Who'll be first? E-F150

[locolobo]

Been seein a lot on the news last couple days about an electric F-150 Ford will be introducing soon. They are sayin range per charge, towing capacity and price will be about the same as gas but have heard no figures to back that up. So, how many TBHers are getting in line to buy?

[sotx]

When they come out with an F250 or 350 SRW in 4x4 I will take a look.

[Runnin4D]

Originally Posted by sotx

When they come out with an F250 or 350 SRW in 4x4 I will take a look.

Because you never need either in diesel anyway... lol.

[TX03RUBI]

Originally Posted by locolobo

Been seein a lot on the news last couple days about an electric F-150 Ford will be introducing soon. They are sayin range per charge, towing capacity and price will be about the same as gas but have heard no figures to back that up. So, how many TBHers are getting in line to buy?

The range is 230 miles for the standard range model, and 300 for the extended range model. That’s not even close considering that’s with perfect driving conditions. Towing would be considerably less.

[ultrastealth]

Originally Posted by locolobo

Been seein a lot on the news last couple days about an electric F-150 Ford will be introducing soon. They are sayin range per charge, towing capacity and price will be about the same as gas but have heard no figures to back that up. So, how many TBHers are getting in line to buy?

Range on the Lightning is 300 miles with the extended battery. Range of my F150 Powerboost is 600 miles. Towing capacity is 10,000lbs in the Lightening. Towing capacity in the Powerboost is 12,700lbs. Time to fill my gas tank is 5-10 minutes. Time to recharge the Lightening from 15-100% is about 14 hours.

[Deerslayersh]

Originally Posted by ultrastealth

Range on the Lightning is 300 miles with the extended battery. Range of my F150 Powerboost is 600 miles. Towing capacity is 10,000lbs in the Lightening. Towing capacity in the Powerboost is 14,000lbs. Time to fill my gas tank is 5-10 minutes. Time to recharge the Lightening from 15-100% is about 14 hours.

14-hrs is for the normal, every night charge to protect the life of the battery. Fast charging is available, but I think not recommended for everyday use.

It's definitely not intended to be used as a long-distance puller, but I can see the value/advantages of electric trucks for normal, everyday use & standard commutes.

[OldRiverRat]

Originally Posted by Deerslayersh

14-hrs is for the normal, every night charge to protect the life of the battery. Fast charging is available, but I think not recommended for everyday use.



It's definitely not intended to be used as a long-distance puller, but I can see the value/advantages of electric trucks for normal, everyday use & standard commutes.

I’ll probably buy one in 2024
My f250 has 140k so I’ll be ready to park it for trips only by then
Use the lightening for daily commute to work ~30 miles per day


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[IkemanTX]

Originally Posted by ultrastealth

Range on the Lightning is 300 miles with the extended battery. Range of my F150 Powerboost is 600 miles. Towing capacity is 10,000lbs in the Lightening. Towing capacity in the Powerboost is 12,700lbs. Time to fill my gas tank is 5-10 minutes. Time to recharge the Lightening from 15-100% is about 14 hours.

Aside from not looking so futuristic, this offering from Ford doesn’t hold a candle to the Tesla Cybertruck...

14,000lbs towing, and 500 miles range makes ford’s forage into electric trucks seem like a dud.


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[ultrastealth]

Originally Posted by IkemanTX

Aside from not looking so futuristic, this offering from Ford doesn’t hold a candle to the Tesla Cybertruck...

14,000lbs towing, and 500 miles range makes ford’s forage into electric trucks seem like a dud.


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I'm guessing that, given the low price point for the base model, they were targeting businesses that like to portray themselves as "green" with this truck. It's only practical for traveling short distances with light loads.

[Bucknaked]

Originally Posted by ultrastealth

I'm guessing that, given the low price point for the base model, they were targeting businesses that like to portray themselves as "green" with this truck. It's only practical for traveling short distances with light loads.

Groceries?

[WItoTX]

Originally Posted by ultrastealth

Range on the Lightning is 300 miles with the extended battery. Range of my F150 Powerboost is 600 miles. Towing capacity is 10,000lbs in the Lightening. Towing capacity in the Powerboost is 12,700lbs. Time to fill my gas tank is 5-10 minutes. Time to recharge the Lightening from 15-100% is about 14 hours.

15% to 85% is 41 minutes. Ford also throws in the fast charger so you can install it in your home.

Originally Posted by IkemanTX

Aside from not looking so futuristic, this offering from Ford doesn’t hold a candle to the Tesla Cybertruck...

14,000lbs towing, and 500 miles range makes ford’s forage into electric trucks seem like a dud.


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The difference is Ford is actually producing theirs. The Cybertruck will not come out as it looks now, if it comes out at all. Remember the Tesla roadster was supposed to come back out in 2018, then 2019, then 2020, now we are mid 2021, and it's still not released.

[Mike D]

Originally Posted by WItoTX

15% to 85% is 41 minutes. Ford also throws in the fast charger so you can install it in your house.

And this is where lithium batteries like to live. 10-90%. I




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[Scubasteveo]

Their price point will sell the trucks. Under $40,000 for standard model, plus a tax break means you can get it for right at $33,000. They will sell like hot cakes.

[Drycreek3189]

Originally Posted by Scubasteveo

Their price point will sell the trucks. Under $40,000 for standard model, plus a tax break means you can get it for right at $33,000. They will sell like hot cakes.

Maybe to folks who don’t need trucks. Serious truck users will take a little longer to convince. The concrete cowboys might like them.

[camoclad]

Originally Posted by Scubasteveo

Their price point will sell the trucks. Under $40,000 for standard model, plus a tax break means you can get it for right at $33,000. They will sell like hot cakes.

Wonder if the current pricing on new trucks is by design to make us think 33k is a steal.

[ken800]

Originally Posted by Scubasteveo

Their price point will sell the trucks. Under $40,000 for standard model, plus a tax break means you can get it for right at $33,000. They will sell like hot cakes.

I'll be first in line... The "base" model is only available as a supercrew 5.5ft bed. I can't find it again but they indicated the entry level (base and XLT) will have hands-free apple/android on their large-format screen.

I don't tow a lot other than around town and otherwise just use it for basic truck stuff. It'll work for me and will be cheap with the rebate. Only changes would be different wheels, tonneau, tinted windows, and spray-in bed liner.

I would assume it will be very, very similar in feature set to the F150 XL supercrew...

[FLASH_OUTDOORS]

Originally Posted by Scubasteveo

Their price point will sell the trucks. Under $40,000 for standard model, plus a tax break means you can get it for right at $33,000. They will sell like hot cakes.

That’s the single cab work truck. The XLT STARTS at $55,000. 20,000 more than what you can get an XLT for now. With the truck empty the standard battery gets 230miles per charge. We all know how that goes. Probably 200 realistically. That basically means you couldn’t drive from your house to our lease in Crockett and still have charge to get home. Is it the future? Yes. Am I willing to even consider getting one yet? No


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[ken800]

Originally Posted by FLASH_OUTDOORS

That’s the single cab work truck. The XLT STARTS at $55,000. 20,000 more than what you can get an XLT for now. With the truck empty the standard battery gets 230miles per charge. We all know how that goes. Probably 200 realistically. That basically means you couldn’t drive from your house to our lease in Crockett and still have charge to get home. Is it the future? Yes. Am I willing to even consider getting one yet? No


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If you go back and read the press release, it said it would only be offered in supercrew 5.5. I assume that is across all trims -- i.e. base, xlt, etc. That could obviously change but that was my first thought as well. Basically an f150 xl short bed single cab and that's a no go at $33K. If it turns out to be a supercrew 5.5, a few hop ups and it'll be golden as far as I'm concerned.

"The F-150 Lightning is only available as a SuperCrew model with a 5.5-foot box, and it's an inch longer and 1.7 inches taller than the similarly equipped gas F-150. Its wheelbase and width are identical."

[glen]

I wish I was in a position. In a few years once im settled I would like to go this route. It would be awesome for pulling a large boat a short distance. The weight and torque alone will make it a better pulling vehicle

[WItoTX]

I will say I am really excited for this F150 to come out. There is a happy medium between gas and electric hybridization, and it's going to produce some of the most powerful vehicles ever made. The more electric motors MFG's can get on the road, the more R&D they can do, the more the final product improves. And I am all for city folks doing the R&D the next 10 years so when it comes time for me to buy a new truck, the electric motor is perfected, and mated with a diesel generator.

I don't like that Ford used the "Lightning" name. But I get it.

[MLank]

Originally Posted by WItoTX

I will say I am really excited for this F150 to come out. There is a happy medium between gas and electric hybridization, and it's going to produce some of the most powerful vehicles ever made. The more electric motors MFG's can get on the road, the more R&D they can do, the more the final product improves. And I am all for city folks doing the R&D the next 10 years so when it comes time for me to buy a new truck, the electric motor is perfected, and mated with a diesel generator.

I don't like that Ford used the "Lightning" name. But I get it.

Forgive my ignorance on how a Hybrid works.... but, are you saying the truck would have an internal combustion engine and an electric engine? Just, a much much more efficient system 10 years down the road from now after a lot more tweaking to the system? I like the sound of that better than electric only and very limited mileage.

[WItoTX]

Originally Posted by MLank

Forgive my ignorance on how a Hybrid works.... but, are you saying the truck would have an internal combustion engine and an electric engine? Just, a much much more efficient system 10 years down the road from now after a lot more tweaking to the system? I like the sound of that better than electric only and very limited mileage.

The place to look when you want to see where a car a person like myself can afford in 10 years is to look at what companies like McLaren, Porsche, Ferarri, etc... are building today. The tech they build today takes about 10-15 years to get into vehicles for the masses. In another couple years, we will start seeing this set up in Mercedes, and BMW. Then it's just a matter of time until everyone has it. I recall in 2002 a Mercedes with a back up camera. I don't remember if it was a concept or a real car. I thought that was crazy. 2016 I think backup cameras became required by law, and every car had them.

So what engine/motor tech are these companies cars running today? A gas engine attached to an electric generator/motor, and they are capable of running on electric only, or a combination of both. Think of locomotives. They use a giant diesel generator to power electric motors. That is what will come to trucks before long. And that is what I am waiting for.

100% electric is not the answer until battery tech improves massively. And we are 50 years out from any big improvements on battery technology.

[Drycreek3189]

Originally Posted by WItoTX

The place to look when you want to see where a car a person like myself can afford in 10 years is to look at what companies like McLaren, Porsche, Ferarri, etc... are building today. The tech they build today takes about 10-15 years to get into vehicles for the masses. In another couple years, we will start seeing this set up in Mercedes, and BMW. Then it's just a matter of time until everyone has it. I recall in 2002 a Mercedes with a back up camera. I don't remember if it was a concept or a real car. I thought that was crazy. 2016 I think backup cameras became required by law, and every car had them.

So what engine/motor tech are these companies cars running today? A gas engine attached to an electric generator/motor, and they are capable of running on electric only, or a combination of both. Think of locomotives. They use a giant diesel generator to power electric motors. That is what will come to trucks before long. And that is what I am waiting for.

100% electric is not the answer until battery tech improves massively. And we are 50 years out from any big improvements on battery technology.

This makes much more sense than a straight battery powered truck. I would love an electric truck if it were bulletproof and easily, quickly charged on any street corner in Podunk USA, but it ain’t. It ain’t gonna be any time soon either. These other concerns are real too, battery life, what to do with them after they’ve lived their life, cost of replacement, and last, but not least, the scarcity of lithium (and where it’s located). The grid is also a big concern as others have noted. Ford has put the cart in front of the horse.

[MLank]

Originally Posted by WItoTX

The place to look when you want to see where a car a person like myself can afford in 10 years is to look at what companies like McLaren, Porsche, Ferarri, etc... are building today. The tech they build today takes about 10-15 years to get into vehicles for the masses. In another couple years, we will start seeing this set up in Mercedes, and BMW. Then it's just a matter of time until everyone has it. I recall in 2002 a Mercedes with a back up camera. I don't remember if it was a concept or a real car. I thought that was crazy. 2016 I think backup cameras became required by law, and every car had them.

So what engine/motor tech are these companies cars running today? A gas engine attached to an electric generator/motor, and they are capable of running on electric only, or a combination of both. Think of locomotives. They use a giant diesel generator to power electric motors. That is what will come to trucks before long. And that is what I am waiting for.

100% electric is not the answer until battery tech improves massively. And we are 50 years out from any big improvements on battery technology.

Word!

[XR650RRider]

The auto makers are much more interested in Biden's 174 billion dollars of government subsidies that was in last relief package for electric vehicles.

[BigL]

Originally Posted by WItoTX

The place to look when you want to see where a car a person like myself can afford in 10 years is to look at what companies like McLaren, Porsche, Ferarri, etc... are building today. The tech they build today takes about 10-15 years to get into vehicles for the masses. In another couple years, we will start seeing this set up in Mercedes, and BMW. Then it's just a matter of time until everyone has it. I recall in 2002 a Mercedes with a back up camera. I don't remember if it was a concept or a real car. I thought that was crazy. 2016 I think backup cameras became required by law, and every car had them.

So what engine/motor tech are these companies cars running today? A gas engine attached to an electric generator/motor, and they are capable of running on electric only, or a combination of both. Think of locomotives. They use a giant diesel generator to power electric motors. That is what will come to trucks before long. And that is what I am waiting for.

100% electric is not the answer until battery tech improves massively. And we are 50 years out from any big improvements on battery technology.

I'm waiting on the same thing - electric truck with generator to power the motor or provide a charge to get longer ranges. If they had that I would consider one now.

[dbaio1]

Mileage range, time to charge and true battery replacement life have me at never for now.

[tgridley]

Originally Posted by WItoTX

The place to look when you want to see where a car a person like myself can afford in 10 years is to look at what companies like McLaren, Porsche, Ferarri, etc... are building today. The tech they build today takes about 10-15 years to get into vehicles for the masses. In another couple years, we will start seeing this set up in Mercedes, and BMW. Then it's just a matter of time until everyone has it. I recall in 2002 a Mercedes with a back up camera. I don't remember if it was a concept or a real car. I thought that was crazy. 2016 I think backup cameras became required by law, and every car had them.

So what engine/motor tech are these companies cars running today? A gas engine attached to an electric generator/motor, and they are capable of running on electric only, or a combination of both. Think of locomotives. They use a giant diesel generator to power electric motors. That is what will come to trucks before long. And that is what I am waiting for.

100% electric is not the answer until battery tech improves massively. And we are 50 years out from any big improvements on battery technology.

We are running lithium batteries in boats right now. They charge faster, last 10 to 12 years and are half the weight of lead batteries. So battery technology has come a long way and I would venture to say, not 50 years out.

[BlackoutRam2500]

Originally Posted by tgridley

We are running lithium batteries in boats right now. They charge faster, last 10 to 12 years and are half the weight of lead batteries. So battery technology has come a long way and I would venture to say, not 50 years out.

It's interesting you mention reduced weight and batteries. These new F150 trucks are 35% heavier than their gas powered counterparts. Long-term that will mean more pollution, worse wrecks, and greater wear and tear on roads and bridges. There is an interesting article regarding this out today from Slate.

I just wonder how much real research has been done on every aspect by all these automobile companies that are pushing these vehicles out right now? Or are they more focused on politics of the moment and a quick buck?

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[MadHatter]

Originally Posted by MLank

Forgive my ignorance on how a Hybrid works.... but, are you saying the truck would have an internal combustion engine and an electric engine? Just, a much much more efficient system 10 years down the road from now after a lot more tweaking to the system? I like the sound of that better than electric only and very limited mileage.

They already have it on trains.
You should look at mpg on a train pulling all that weight, vs a empty half ton.
10 yrs ago a guy displayed (at the big motor trend show) a truck he built himself that was a hybrid.
1000 hp, 800ftlbs, and 100mpg.
Now imagine that technology 10 yrs ago, built at home nonetheless, and we can't get a truck that gets 30mpg while towing with today's technology .
Big oil/government is our problem.

[DUKFVR]

I would definitely try one out if they get the range I need. I believe they will be great trucks for in town or short trips.

[glen]

It shows a 0-60 time of 4.5 and has the Raptor of 5.5. Gonna kill the Raptor sells.

[ultrastealth]

Originally Posted by glen

It shows a 0-60 time of 4.5 and has the Raptor of 5.5. Gonna kill the Raptor sells.

The 2022 Raptor will get about a 200 horsepower boost and be at least as quick. This is from Motortrend: "The new Raptor will have the Mustang Shelby GT500's Predator 5.2-liter supercharged V-8. In the Mustang, it's rated for 760 hp and 625 lb-ft"

[Mike D]

Originally Posted by ultrastealth

The 2022 Raptor will get about a 200 horsepower boost and be at least as quick. This is from Motortrend: "The new Raptor will have the Mustang Shelby GT500's Predator 5.2-liter supercharged V-8. In the Mustang, it's rated for 760 hp and 625 lb-ft"

Electric will be quicker. Notice I didn’t say faster. That’s why bone stock Teslas slaughter even super exotic cars in the 1/4 mile.


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[arrowsmack324]

Might want to look closer at what type of SJW BS Ford is contributing stacks of cash to.

[RJK70]

It would be a good extra vehicle or toy to have. Or for people who do not drive much other than around town to pick up the kids and groceries.

This got me looking into the cost to use super charging stations and it is not cheap or quick. Again, if you have to recharge anywhere other than home it becomes a pain.

[E.TX.BOWHUNTER]

I was thinking about all these vehicles all being plugged in for all these hours every weekday,( I'm thinking 10-15 years from now) I don't think the power grid is going to like it. I would think you would be limited by some "authority" on when you could charge your vehicle to prevent taking out the grid. Basically you are going to have to get permission to even charge your car. Then, with the smart meters, rates will skyrocket during these hours because the demand will go up during the evenings and nights. each vehicle would be drawing the current almost as much as an electric furnace and if you have 2 cars well you can figure that out. During the summer with all generation being up, how could the grid handle the additional load? We know how "difficult" it is to get permits to build power plants. I see this as a trap. You have a car now that you can't charge and use when you go to work so now you will be forced onto public transportation. I don't see any real good coming from it.

[Drycreek3189]

Originally Posted by E.TX.BOWHUNTER

I was thinking about all these vehicles all being plugged in for all these hours every weekday,( I'm thinking 10-15 years from now) I don't think the power grid is going to like it. I would think you would be limited by some "authority" on when you could charge your vehicle to prevent taking out the grid. Basically you are going to have to get permission to even charge your car. Then, with the smart meters, rates will skyrocket during these hours because the demand will go up during the evenings and nights. each vehicle would be drawing the current almost as much as an electric furnace and if you have 2 cars well you can figure that out. During the summer with all generation being up, how could the grid handle the additional load? We know how "difficult" it is to get permits to build power plants. I see this as a trap. You have a car now that you can't charge and use when you go to work so now you will be forced onto public transportation. I don't see any real good coming from it.

Please do not introduce clear thinking or common sense into this pipe dream. It only confuses the “green is good, carbon is bad” element.

[Matt_C]

Originally Posted by Drycreek3189

Please do not introduce clear thinking or common sense into this pipe dream. It only confuses the “green is good, carbon is bad” element.

Well if carbon is BAD, "WE are all in trouble!! We are carbon beings."

[XR650RRider]

Originally Posted by E.TX.BOWHUNTER

I was thinking about all these vehicles all being plugged in for all these hours every weekday,( I'm thinking 10-15 years from now) I don't think the power grid is going to like it. I would think you would be limited by some "authority" on when you could charge your vehicle to prevent taking out the grid. Basically you are going to have to get permission to even charge your car. Then, with the smart meters, rates will skyrocket during these hours because the demand will go up during the evenings and nights. each vehicle would be drawing the current almost as much as an electric furnace and if you have 2 cars well you can figure that out. During the summer with all generation being up, how could the grid handle the additional load? We know how "difficult" it is to get permits to build power plants. I see this as a trap. You have a car now that you can't charge and use when you go to work so now you will be forced onto public transportation. I don't see any real good coming from it.

Going to be a lot of folks late for work when the rolling blackouts only gets them a 1/4 charge. Since the rapid chargers require a 70 amp service, you can always buy a 18,000 watt generator to charge your vehicle, burn 40 gallons of gasoline to charge your pickup up to the equivalent of a 15 gallon drive. Imagine a suburban neighborhood where every house has an additional 70 amp load on the main power line. Be melting the feeders and switchgear, couple of months for parts, but at least that neighborhood won't be using power for that period.

[HuntForHorns]

I have held off buying a new truck since 2008. I still drive and love my 2008 dodge 4x4 mega cab.

That being said, I did buy a Prius in 2013. One of the best decisions I ever made. It is a hybrid that gets 50mpg everywhere I go. If I don't need to pull a trailer or boat, I am driving the prius.

As soon as I feel comfortable that there is a comparable electric pickup that has the bugs worked out I will buy it. I am in no hurry so I hope in a couple years there will be a reliable all electric truck that has a 500 mile range. If not, hopefully they will have a hybrid pickup that will get 40 to 50mpg when not pulling.

Electric has lots of torq and is fun to drive.

[Lone_Wolf]

Tesla really needs to re-design the cyber truck and make it look like a nice truck, and not something straight out of cheap futuristic Sci fi movie. I know there's a cult following, but if the guts of this truck are actually pretty good, there missing a big chunk of the market on the goofy design.

[bbqfan5909]

I'm really hoping Tundra steps up with a hybrid system. I give it 10 years, electric vehicles will be the norm and quick charging equivalent to filling up as gas station.

[dbaio1]

Originally Posted by bbqfan5909

I'm really hoping Tundra steps up with a hybrid system. I give it 10 years, electric vehicles will be the norm and quick charging equivalent to filling up as gas station.

Hybrid yes, full electric no way. How will I charge up where ever I go. No where I visit has a charging set up. I don't want to be that confined to where I go and what I do. I hope I am dead and gone before total electric is the only option. I support fossil fuels

[Lone_Wolf]

Probably never own one unless I'm forced into a corner, or the Govt. Subsides just get ridiculous. Be more likely to have a commuter car, for back and forth to work. They better be taking into consideration, the suck all these vehicles are going to have on the grid. Look what happened during the winter storm. How we going to charge all these vehicles if we can't keep the lights on, when the weather gets to the extremes.

[panhandlehunter]

Are there places to charge them on the road? The range is what’s a killer for me. I can’t make it to the lease on one charge. I imagine they’ll be like golf carts in the future, people getting rid of them because they need new batteries.

[Playa]

Originally Posted by panhandlehunter

Are there places to charge them on the road? The range is what’s a killer for me. I can’t make it to the lease on one charge. I imagine they’ll be like golf carts in the future, people getting rid of them because they need new batteries.

Yes- what is the realistic life of the battery? I know our golf cart is on set 3 of batts at around a grand a set (I think). I also realize the battery types are different. What’s the ecological cost to disposing of batteries? That can’t be good for the environment.

I just can’t comprehend how these cars cannot have their own on-board charging systems? A 5 gal talk for gas and a small inverter type genny to produce its own charging while driving.

[jason86]

Originally Posted by panhandlehunter

Are there places to charge them on the road? The range is what’s a killer for me. I can’t make it to the lease on one charge. I imagine they’ll be like golf carts in the future, people getting rid of them because they need new batteries.

You don’t go to the lease anyway 😬

[Eastwood]

I'm about as resistant to change as anyone you'll find, but remember many people fought to keep using whale oil and horses.

[jdg13]

Originally Posted by Eastwood

I'm about as resistant to change as anyone you'll find, but remember many people fought to keep using whale oil and horses.

The difference is petroleum and cars have a clear advantage in cost and ease of use over whales and horses. That, and world governments weren't talking about banning horses as an "incentive" to drive cars. Sure, if you are the specific use case where you just drive to work and can charge in your garage overnight, electric is a great choice. Wanna go on a long trip, better plan your stops to find a charger every 300 miles and wait, less if you actually tow/haul anything. Of course if all you care about is "it has instant torque and goes fast" then yeah, electric has an advantage. Real world though, neither the cars or the power grid are ready for prime time.