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Old 01-23-2022, 06:32 PM   #1
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OK, I know there are alot of Truck threads but was wondering if any mechanics on here who might have insightn for me. I am looking to maybe- just maybe by my first big boy truck for pulling my trailer. I am scared to death to get that 10k mech bill for Emissions etc that they seem to all get. Wondering which years of each brand to stay away from.

Me personally I like the 2016 and up Rams with Mega cab or crew cab with at least 6.5 bed. All my buddies have fords so dont really want to copy, but they are good trucks. But I hear most of the high dollar bills from them and they are all ford issues. The GMC Denali 2500 hd is nice but dont pull ****. Plus Chevy interior always seems less sturdy and not made of the same higher quality materials as the other 2.

I am also not affraid to get a gas motor either on a 3/4 ton. I currently drive at Nissan Titan XD pro4x which is a 5/8 ton. bigger than a half ton but a hair smaller than a 3/4 ton. It pulls the gooseneck decent and has plenty of power, just tired of messing with small issues on it that add up.
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Old 01-23-2022, 06:48 PM   #2
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IMO they are so close together these days with power, features, technology, capacities etc you can't make a bad choice. Get whichever you think is the coolest or can get the best deal on. They all have the same risk for the fuel pump issues and emissions. Ford and Chevy have the exact same 10 speed transmission on the newer trucks so don't let some one sell you on the Allison transmission.
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i have 18 F250-f450 6.7 Powerstrokes. Very few if any problems with them. Also have 5 Duramax trucks all deleted. We only buy Fords now. Bought some f250 gassers, they get horrible fuel milage and all have o2 and cat problems.
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i have 18 F250-f450 6.7 Powerstrokes. Very few if any problems with them. Also have 5 Duramax trucks all deleted. We only buy Fords now. Bought some f250 gassers, they get horrible fuel milage and all have o2 and cat problems.
You tried the 7.3 gas engine yet? Always like to hear peoples opinion that has had as many diesels as you.
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You tried the 7.3 gas engine yet? Always like to hear peoples opinion that has had as many diesels as you.
If I was going to buy a super duty, that is the one I would buy.
If I was going to buy a 1/2 ton, a Toyota Tundra would be top of my list.
Diesel engines just arenít worth it anymore. They all have the crappy cp4?pump that is going to explode.
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If I was going to buy a super duty, that is the one I would buy.
If I was going to buy a 1/2 ton, a Toyota Tundra would be top of my list.
Diesel engines just aren’t worth it anymore. They all have the crappy cp4?pump that is going to explode.
Best truck I ever owned was a tundra crew max. But changed when I needed to pull a goose neck 3-4 times a week
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Your going to get a lot of mechanics. Lol
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I love my 16 2500 megacab
Only thing Iíd have done differently was get 3500 with Aisin transmission.
Iíve already been through one 68RFE but I tow heavy and often.
Iím convinced thermostatic bypass failed and the rising temps of trans smoked it
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Only one still running CP4 fuel pumps now is PowerStrokes. Duramax and Ram dumped them this year, thankfully!


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If I was going to buy a super duty, that is the one I would buy.
If I was going to buy a 1/2 ton, a Toyota Tundra would be top of my list.
Diesel engines just arenít worth it anymore. They all have the crappy cp4?pump that is going to explode.
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Old 01-23-2022, 07:49 PM   #10
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I know a couple guys that switched from Ford to Dodge. It wasnít too long and each of them switched back to Ford. When I was shopping I only considered Ford and GMC. Been very happy with my 2017 F-250.
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We have a 2018 ram 2500 and i pull my 40ft 5th wheel with it and the trans temp never gets over 170. It weighs 12,000 lbs
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Think they are all pretty decent but for sure the Ram has the most comfort especially for a big man
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Old 01-23-2022, 08:34 PM   #13
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I asked the guys at my local diesel shop the same question. They all said 6.7 Cummins 2014 or newer. My family has driven Ford diesels for 30 years. We have all switched to Ram in the last 3 years. Just feel like you get more for your money with Ram HD trucks. I wonít drive another Ford.
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Old 01-23-2022, 08:44 PM   #14
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Anybody pull a 5th wheel TT with the Ram 2500 6.4 gas hemi?
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Old 01-23-2022, 08:48 PM   #15
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I have a 2015 mega 2500 that I'll be selling in the next month. Yes, I had issues with DEF this past fall but truck has a brand new turbo, def tank has been burned clean, and a new def line. I wanted to keep it stock because I knew I'd be getting rid of it soon. New owner will have the choice of driving it stock for at least 100k miles or deleting it day 1.

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Old 01-24-2022, 06:35 AM   #16
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I see more Fords broke down on the side of the road. Just an observation
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Old 01-24-2022, 06:59 AM   #17
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Only one still running CP4 fuel pumps now is PowerStrokes. Duramax and Ram dumped them this year, thankfully!
It wonít matter. When you are dealing with 30,000 psi injection systems that inject up to 5 injections on the compression stroke, the whole system is overloaded.
Think about this. If it averages 2 injections per compression stroke, at 100,000 milesÖ.your fuel system actually has 200,000 miles on it.
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Cool Club = Ford
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if someone would match a CAT engine with a 10L90 transmission in a light duty truck, I would buy 10 of them tomorrow.
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If the government would leave them alone they all would be badazz. Volkswagen got away with it for awhile. Imagine 25 mpg no more cow pizz no more plastic containers

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When you get that Dodge, make sure you flip up them Tow mirrors while hauling the ghost trailer....



I drive an 2017 F250 with the 6.7, I have zero complaints with 115k on the clock. Ford is my choice, but they are all capable.

Dodge 2nd
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When you get that Dodge, make sure you flip up them Tow mirrors while hauling the ghost trailer....



I drive an 2017 F250 with the 6.7, I have zero complaints with 115k on the clock. Ford is my choice, but they are all capable.

Dodge 2nd
Chevy/GMC 3rd
In my Dodge I don't flip mirrors hauling my 30' camper, 24' gooseneck, 16' flatbed, or 12' flat bed. It would be nice to, but I worry about my appearance.....

In my Ford, I don't haul.
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How much are you pulling? 5th wheel? Gooseneck? Bumper pull?

That alone would sway gas vs diesel. I will tell you my 6.7 Ford has just shy of 190k on it, and I wouldn't hesitate to take it anywhere right now. Proper maintenance is key. Good oil, quality filter, and fuel filter every oil change.

My biggest expenses so far has been front end parts (Ball joints wore out on steering linkage) and new shocks. If you keep the truck on factory tires and do not lift it, your suspension will last forever.

I wouldn't hesitate to get into a Dodge 6.7 either. Drove one myself, but didn't like the throttle response. Just stay away from GM.
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Old 01-24-2022, 08:33 AM   #24
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High output Ram diesel with the Aisin transmission is a torque monster. The power is crazy. The Ford 10 speed is very nice but the service trucks we have are all newer than 2017 and the motors are junk. They are under a load all the time and have just over 130k miles average on them. One motor completely blew up at 125k miles. Several other knock and leak like a Siv.
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Best thing I found was was to trade them in at 99000 or every 2 years

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Old 01-24-2022, 08:48 AM   #26
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Mitch, it's a toss-up.
I am currently in a 2019 Duramax, 95K miles no problems.
We quit buying Fords for fleet trucks years ago, way to many problems with them.
We currently have quite a few 2500 to 5500 Ram's in our fleet, 2007 Models to 2020 models. Several have upwards of 300,000 miles on them- mechanic trucks, flatbeds, to superintendent pickups. Zero big powertrain issues.
I had a 2016 Ram with the 6.4 Hemi that I put 180K miles on.
I will say that GM has the better ride & seat comfort but Ram is winning the ergonomics & interior battle.
My retirement ride will be a Ram 2500 Mega Cab diesel with the Ram boxes.
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Old 01-24-2022, 08:55 AM   #27
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2020 Ram 3500 dually with the HO package 27K miles. This thing is a beast it will snatch the paint off a trailer, I pull pretty heavy loads often no break downs only issues is the recalls (first the wheel studs now the high pressure fuel pump). I went from diesel to gas now back to diesel
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I've had 4 6.7 Powerstrokes. I really haven't had any issues.

I haven't kept one past 100k miles though so as far as Cp4 and all that I may not be the best to give advice.

I trade every 2-3 years for tax purposes.

I've always been more than pleased with Fords though. Currently have a 2020 F-350 SRW, it's an absolute monster towing.
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When you get that Dodge, make sure you flip up them Tow mirrors while hauling the ghost trailer....
Here's an observation for ya. Why does every dodge I see have those mirrors in tow mode taking up 2 lanes whether pulling a trailer or not? I dont see Ford's or Chevy's doing this. Is the Dodge such a dog that they think they must still be pulling something?



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In the fleet of 1100 vehicles that I manage we have seen a huge increase in the the issues with the after treatment on the diesel trucks. Mainly (admittedly) from either lack of driving or high idle times. The DPFs are bad about getting dirty real quick if the vehicle is not driven at hwy speeds to properly go through a regen mode. A lot of the school districts have started buying gas buses instead of diesel buses due to the high fuel, DEF, and DPF cleaning and replacement cost according the FleetSolutions magazine articles. You could opt for the 7.3 Ford with proper gearing or the 6.6 GM gas motors, personally I went with the 7.3 Ford gasser. Ford built that motor as a diesel replacement for the commercial market that wanted to get away from the diesel costs. That motor is a beast and is over-built and under-engineered, meaning it does not have all the Active Fuel Management, and Displacement on Demand built in that will go south on you. GMs motor has a high pressure fuel pump that rides on the camshaft, in other applications I have seen that same type of system cause serious internal engine failure, not something I wanted to possibly have to deal with.
You won't get the mpg with a gas that a diesel gets, but you will only be down about 2-4 mpg one from the other buy everyone I have talked to, (I'm talking real world mpg, not some blow smoke mpg). What really matters is what you want and like to drive, and what feels good to you when you're driving it.
Don't get me wrong, at times I really miss my diesel, but it was a 2004 Chevy 1 ton, with no emissions on it, the newer diesels are not the same critter, my gasser pulls what I have without any issues and I don't have to worry about DEF and DPF issues.
This is just my honest opinion and my 0.2 for what it is worth.
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I see more Fords broke down on the side of the road. Just an observation
Probably 6.0's....had one, mine sucked.
My 6.7 just turned 390k and finally had to replace the turbo. Other than that just the normal maintenance and wear n tear items. It's been the best truck I've ever owned. Been thru all the big 3.

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In the fleet of 1100 vehicles that I manage we have seen a huge increase in the the issues with the after treatment on the diesel trucks. Mainly (admittedly) from either lack of driving or high idle times. The DPFs are bad about getting dirty real quick if the vehicle is not driven at hwy speeds to properly go through a regen mode. A lot of the school districts have started buying gas buses instead of diesel buses due to the high fuel, DEF, and DPF cleaning and replacement cost according the FleetSolutions magazine articles. You could opt for the 7.3 Ford with proper gearing or the 6.6 GM gas motors, personally I went with the 7.3 Ford gasser. Ford built that motor as a diesel replacement for the commercial market that wanted to get away from the diesel costs. That motor is a beast and is over-built and under-engineered, meaning it does not have all the Active Fuel Management, and Displacement on Demand built in that will go south on you. GMs motor has a high pressure fuel pump that rides on the camshaft, in other applications I have seen that same type of system cause serious internal engine failure, not something I wanted to possibly have to deal with.
You won't get the mpg with a gas that a diesel gets, but you will only be down about 2-4 mpg one from the other buy everyone I have talked to, (I'm talking real world mpg, not some blow smoke mpg). What really matters is what you want and like to drive, and what feels good to you when you're driving it.
Don't get me wrong, at times I really miss my diesel, but it was a 2004 Chevy 1 ton, with no emissions on it, the newer diesels are not the same critter, my gasser pulls what I have without any issues and I don't have to worry about DEF and DPF issues.
This is just my honest opinion and my 0.2 for what it is worth.
I don't really need the diesel anymore for what I do but I sure like having it just in case. I plan to drive this one until it suffers a break down that cost more than it's worth to repair. Then I may go gas as well.

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Iím a Ram fan myself and have never had a major issue with them over the years, Iím going to sell my wifeís 2018 Ram 2500 Longhorn crew cab with 24,000 miles on it pretty soon if thatís of interest. Itís never pulled anything bigger than a 14í trailer with a side by side on it and itís lived most of its life sitting inside a shop. She has a new one ordered and when it comes in we will sell this one.

I bought 2 new Fordís in 2019 and they spent so much time in the shop for various issues I gave up on them and went back to all Ramís, Iím sure their all decent trucks but I donít have time for stupid stuff causing non stop issues and trips to the shop.

Personally weíve owned 19 new Rams with diesels since 2010 and other than minor issues theyíve been outstanding trucks and most of them regularly pull 25,000 plus loads. I learned my lesson and Iím sticking with Ramís and the Cummins set ups,
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Second gen dodge 12 valve. Pay someone to restore to new and rebuild engine.
Spend about the same as a newer truck in total and have no emissions.


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We have a 2018 ram 2500 and i pull my 40ft 5th wheel with it and the trans temp never gets over 170. It weighs 12,000 lbs
same here....168 deg but mine is 43' and weighs $17K empty
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Here's an observation for ya. Why does every dodge I see have those mirrors in tow mode taking up 2 lanes whether pulling a trailer or not? I dont see Ford's or Chevy's doing this. Is the Dodge such a dog that they think they must still be pulling something?


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I've had both a duramax and a cummins. My 2016 Duramax was a great truck, put 235,000 mile on it in 3 years and only had to replace the alternators 2 times and delete it after the DEF system went out with 215,000 miles on it. Traded it in and got my current 2019 Ram 2500 Laramie Sport, interior wise its better than the chevy and my brother's Platinum, pulls better stock than my deleted duramax did, but doesn't ride quite as smooth as my duramax did.

My dad has a 2021 3500 duramax dually that he likes alot, and it tows great, doesn't squat as much as his 2020 F350 Dually did.

My brother has a 2020 F350 Platinum Dually that he like alot also, pulls well, but its been broken into like 3 times in a year so that hard to deal with.

Cousins Husband has a 2021 3500 SRW Denali that he likes alot, tows good and rides good, comfy seats also.

I'd say go drive all 3 and see which one you like the best, they're all great trucks.
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In the fleet of 1100 vehicles that I manage we have seen a huge increase in the the issues with the after treatment on the diesel trucks. Mainly (admittedly) from either lack of driving or high idle times. The DPFs are bad about getting dirty real quick if the vehicle is not driven at hwy speeds to properly go through a regen mode. A lot of the school districts have started buying gas buses instead of diesel buses due to the high fuel, DEF, and DPF cleaning and replacement cost according the FleetSolutions magazine articles. You could opt for the 7.3 Ford with proper gearing or the 6.6 GM gas motors, personally I went with the 7.3 Ford gasser. Ford built that motor as a diesel replacement for the commercial market that wanted to get away from the diesel costs. That motor is a beast and is over-built and under-engineered, meaning it does not have all the Active Fuel Management, and Displacement on Demand built in that will go south on you. GMs motor has a high pressure fuel pump that rides on the camshaft, in other applications I have seen that same type of system cause serious internal engine failure, not something I wanted to possibly have to deal with.
You won't get the mpg with a gas that a diesel gets, but you will only be down about 2-4 mpg one from the other buy everyone I have talked to, (I'm talking real world mpg, not some blow smoke mpg). What really matters is what you want and like to drive, and what feels good to you when you're driving it.
Don't get me wrong, at times I really miss my diesel, but it was a 2004 Chevy 1 ton, with no emissions on it, the newer diesels are not the same critter, my gasser pulls what I have without any issues and I don't have to worry about DEF and DPF issues.
This is just my honest opinion and my 0.2 for what it is worth.
this is exactly why I keep coming back to Gas in my mind. I start to talk myself into going with a Diesel, then all that you posted comes back to me and makes me lean toward a gasser. I really like the Ram 2500 with the hemi. Think it is a 6.4l Gas millage is important, but not as much as not having a huge emissions bill at the dealer, or going into some kind of limp mode pulling a trailer somewhere. I also despise the need for DEF fuel. Why WHY>>>> Just an added expense to add to your monthly bill.
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this is exactly why I keep coming back to Gas in my mind. I start to talk myself into going with a Diesel, then all that you posted comes back to me and makes me lean toward a gasser. I really like the Ram 2500 with the hemi. Think it is a 6.4l Gas millage is important, but not as much as not having a huge emissions bill at the dealer, or going into some kind of limp mode pulling a trailer somewhere. I also despise the need for DEF fuel. Why WHY>>>> Just an added expense to add to your monthly bill.
As far as emissions go, if you're pulling and running on the highway it should be a problem. I would idle mine for 12 hours straight then drive it for 3 hours at 85-90 MPH to clean it out, it finally just gave out after 215,000 miles and I took it to a shop and 1500 later I was back on the road with no worries, with a truck that ran much better.

But I agree DEF does suck.
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Old 01-24-2022, 11:35 AM   #40
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I know it sounds that way but it really was a serious question (final comment aside). Why do so many of these trucks drive with those mirrors extended all the way out? Do they get stuck there or is it just the "cool" thing to do?

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Old 01-24-2022, 11:54 AM   #41
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I know it sounds that way but it really was a serious question (final comment aside). Why do so many of these trucks drive with those mirrors extended all the way out? Do they get stuck there or is it just the "cool" thing to do?

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Mine are manual. If I forget to flip them back down before I'm back on the road, there gonna stay that way until I get home.

They are hard to see out of flipped up.....imho
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Old 01-24-2022, 12:00 PM   #42
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Mine are manual. If I forget to flip them back down before I'm back on the road, there gonna stay that way until I get home.



They are hard to see out of flipped up.....imho
Do they not extend as well as flip? The ones I'm talking about seem to be sticking way, way out there.
And what you're saying makes sense. I didn't think about them being manual and not being able to retract from inside the truck.

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Old 01-24-2022, 12:03 PM   #43
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Do they not extend as well as flip? The ones I'm talking about seem to be sticking way, way out there.

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Not the newer ones but you can buy extensions. BTW I have never found the need to flip my mirrors up.
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Old 01-24-2022, 12:09 PM   #44
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Not the newer ones but you can buy extensions. BTW I have never found the need to flip my mirrors up.
Thanks, and OP, sorry for the derail...back to regularly scheduled programming.

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Old 01-24-2022, 12:11 PM   #45
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Do they not extend as well as flip? The ones I'm talking about seem to be sticking way, way out there.
And what you're saying makes sense. I didn't think about them being manual and not being able to retract from inside the truck.

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On mine....when you flip them up, they roll outward.....so they are extending out more
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Old 01-24-2022, 01:30 PM   #46
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2020 F350 C/C FX4 LB with the 7.3 gasser and 10 speed. 3.73 gearing. MPG is ok, really do not watch what it is as I did not buy this truck for the mileage.

Plenty of power and fun to drive. Do not tow a lot except for the occasional 16 flat bed with my 32 horse Kubota, shredder and bucket on it. No problems at under 30,000 miles so far.

3.55 gearing would get better mileage.

At the time I bought mine, Ford offered the 4.30 or 3.55 in the F250. That is the reason i went with the F350 to get the 3.73 plus I wanted a long bed and it is almost impossible to find a long bed in either the F250 0r F350 in a color other than white and i did not want a white truck!
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Who woulda thunk "what's the best diesel" thread would have people posting that all three are the best and all three are the worst. Although there seems to be some level of agreement on the GM...
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Old 01-24-2022, 02:00 PM   #48
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High output Ram diesel with the Aisin transmission is a torque monster. The power is crazy. The Ford 10 speed is very nice but the service trucks we have are all newer than 2017 and the motors are junk. They are under a load all the time and have just over 130k miles average on them. One motor completely blew up at 125k miles. Several other knock and leak like a Siv.
Spot on. I've owned 15 diesels personally over the years. I'm an equipment manager for a fairly large construction company. We've tried everything. Every manufacture has good and bad year models with their fair share of issues. Currently the best choice is a high output Cummins with the Aisin. Ideally you delete it with a single tow tune and you're good to go. The guys driving power strokes are the guys who trade them in once the warranty goes out. Same with the new duramaxes. You almost never see a high mileage 6.7 powerstroke or new duramax. High mileage cummins are all over the road.
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Old 01-24-2022, 02:09 PM   #49
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CP3's were wonderful fuel pumps. CP4s are known to grenade with bad fuel, trashing entire fuel system. High PSI has been around along time, not a good excuse for a poorly designed pump.

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It wonít matter. When you are dealing with 30,000 psi injection systems that inject up to 5 injections on the compression stroke, the whole system is overloaded.
Think about this. If it averages 2 injections per compression stroke, at 100,000 milesÖ.your fuel system actually has 200,000 miles on it.
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Old 01-24-2022, 02:17 PM   #50
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I see more Fords broke down on the side of the road. Just an observation
There are way more of them on the road than any other truck would be my guess.

I have in my fleet 30 Ford diesel trucks, very few if any problems with them at all. I have two Internationals and nothing but issues with them, 4 GMC's and they have been great mechanically but the interior does not last. I would not buy a Dodge if my life depended on it, great motor surrounded by pure garbage on all levels.
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