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Old 09-04-2020, 10:27 AM   #1
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This is one thing the democrat house is going to do that I agree with. We need to deal with our drug problem in some other way than we have been doing. Doing more of the same expecting a different result.

I think we should legalize this and tax this just like we do cigarettes. Don't make the taxes too high or people will just keep going the illegal route. This will not solve our drug use problem. We need to find another way to solve that problem.
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Old 09-04-2020, 10:37 AM   #2
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I don't use marijuana but tend to agree, as I don't see it as being any worse than alcohol or tobacco (I could be totally wrong here, someone please let me know if I am lol).
That and I just don't think the government should be telling anyone what kind of plants they can or can't grow.
It seems like an additional tax revenue stream that could help with the debt situation.
Additionally, wouldn't the legalization of pot negatively affect the Mexican drug cartels?

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Old 09-04-2020, 10:41 AM   #3
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Legalize it......we have bigger problems to deal with.
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Old 09-04-2020, 10:42 AM   #4
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I don't have a problem with it.
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Maybe we Americans need to get high and gratified!
Too much tension!
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Old 09-04-2020, 11:03 AM   #6
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I smoked as a youngster but not anymore. I'm on the legalize wagon. Lots of cops won't even do anything anyways if your caught with small amounts. Why not try to make some money from it.
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Old 09-04-2020, 11:04 AM   #7
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I am LE and I agree. Tax it like tobacco or however. Make penalties stiff for illegal marijuana. Will need to tax $$$ to deal with some of the problems it causes. I consider it like alcohol. It does cause problems but if someone can be responsible then it is about the same problems. Just because it is legal does not mean everyone should have to accept it. Business owner has rule no marijuana/alcohol in system and person pops hot fires without hesitation.
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Old 09-04-2020, 11:11 AM   #8
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You can't get Texas to allow legal gambling in their state. Good luck getting them to allow hippy lettuce to be legal.

The conservative war on drugs has been a money maker for years. Good luck getting them to turn over a new leaf.
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Old 09-04-2020, 11:13 AM   #9
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I am LE and I agree. Tax it like tobacco or however. Make penalties stiff for illegal marijuana. Will need to tax $$$ to deal with some of the problems it causes. I consider it like alcohol. It does cause problems but if someone can be responsible then it is about the same problems. Just because it is legal does not mean everyone should have to accept it. Business owner has rule no marijuana/alcohol in system and person pops hot fires without hesitation.
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Old 09-04-2020, 11:24 AM   #10
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Iím all in. I used my 1200.00 stimulus to get started by putting together a tent. I will harvest next Thursday.

Fully legal. Medical personnel production license.

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Old 09-04-2020, 11:25 AM   #11
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Agree. Look at 4 Wheels avatar. He looks pie eyed, with big grin.
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Old 09-04-2020, 11:27 AM   #12
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I would rather carry a firearm than smoke dope. I'm pretty sure you wont be able to do both, whether or not its legalized.
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Old 09-04-2020, 11:29 AM   #13
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Penalties are nothing for drugs. That's why it's a problem. The war on drugs is making someone a lot of money or it wouldn't be a problem.
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Old 09-04-2020, 11:29 AM   #14
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Marijuana is a law that has eased in enforcement in Texas. What having it Federally illegal does is prevents businesses from using traditional banking that any proceeds come from Marijuana. It does need to change and be addressed. It is a State and Federal money maker just like casinos would be great for Texas. Galveston would be a perfect example.
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Old 09-04-2020, 11:31 AM   #15
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Legalize it already!
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Old 09-04-2020, 11:33 AM   #16
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I would rather carry a firearm than smoke dope. I'm pretty sure you wont be able to do both, whether or not its legalized.

Depends on where you are. In a probation state sure there will be some ignorance with policing.

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Old 09-04-2020, 11:35 AM   #17
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Did you get a license here in Texas?


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Old 09-04-2020, 11:37 AM   #18
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Marijuana is a law that has eased in enforcement in Texas. What having it Federally illegal does is prevents businesses from using traditional banking that any proceeds come from Marijuana. It does need to change and be addressed. It is a State and Federal money maker just like casinos would be great for Texas. Galveston would be a perfect example.

Trinidad, CO makes millions of dollars off of Texans every year coming from a prohibition state. The black market is also stronger than ever.

Leaders cannot continue to make police the enemy of the people with the failed war on drugs.


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Old 09-04-2020, 11:38 AM   #19
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Old 09-04-2020, 11:51 AM   #20
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Old 09-04-2020, 11:53 AM   #21
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Im under the impression that alcohol and tobacco kill more people and ruin more lives every year than drugs. Legalize them all and let the people do what they are gonna do whether legal or not.
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This is one thing the democrat house is going to do that I agree with. We need to deal with our drug problem in some other way than we have been doing. Doing more of the same expecting a different result.

I think we should legalize this and tax this just like we do cigarettes. Don't make the taxes too high or people will just keep going the illegal route. This will not solve our drug use problem. We need to find another way to solve that problem.
gee, I don't know. Maybe stop giving everyone free money? Maybe start leaning towards making people earn money by working?

Maybe actually punish criminals? Make prison rough. Death penalty after 3 strikes.

Plenty we can do. As Johnny on Cobra Kia would say.. Stop being pu$$ies
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Old 09-04-2020, 12:03 PM   #23
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I don't have a strong opinion either way at this point. But something to keep in mind is that very few officers have the training/certifications to arrest someone for driving under the influence of marijuana. There's no "breathalizer" for weed. So take into consideration all the stoners driving around you and your family. Not that it's not happening already...just food for thought.
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I am LE and I agree. Tax it like tobacco or however. Make penalties stiff for illegal marijuana. Will need to tax $$$ to deal with some of the problems it causes. I consider it like alcohol. It does cause problems but if someone can be responsible then it is about the same problems. Just because it is legal does not mean everyone should have to accept it. Business owner has rule no marijuana/alcohol in system and person pops hot fires without hesitation.
This is bull crap. It's either bad all the way around and should be illegal or it's not bad and should be legal. To say somethings ok so lets make it legal but then create stiff penalties is dumb.

I agree with the rest of the post BTW.
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Old 09-04-2020, 12:06 PM   #25
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You can't get Texas to allow legal gambling in their state. Good luck getting them to allow hippy lettuce to be legal.

The conservative war on drugs has been a money maker for years. Good luck getting them to turn over a new leaf.

Oklahoma has done it and in the county I live in I wouldn't be surprised if we have more medical marijuana dispensaries than convenience stores now.
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Old 09-04-2020, 12:07 PM   #26
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Im under the impression that alcohol and tobacco kill more people and ruin more lives every year than drugs. Legalize them all and let the people do what they are gonna do whether legal or not.
Fine with me as long as employers can fire if it shows up in drug tests.

And we end universal health care. I don't care if someone drugs themselves to death or to severe health problems. I just don't want to pay for it.
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No. I got my medical card here in NM. I have a personal production license that allows a patient to grow several plants with a certain number in bloom at any given time.

Iím also allowed to gift up to 2 ounces per day to other patients. Iím fixing to take on a grow for an ill veteran that needs lots of medication with service related issues. His PPL and residence. I get to do a little labor that I enjoy.


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Friend of mines son is a chronic stoner. In his late 20's and can't keep a steady job. Already been through two wives. Always blames it on anything BUT the marijuana. Family all knows different. Its so obvious. He's pretty much a parasite.

Anyway, he said that he stopped buying marijuana about 4 years ago. He grows his own. Occasionally sells only to his closest most trusted friends. Keeps it a small operation on purpose so the law doesn't get wise. Calls people that buy marijuana from a dispensary suckers and the dispensary owners slaves to the capitalist system.
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No. I got my medical card here in NM. I have a personal production license that allows a patient to grow several plants with a certain number in bloom at any given time.

Iím also allowed to gift up to 2 ounces per day to other patients. Iím fixing to take on a grow for an ill veteran that needs lots of medication with service related issues. His PPL and residence. I get to do a little labor that I enjoy.


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Hoping this is the case here in Texas by the time I retire. Seven more years

Would love to be able to try something different for aches and pains besides prescription drugs.
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Be careful guys cause once it's legal then all the other drugs will be eventually. Look at California and their pedo laws.
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Old 09-04-2020, 12:19 PM   #31
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Friend of mines son is a chronic stoner. In his late 20's and can't keep a steady job. Already been through two wives. Always blames it on anything BUT the marijuana. Family all knows different. Its so obvious. He's pretty much a parasite.

Anyway, he said that he stopped buying marijuana about 4 years ago. He grows his own. Occasionally sells only to his closest most trusted friends. Keeps it a small operation on purpose so the law doesn't get wise. Calls people that buy marijuana from a dispensary suckers and the dispensary owners slaves to the capitalist system.

I know too many people like this. I donít smoke personally and to each their own. However, if you canít function in a normal life (job, family, responsibilities, etc) than you have no business with weed. If you smoke and can still function in society then good on you. No different then me having a few beers during the week and still getting up for work, paying bills, and raising my kids.
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This is bull crap. It's either bad all the way around and should be illegal or it's not bad and should be legal. To say somethings ok so lets make it legal but then create stiff penalties is dumb.

I agree with the rest of the post BTW.

I think heís coming from the perspective that when you have the ďillegalĒ aspect of dealing and other activities is when you introduce the actual dangers of the trade. Guns, violence, theft all of those things come with the illegalities of the trade and are whatís bad and need penalty. When legal like buying a 12 pack there isnít the danger as if it was illegal.


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Hoping this is the case here in Texas by the time I retire. Seven more years

Would love to be able to try something different for aches and pains besides prescription drugs.

I feel blessed that god has given me this plant. The absolute best thing that has happened in my life in a very long time.


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Old 09-04-2020, 12:28 PM   #34
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It's remarkable how attitudes have changed on this issue. Just a few short years ago there were "legalization yes or no" threads on this website that were basically 50/50. Not sure when the tipping point was but now a majority of non-users of all ages seem to have come around. I think one factor is many have a friend or family member who have used it to successfully ease chronic pain. I knew things had changed when I went to visit a 85 year old client who was dying of cancer. This guy was uber-conservative, a lifelong deacon and teetotaler. I thought I smelled something funny in his room then saw his wife quietly pick up his one-hitter off the nightstand and hide it.
As far as Texas never legalizing, I was sure of that too until Oklahoma did it - I grew up there and know that state well - I thought they would be the last...
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Tim if you look into tobacco penalties and alcohol penalties for illegal they are stiff. That is why you don’t have much of a market for either. Make it to when people think about going the black market route it is not worth the risk
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Old 09-04-2020, 12:36 PM   #36
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I'm fine with legalizing MJ and then making harsh penalties for black market trade of it. Heck, it practically is in some places even in Texas as I believe possession of like 4 ounces or less is considered a misdemeanor. Obviously, that's not dealer quantities we are talking here, but walking around with a dime bag isn't going to get you into a whole lot of trouble.

We should focus resources on larger problems and/or drugs that really do have serious impacts on life; i.e. meth, heroin, crack, etc.

I've seen a few stoners in my day, but none of them looked tweaked out and missing teeth like meth heads. Addicts of hard drugs will do just about anything to get more. I'm not saying that MJ hasn't ruined some lives, but it's a fact that other harder drugs do so at a much higher rate.
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Friend of mines son is a chronic stoner. In his late 20's and can't keep a steady job. Already been through two wives. Always blames it on anything BUT the marijuana. Family all knows different. Its so obvious. He's pretty much a parasite.

Anyway, he said that he stopped buying marijuana about 4 years ago. He grows his own. Occasionally sells only to his closest most trusted friends. Keeps it a small operation on purpose so the law doesn't get wise. Calls people that buy marijuana from a dispensary suckers and the dispensary owners slaves to the capitalist system.
I think everyone knows family or friends like that. But pot should be made legal dang it!


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yep.. Just one more step in the wrong direction.
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Tim if you look into tobacco penalties and alcohol penalties for illegal they are stiff. That is why you donít have much of a market for either. Make it to when people think about going the black market route it is not worth the risk
I'm just saying the pro-pot guys swear pot is not harmful in any way. It's healthy they claim.

If it's not harmful it should not be regulated. Now if they believe it's harmful then yes it should be heavily regulated.
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Penalties are nothing for drugs. That's why it's a problem. The war on drugs is making someone a lot of money or it wouldn't be a problem.
Exactly!! Legalizing things is not the answer in my opinion. Cracking down on them harder is the solution. But too large of a percentage of our corrupt politicians have their hand in the cookie jar, therefore, they don't want it to end.

If we can get rid of Bin Laden, you don't think we could clean up these cartels in a few months?
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Give me Constitutional carry and you can have your dope....put it on the ballot.
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It's remarkable how attitudes have changed on this issue. Just a few short years ago there were "legalization yes or no" threads on this website that were basically 50/50. Not sure when the tipping point was but now a majority of non-users of all ages seem to have come around. I think one factor is many have a friend or family member who have used it to successfully ease chronic pain. I knew things had changed when I went to visit a 85 year old client who was dying of cancer. This guy was uber-conservative, a lifelong deacon and teetotaler. I thought I smelled something funny in his room then saw his wife quietly pick up his one-hitter off the nightstand and hide it.
As far as Texas never legalizing, I was sure of that too until Oklahoma did it - I grew up there and know that state well - I thought they would be the last...

I was amazed when I first got my card. Being a gen Xer born into prohibition I thought everyone was like the age 20ís stoner mentioned above. I thought that was the norm.
Boy was I wrong. Seeing normal people has been much more common. People in need of quality medication. So many baby boomers who have lived good productive lives are flocking to cannabis for relief.


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Be careful guys cause once it's legal then all the other drugs will be eventually. Look at California and their pedo laws.
This is one of my major problems with legalizing it. The give them an inch and they take a mile theory.

I also don't like the current situation, too easy for kids to end up getting gummies and things like that.

We also want to allow people to make their own decisions, do what they want, then bail them out when things go bad. If people want to make their own decisions, they need to live with the consequences when things don't go well.
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I don't have a strong opinion either way at this point. But something to keep in mind is that very few officers have the training/certifications to arrest someone for driving under the influence of marijuana. There's no "breathalizer" for weed. So take into consideration all the stoners driving around you and your family. Not that it's not happening already...just food for thought.
I don't know a single soul who has caused an accident while driving high on marijuana. I'm not saying it can't/doesn't happen.....but it has to be very rare. In most cases where it has happened I would make a bet that there is additional chemicals in the system as well.
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Old 09-04-2020, 02:39 PM   #48
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Old 09-04-2020, 02:40 PM   #49
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Anyone ever seen someone get in a fight when they're stoned? Lol.
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Fine with me as long as employers can fire if it shows up in drug tests.

And we end universal health care. I don't care if someone drugs themselves to death or to severe health problems. I just don't want to pay for it.
All for the tests, should test for any entitlements across the board now. Don't we pay for their ER visits etc. now anyway?

Im with you, I don't want to pay for it either but Im just not sure how much that would change from the way it is now. Not questioning you, I simply don't know what the effect.
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