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New thread kicked off... keep the information and pics rolling in! This thread is by far my favorite on TBH!

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Got it my man! Maybe ,this system will get us on a better weather pattern now!
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Hoping the upper Laguna isnt to tore up from the storm. Packing up and headed south in the morning we will see what awaits us lol. Hopefully everyone made it through without to much damage
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Will it solve my problem finding fish???
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Old 07-26-2020, 12:11 PM   #12
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Got it my man! Maybe ,this system will get us on a better weather pattern now!
Extended forecast is looking some more SW winds from the middle of next week through the weekend. Iíll be at the lease this weekend so I ainít worried about it. Lol
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Ha! Man I hope... definitely not my best year!

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Extended forecast is looking some more SW winds from the middle of next week through the weekend. Iíll be at the lease this weekend so I ainít worried about it. Lol
I wouldn't know what to do with a light SE anymore anyway. I guess I'll just keep grinding them out.
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We leave Friday for 5 days I sure hope the SW wind doesnít come but knowing my luck it will.


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Old 07-26-2020, 01:32 PM   #18
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We were down in Sargent early this week, ahead of the the storm. Hereís a view from the air!
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Old 07-26-2020, 05:14 PM   #20
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We were down in Sargent early this week, ahead of the the storm. Hereís a view from the air!

Man you got to let me know when you head down. Iím 15 minutes from Sargent. And Sargent is almost always nasty looking up close to shore like that.
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Man you got to let me know when you head down. Iím 15 minutes from Sargent. And Sargent is almost always nasty looking up close to shore like that.
Yeah man! Will give you a shout next time we head down
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Yeah man! Will give you a shout next time we head down
We can go grab dinner and some beers at Hookers at least. Listen to the same old guy sing karaoke. Lol
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We can go grab dinner and some beers at Hookers at least. Listen to the same old guy sing karaoke. Lol
My friends dad has the tackle shop EMB above the restaurant he has a good selection of tackle, does custom paint on lures and build custom rods and repair, stop by his name is Marty
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Marty's good people. Nice guy to stop and shoot the breeze with.
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So tell me about the crashed recon. How far off was he? Following gps or what?

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Old 07-26-2020, 09:43 PM   #27
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qb,

From what i have heard they were running out of the sanctuary and hit a bulkhead. I have a few picks of the boat and know of them but don't know them personally. I'm praying for all involved.
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My friends dad has the tackle shop EMB above the restaurant he has a good selection of tackle, does custom paint on lures and build custom rods and repair, stop by his name is Marty
Iíve been up there once. I owned a tackle shop in Bay City so I didnít venture into any others. I would probably stop in there more often if they were open early in the morning.
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Old 07-26-2020, 10:31 PM   #29
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Wow clicked this thread, and it fired right up! Lookin foward to followin another good one


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Well one of my favorite places is a lost from the storm. Indianola Marina burned down yesterday. Electrical fire started in the bait shop area and spread throughout part of the main building.
Worse part is my buddy is coming in from on leave this coming wkend to the house there. Might be a long work work trip for him
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From what i have heard they were running out of the sanctuary and hit a bulkhead. I have a few picks of the boat and know of them but don't know them personally. I'm praying for all involved.


I heard they were coming in which would make it easier to understand how they hit the bulkhead but who knows
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Old 07-27-2020, 07:48 AM   #32
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Looks like Loftin and I will be headed back down Nov 1 and staying until Nov 5. panhandle, mexico, or coastal... gotta get with one of you guys to learn how it's really done..
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I heard they were coming in which would make it easier to understand how they hit the bulkhead but who knows
This is port lavaca?

Not arm chair quarterbacking but it looks like they were off by a mile. I need to Google earth it

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Not arm chair quarterbacking but it looks like they were off by a mile. I need to Google earth it

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Was on the ICW in POC
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Old 07-27-2020, 08:37 AM   #35
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From what i have heard they were running out of the sanctuary and hit a bulkhead. I have a few picks of the boat and know of them but don't know them personally. I'm praying for all involved.
Whatís a bulkhead? Post the pics
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Per Victoria paper, sounds like they were in a SCB


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Not arm chair quarterbacking but it looks like they were off by a mile. I need to Google earth it

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It’s in the ICW in POC. It has a couple of entrances with bulkheads/walls that stick out into the ICW a bit. I’ve never been by there at night, but I’d assume there would be lights on the end. Judging by the pics, they hit it the way in. They weren’t off by a whole lot. It also looks like they were moving at a pretty good clip. I can only speculate what happened, were they following their gps? Were the lights out on the bulkhead? I run a bunch at night, and you really have to be on edge. When I first started doing it, man it was nerve racking. It still is, but I do every time I go fishing so I’m used to it. You have to be cautious, vigilant, and focused. You have to dim your electronics so you’re not blinded, light bars will mess up your night vision as well. Depth perception is messed up at night. It’s easy to mess up, I’ve put my boat on the bank twice. Lol

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A bulkhead is like a retention wall that keeps the ground from eroding away. You put in a bulkhead at the water's edge and then backfill dirt in.
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What I read said the entrance to the Sancuary which is between POC & Seadrift
Itís the development just under the ST in Adams St left of center.


Which means it hit the bullheads at one of the two entrances.
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This is a zoomed in pic of one of the entrances. The boat was just inside the part that wraps around on the end.

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Itís in the ICW in POC. It has a couple of entrances with bulkheads/walls that stick out into the ICW a bit. Iíve never been by there at night, but Iíd assume there would be lights on the end. Judging by the pics, they hit it the way in. They werenít off by a whole lot. It also looks like they were moving at a pretty good clip. I can only speculate what happened, were they following their gps? Were the lights out on the bulkhead? I run a bunch at night, and you really have to be on edge. When I first started doing it, man it was nerve racking. It still is, but I do every time I go fishing so Iím used to it. You have to be cautious, vigilant, and focused. You have to dim your electronics so youíre not blinded, light bars will mess up your night vision as well. Depth perception is messed up at night.
We ran a BUNCH at night duck hunting. Matagorda always seemed easy and 8 out of 10 times was in an airboat in the marsh so it wasnt a big deal. However, there was a time the fog dad almost ran us under an empty barge tied up in the ICW. We thought we were between the tie up buoys and the bank. Turns out we were on the outside of the buoys.

I used to run conroe quite a bit in the dark and each season my full tilt run got longer and longer. We didnt have GPS and rarely ran with any lights on at all. Looking back we got lucky many times running a 15' john boat thru the stumps wide open.

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What I read said the entrance to the Sancuary which is between POC & Seadrift
Itís the development just under the ST in Adams St left of center.


Which means it hit the bullheads at one of the two entrances.

Thats the spot I thought of and have passed it a few times. I thought someone mentioned Port Lavaca on the other thread which had me wondering. The only spot I could come up with in that area was around the bridge.

Like Philip said I can speculate what happened but I doubt we learn the whole truth. Either way it sucks.
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I have run boats at night a whole lot and I agree with everything panhandle hunter said. One thing I would caution people on is trying to follow their gps while running in the dark. Your gps screen will blind you enough that you can easily run into something and it is alot harder to stay exactly on a track in tight quarters than it might seem unless you are at idle speed. I would much rather run with all my lights and gps off and use my eyes than try to run and navigate with my gps. If you have to follow your gps to get where you are going in the dark you probably don't need to be running in the dark. I have seen some very close calls and very stuck boats as a result of folks trying to run by gps in the dark through tricky areas.

I'm not saying that is what happened to the guys in the SCB. I have no idea what happened to them. I'm just saying that is something to be very careful of. It seems like turning on a light bar and running only by gps and what little you can see in the light bar light would be super easy. If you don't know it really, really well that can have you hit a piling, log or run up on the bank or out of the channel really quick. There are lots of folks running around out there in the dark who honestly don't have any business running a boat in broad daylight. Add more speed and it becomes many times more dangerous. I may be totally wrong but my impression is the more expensive the boat and the more electronics and lights bolted on it the more expert the driver feels. All that stuff does not ever make up for experience.

OK, rant over. Be careful out there. Bad stuff can happen really fast. Over many years I have known quite a few people who have hit something running at night and were badly hurt or killed. Even very experienced folks. Pilings and bulkheads are still undefeated. So are dredge pipes.
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Itís in the ICW in POC. It has a couple of entrances with bulkheads/walls that stick out into the ICW a bit. Iíve never been by there at night, but Iíd assume there would be lights on the end. Judging by the pics, they hit it the way in. They werenít off by a whole lot. It also looks like they were moving at a pretty good clip. I can only speculate what happened, were they following their gps? Were the lights out on the bulkhead? I run a bunch at night, and you really have to be on edge. When I first started doing it, man it was nerve racking. It still is, but I do every time I go fishing so Iím used to it. You have to be cautious, vigilant, and focused. You have to dim your electronics so youíre not blinded, light bars will mess up your night vision as well. Depth perception is messed up at night.
I think you are right on all points. I saw the pics, looks like they were near the end of the bulkhead, not sure if it was the first entry or the second but regardless its a terrible situation. I've run that part of the ditch many times in the dark over the years. I do not remember any lights on the ends of those bulkheads but there could be, there is also a fence that runs down into the water a little ways before those that is definitely not lit.

Cannot overemphasize how dangerous running on plane in the dark is and the vigilance required to do so safely. I know from experience that when you have a bunch of gps trails in and out of a pass or jetty it does not take much to get off by about the amount that they missed that entrance, especially if your gps is zoomed out. I don't know for fact that this is what happened but I know it can easily happen that way in the dark on plane. Prayers for all those involved.
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Running at night - chop the throttles back. With many of today's boats, capable of running highway speeds......without any brakes or forward headlights = heavy chances.

Disabled boats, and or kayaks, deadheads in the water.....all pose serious risk. And you can't see any of it till you are literally right on top of it.

Night vision - it takes roughly 20-30 minutes of no artificial lights on pupils before you truly have night time vision. Electronics - you lose the night vision by huge percentages, glancing at the screen.

I run with a hand held Q-Beam handy and scan periodically - like a tug skipper pushing down the ICW and I don't run hard and fast. Even though I can run pretty shallow, on navigable sections of the ICW and or other main nav channels, I run off the shorelines at night. You never know if someone anchored or poled down, jumped out and started wading that channel edge, with no lights. And considering the big girls love to feed and breed at night, along those shallow to deep channel edges and spoil islands, many wade anglers fish these edges. And considering today's boats, designed to run skinny water, many operators run shallow because their boats can. All good in sunlight - night time, get out in the main channel. Too many unknown variables running skinny with no vis.

When I sailed at sea, nights aboard ship, were most particularly nerve wracking. We went out of our way to not screw up our night vision. Even lighting cigarettes, one guy had a cig burning, we lit our cigs from that guys cig - to eliminate the lighter flash. All lights - were dim red. Radar and nav gear - green with scope shields - which eliminates light side scatter. One had to place their entire face down into the shield to see the screen.

The marine environment is dangerous enough in daylight, factor over half more, running at night.
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Old 07-27-2020, 10:20 AM   #48
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I think Coastal hit the nail on the head on all accounts!
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zooming in on Google Earth it sure looks like there is a light on each end and maybe one midway as well. Would be terrible to learn that the light on the end was out and they mistook the mid light as the end. I can see where this would be easy to do coming out of that cut and heading into the first entrance.
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I've been by there at night and don't remember lights but wasn't paying attention specifically obviously, only times I've been in/out of it were daytime. There's certainly enough speculation to go around so no point in me adding to it but I sure hope we get some sort of details for educational purposes. One thing for sure, speed kills, and I'm betting that ICW water was moving pretty good ahead of the storm. We run at night all the time, wife is night shift and I worked nights for years so my body keeps reverting back whether I like it or not. It's definitely a different ball game and easy to get disoriented. I refuse to have even a sip of beer if I'm running at night, sometimes reaction time is all you have... people do some pretty dumb shat at night.
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