so I have no clue what would work and not work, especially in a hunting situation. I have also seen the Seek phone attachments but I'm guessing those wouldn't work in a hunting situation.
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I've been thinking about the same thing.



GS or Jason, any advice on the cheaper hand helds? By cheaper I'm talking about something in the $300-$500 range like the Leupold quest. Would something like that work? I see the range on the Leupold is ~300 yds which is fine for me. If that is the only limitation, I could make that work. With that said, I know nothing about thermal so I have no clue what would work and not work, especially in a hunting situation. I have also seen the Seek phone attachments but I'm guessing those wouldn't work in a hunting situation.

Jason and Hand has covered the Leupold in a couple episodes of the podcast. I think in these two:

http://youtu.be/WZ0Pv3BHzKo

http://youtu.be/Ir2N0lt_8sg


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That's not right. The Thermion may have a better image than the Trail, but it doesn't have better battery life, and the Trail has the same 3 profiles (with 3 sets of distance coordinates for each, so actually 9 profiles if you wanted to go nuts with it).
The thermion has 5 profiles with 10 distance settings. So I should have said a couple extra profiles. And to me the battery life is better than my buddies Trails.

And you're wrong Mr FancyPants, the trail has 3 profiles with 5 settings each making it 15 total. At least the latest/newest trail models do.

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