High Fence question

[trophy8]

High fence. 10 acres. 10,000. 100,000. With as many owners inside as you please. Exterior is all high fenced, then it’s high fence.

Low fence=free range.


And the comment that “down south they’ll hit a high fence eventually so it’s all high fence” is stupid lol. They can walk around the place and go from Mexico to Canada. THAT is not high fence.

This is a pretty simple concept. I have nothing against high fence so long as it’s not kick and shoot. I’ll hunt large acreage HF and have. Just stating facts. Folks trying to change a defenition to make them feel good I guess?

[jshouse]

Originally Posted by trophy8

High fence. 10 acres. 10,000. 100,000. With as many owners inside as you please. Exterior is all high fenced, then it’s high fence.

Low fence=free range.


And the comment that “down south they’ll hit a high fence eventually so it’s all high fence” is stupid lol. They can walk around the place and go from Mexico to Canada. THAT is not high fence.

This is a pretty simple concept. I have nothing against high fence so long as it’s not kick and shoot. I’ll hunt large acreage HF and have. Just stating facts. Folks trying to change a defenition to make them feel good I guess?

are roads the buffer? if i have a perfect square piece of LF property with county roads on all 4 sides, and all of my neighbors across the roads are HF, am i good to call myself LF because the deer can run down the middle of the road until the HF stops?

[RiverRat1]

Originally Posted by redfishted

Here's how its even a question.

You have a landowner that owns 5000 acres, almost 8 sections, not 10 inside a breeding operation.
No connection to any neighbors, dont know what they are shooting or not shooting.
A piece of property that is plus or minus 65% low fenced and balance high fenced.
if you read the entire thread you can see that it is somewhat divided by people that think one way or another, so it would seem that the question is a relevant one and has intelligent folks on both sides.

Hope that helps clear it up for you.

Originally Posted by rladner

It seems that many people argue that if the deer can't escape from you then it is High Fence. In the OPs scenario, the deer CAN escape you by going to the neighbors' property on either side. I think that is why the question is posed. Are you hunting high fence if the deer can escape from the land you are hunting/own?

I didn't know deer could read property deeds or tax records and see that someone else owned the property in the middle that had LF around it.

So what's stopping a HF operation from putting a 10, 20 (or whatever size floats your boat) LF plot right in the center of his ranch (of whatever size) and calling it a LF kill?

Again, how in the world is this even a question?

[mjhaverkamp]

Originally Posted by jshouse

are roads the buffer? if i have a perfect square piece of LF property with county roads on all 4 sides, and all of my neighbors across the roads are HF, am i good to call myself LF because the deer can run down the middle of the road until the HF stops?

As long as the deer on your place can end up in Canada you are good to go.

[rolylane6]

Originally Posted by mjhaverkamp

As long as the deer on your place can end up in Canada you are good to go.

So of we build the border wall at the southern border (I know, I'm dreaming) and Canada, in retaliation (please, oh please do) does the same to keep us out, are we all then high fenced and we could forever be done with this insane argument?

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[Chance Love]

Originally Posted by rolylane6

So of we build the border wall at the southern border (I know, I'm dreaming) and Canada, in retaliation (please, oh please do) does the same to keep us out, are we all then high fenced and we could forever be done with this insane argument?

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Yes I think so. Since some think the size of a place doesn't matter, I'd say you are correct.

[S-3 Ranch]

Water is wet
Wait!
Water makes stuff wet.

[rolylane6]

Originally Posted by S-3 Ranch

Water is wet
Wait!
Water makes stuff wet.

Unless it's already wet, then it just makes it... wetter? Wait, is there different levels of wet, or is wet just wet, no matter how wet?
What were we talking about?


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[Bassdeer]

How highs the fence? I saw a video on here of a pig jumping a high fence, so you could have free range pigs.

[bugleboy]

As I understand it, you drive through the high fence to get to your place. Once you're inside said high fenced 15,000 acres, you can't get back outside of it without going through the same high fence gate, or some other high fenced gate. Therefore, you are hunting inside a high fenced area. Doesn't matter that your particular part of that area is fenced off with a low fence.

[deerdynasty]

im willing to bet a TON of low fence areas have high fences on one or more sides... and if you looked at a page map it would be surrounded by fence on 3 or all sides... think about how many miles of HF is in Texas... nuts

[bullets13]

Originally Posted by kyle1974

it's "low fence", and one of the reasons you see some really really big "low fence" deer these days.


there's 1000 acres inside of my lease that's completely high fenced that has about 4-5 different tracts in it. the people that hunt on that 1100 acres don't even know they're high fenced in.

lol. I get to go play on my buddy's 1200 acre high fence ranch a few times a year. it doesn't take that much driving to run into one of those high fences.

[bullets13]

To the OP, it's absolutely a high fence. There is a set area that is completely barricaded that the deer can't escape from under any circumstances. A couple of invisible, imaginary lines in the middle of that property do not change that. If a single deer has been brought in from outside the fence to alter the genetics inside of the fence, then your argument for low fence, which was flimsy to begin with has even less validity.

[kyle1974]

Originally Posted by bullets13

lol. I get to go play on my buddy's 1200 acre high fence ranch a few times a year. it doesn't take that much driving to run into one of those high fences.

Other than trespassing on to someone else’s property maybe?

8 different tracts in that 1100 acres. So I guess if you want to trespass you could find out it’s all high fence, but I’ve talked with some of the people hunting there and they have no idea because they’ve never seen it.

How many property lines does a deer have to be able to cross until it’s fair chase?

[cpatterson]

Originally Posted by kyle1974

Other than trespassing on to someone else’s property maybe?

8 different tracts in that 1100 acres. So I guess if you want to trespass you could find out it’s all high fence, but I’ve talked with some of the people hunting there and they have no idea because they’ve never seen it.

How many property lines does a deer have to be able to cross until it’s fair chase?

How do they get to their tract within the high fence without going through a high fence gate?


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[kyle1974]

Originally Posted by cpatterson

How do they get to their tract within the high fence without going through a high fence gate?


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LOL. Funny story about that. Until two years ago there was no gate.

6 miles of high fence and my landowner put up a cattle guard with a low fence gate next to it. It is a high fence gate now with some panels around the cattle guard.

So they all go through that section, but some of them don’t realize how far the high fence extends because that cattleguard is in the NE corner. So the guys who go in there have 1-2-3 neighbors past them that’s all low fence between.


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[cpatterson]

Originally Posted by kyle1974

LOL. Funny story about that. Until two years ago there was no gate.

6 miles of high fence and my landowner put up a cattle guard with a low fence gate next to it. It is a high fence gate now with some panels around the cattle guard.

So they all go through that section, but some of them don’t realize how far the high fence extends because that cattleguard is in the NE corner. So the guys who go in there have 1-2-3 neighbors past them that’s all low fence between.


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I see. So as far as they “know” it’s only high fenced on that side.


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[kyle1974]

Originally Posted by cpatterson

I see. So as far as they “know” it’s only high fenced on that side.


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That 1100 acres is 100% high fenced. But tract to tract is not. And some of them honesty do not know. I tried to explain to one guy that it was and he absolutely argued about it. I just said “ok”.

[rladner]

Originally Posted by RiverRat1

I didn't know deer could read property deeds or tax records and see that someone else owned the property in the middle that had LF around it.

So what's stopping a HF operation from putting a 10, 20 (or whatever size floats your boat) LF plot right in the center of his ranch (of whatever size) and calling it a LF kill?

Again, how in the world is this even a question?

Exactly as I laid it out. Has nothing to do with deeds. OP is referring to someone who has NO RIGHT to hunt the other parcels, No common ownership, can't even touch the other properties without trespassing. We are not talking about 10 acres. I would ask the same question, but say it is 20K acres, inside of a 100K acre place. If I only own the 20K acre and can only step foot on the 20K acres, but the deer can roam the full 100K acres, are they not free to leave my 20K acres whenever they want? So, aren't they free to come and go off my property? I would pose the same question to the island of Hawaii. Isn't that a contained property with preventative boundaries? Again, not saying I don't disagree with you, just trying to explain "How this is a question"

[Gclyde28]

Originally Posted by kyle1974

How many property lines does a deer have to be able to cross until it’s fair chase?

If you apply a number to it, its high fenced. If you are really talking true free range, the number of property lines the deer can cross is infinity.

[bullets13]

Originally Posted by kyle1974

Other than trespassing on to someone else’s property maybe?

8 different tracts in that 1100 acres. So I guess if you want to trespass you could find out it’s all high fence, but I’ve talked with some of the people hunting there and they have no idea because they’ve never seen it.

How many property lines does a deer have to be able to cross until it’s fair chase?

somehow you know it's high fence but claim the people on the property are too dumb to figure it out? The fence would greatly increase the value of the lease, but the owner is being sneaky about it? makes no sense. either way, it's all irrelevant. 1100 acres is a small area of land that a deer can cross completely in a couple of hours. the deer are absolutely captive deer, no matter if there's 8 or 800 imaginary lines on the place.

[trophy8]

Originally Posted by rladner

Exactly as I laid it out. Has nothing to do with deeds. OP is referring to someone who has NO RIGHT to hunt the other parcels, No common ownership, can't even touch the other properties without trespassing. We are not talking about 10 acres. I would ask the same question, but say it is 20K acres, inside of a 100K acre place. If I only own the 20K acre and can only step foot on the 20K acres, but the deer can roam the full 100K acres, are they not free to leave my 20K acres whenever they want? So, aren't they free to come and go off my property? I would pose the same question to the island of Hawaii. Isn't that a contained property with preventative boundaries? Again, not saying I don't disagree with you, just trying to explain "How this is a question"

100k acres completely surrounded by high fence is still high fenced. Very very very simple concept. Lol

[trophy8]

Originally Posted by jshouse

are roads the buffer? if i have a perfect square piece of LF property with county roads on all 4 sides, and all of my neighbors across the roads are HF, am i good to call myself LF because the deer can run down the middle of the road until the HF stops?

No. High fence is high fence. This isn’t a matter of opinion. It’s a fact. Completely surrounded by high fence it’s still high fenced.

[rolylane6]

Originally Posted by Gclyde28

If you apply a number to it, its high fenced. If you are really talking true free range, the number of property lines the deer can cross is infinity.

Then there is no longer any free range deer in America

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[trophy8]

Originally Posted by rolylane6

Then there is no longer any free range deer in America

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This is the dumbest argument ever lol.

This entire post makes me want to kick a puppy. Lol

[KingsX]

Originally Posted by Chance Love

Yes I think so. Since some think the size of a place doesn't matter, I'd say you are correct.

You have now made one of the dumbest comments in this thread.
It’s hypothetical at best and not reality. Wish folks would debate reality vs whatever they can dream up to win the internet that day.
Guess we need to clarify and explain/spell everything out now! When someone says it doesn’t matter what size a place is most people know it is a hunting ranch that’s being talked about. Not the entire United States of America and its cities together under one Highfence and ocean enclosure that doesn’t exist. If one day it does I guess an asterisk * will be needed by all entries into the UnitedStates part of the record books. Lol.
I like a good train wreck but dang!

[kyle1974]

Originally Posted by bullets13

somehow you know it's high fence but claim the people on the property are too dumb to figure it out? The fence would greatly increase the value of the lease, but the owner is being sneaky about it? makes no sense. either way, it's all irrelevant. 1100 acres is a small area of land that a deer can cross completely in a couple of hours. the deer are absolutely captive deer, no matter if there's 8 or 800 imaginary lines on the place.

it's not "somehow" I know, I know because the ranch I lease is 17,000 acres and surrounds it on all 4 sides, and I drive all 4 sides of it on a regular basis.

you're right, that entire place IS high fenced. that's not what I'm saying.

I'm saying if a guy shoots a deer on one of those tracts and enters it into a low fence competition, what happens?


I will draft a letter and leave it on their entrance with your concerns so they can be fully abreast of the situation here on TBH

[RiverRat1]

Originally Posted by trophy8

This is the dumbest argument ever lol.

This entire post makes me want to kick a puppy. Lol

I think we're on cats now FYI

So kick a kitten or hold a cat underwater etc.

[trophy8]

Originally Posted by RiverRat1

I think we're on cats now FYI

So kick a kitten or hold a cat underwater etc.

But I like puppies and wouldn’t kick one. Not fond of cats