tp@wd new trout law

[ultrastealth]

One thing that you can count on, there will be a whole bunch of guides moving into Galveston and Sabine from further south hammering the upper coast fish. For every action, there is an unintended consequence.

[ram04]

Originally Posted by Mayhem

I know this is a very conspiracy theorist take, but hear me out.

If they would have made the slot 14”-19” and 3 fish a lot more fish would be caught and kept. my theory on this is the smaller fish make up more of the population making them easier to catch. A limit is 3 fish with a slot of 17-23 makes it much more difficult for a angler to fill their limits in return having even less fish kept.

I don’t think I’m that far off on this line of thinking.


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Yes, you give the majority of the population time to grow a few extra season before hitting the ice chest, which literally means keeping less for the next couple years. No conspiracy.

[DUKFVR]

Originally Posted by Mayhem

I know this is a very conspiracy theorist take, but hear me out.

If they would have made the slot 14”-19” and 3 fish a lot more fish would be caught and kept. my theory on this is the smaller fish make up more of the population making them easier to catch. A limit is 3 fish with a slot of 17-23 makes it much more difficult for a angler to fill their limits in return having even less fish kept.

I don’t think I’m that far off on this line of thinking.


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Wouldn't doubt it one bit!

[ram04]

Originally Posted by ultrastealth

One thing that you can count on, there will be a whole bunch of guides moving into Galveston and Sabine from further south hammering the upper coast fish. For every action, there is an unintended consequence.

And when they get to Galveston and Sabine they will find out the population is down here too lol. You can catch pencils all day but who wants that?

[ram04]

They are basically making the 13" rule like in east Texas but for trout.

[Mayhem]

Originally Posted by ram04

Yes, you give the majority of the population time to grow a few extra season before hitting the ice chest, which literally means keeping less for the next couple years. No conspiracy.

The majority of 17-23” fish are females. That’s what makes no sense to me. The fact of the matter is they really don’t want you to keep any fish.

The red fish are really about to take it on the chin.

For the record i am ok with the limit decrease, I just think their slot of choice isn’t smart.


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[kevin nicholls]

Originally Posted by Mayhem

I know this is a very conspiracy theorist take, but hear me out.

If they would have made the slot 14”-19” and 3 fish a lot more fish would be caught and kept. my theory on this is the smaller fish make up more of the population making them easier to catch. A limit is 3 fish with a slot of 17-23 makes it much more difficult for a angler to fill their limits in return having even less fish kept.

I don’t think I’m that far off on this line of thinking.


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I don't think your far off either. It will make it more difficult for folks to keep them and I'm sure they thought that through also. Pressure shifted south a couple years back when Galveston was full of fresh water, this will surely move it north.

[El General]

Originally Posted by Leemo

Yes and no....sexual maturity just means an animal can start reproducing, doesn’t mean the mass does, the food/protein conversion of females is exponentially higher, therefore the females outgrow this length(12-15) very quickly, therefore not targeted. It’s simple , larger female equals more eggs

One large female produces more eggs than one small female. The spawning biomass of females 12-15” is much, much greater than that of 17”-23” fish.

[npe001]

Should have done the whole coast

[ultrastealth]

Originally Posted by npe001

Should have done the whole coast

Why?

[FVR JR]

Originally Posted by ultrastealth

Why?

Fished Galveston lately? It's in just as bad if not worse shape than Matagorda on south. Many many more fishermen too.

[ram04]

Originally Posted by Mayhem

The majority of 17-23” fish are females. That’s what makes no sense to me. The fact of the matter is they really don’t want you to keep any fish.

The red fish are really about to take it on the chin.

For the record i am ok with the limit decrease, I just think their slot of choice isn’t smart.


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The way I think about it is like deer hunting, you make the 13" rule so you literally force people to shoot the mature deer. In doing so, you decrease the amount smaller deer shot which decreases the amount of deer shot period. This increases the amount of deer that make it to 13" which creates more mature deer in the heard. If you increase the size trout and reduce the limit it means it gives the population a break in the coming years allowing more fish to reach a larger size.

And yes, this should be state wide.

[ultrastealth]

Originally Posted by FVR JR

Fished Galveston lately? It's in just as bad if not worse shape than Matagorda on south. Many many more fishermen too.

I fish it a lot, and we had a good 2021. There was virtually no fish kill from the freeze, and that's verified by the TP&W surveys.

[ram04]

Originally Posted by ultrastealth

I fish it a lot, and we had a good 2021. There was virtually no fish kill from the freeze, and that's verified by the TP&W surveys.

Our fishery is more to do with flooding since Harvey and fresh water inflows during the past few springs. We fish a lot too and the only part of Galveston that i hear is doing ok (and OK is pushing it)is West Galveston Bay which I don't frequent. East Bay and Trinity Bay as well as Sabine has been terrible. There is small pods of fish scattered around you can catch (those fish are mostly babies) and have a few good days but its no where near normal.

[Jackal]

Originally Posted by Leemo

17-23 inches....kill the females
Would be better to keep 12-15 inch trout, mostly males
TPW at its best

Same thing they have done with the flounder regs.

[Tiburon1]

Originally Posted by AmmannsvilleGUY

I just hope that if the implement something like that then they need to take a hard look at not having it last forever. TP&W is known for taking away limits and never giving them back.

I read somewhere that the TP&W team that takes the survey from you at the boat ramps said something like on average there is just over 1 trout caught per boat that is caught on average. I need to find the article I read on this data and post it. It does make me wonder why there are limits at all.

It will be hard to pay a guide $650 plus tip, or even hook up the boat to the truck and make a trip for three trout from 17 to 23 inches.

I do feel like the floods from the hurricanes and over oystering is not helping the habitat.

It's a sunset provision that ends in August of 2023 and reverts back to the original size and bag limit. Which was a happy medium as there is large portion of the population of Texas fisherman who would have opted to eliminate keeping any trout for the next one to two years. The committee that TPW goes to for suggestions sent a report indicating bag limits be reduced to two fish and the slot be 16-20. This was the concession.

[SaltwaterSlick]

I'm sure glad that TX and LA have a reciprocal agreement with fishing licenses for us GOF's! Otherwise, there'd be no need for me to buy that stupid "super-combo" because the fishin' part of it as far as I'm concerned is useless as tits on a boar hog. I love to fish, and there was a long period in my life where I fished 150+ days a year, mostly in saltwater and mostly wading. I like trout (and reds) and I like to EAT TROUT. Now I go maybe 2-3 times a year... this year only went once and took my grandsons out with Capt. Glenn... we had a blast. It's just not fun anymore to me when the most important piece of gear in the boat is a **** ruler!!

[Quackerbox]

Originally Posted by ram04

Our fishery is more to do with flooding since Harvey and fresh water inflows during the past few springs. We fish a lot too and the only part of Galveston that i hear is doing ok (and OK is pushing it)is West Galveston Bay which I don't frequent. East Bay and Trinity Bay as well as Sabine has been terrible. There is small pods of fish scattered around you can catch (those fish are mostly babies) and have a few good days but its no where near normal.

Hey @snowflakekiller ^^^ remember that conversation

[Txfire409]

Well thankfully I live near Sabine and can keep la limits when launching from that side.

[220swift]

It is what it is.

I'm a guy that gets to fish at the coast 1 or maybe 2 times a year and I love to eat trout.

It's not really worth for me anymore, especially to hire a guide.

[ultrastealth]

Originally Posted by 220swift

It is what it is.

I'm a guy that gets to fish at the coast 1 or maybe 2 times a year and I love to eat trout.

It's not really worth for me anymore, especially to hire a guide.

Many of those who are pushing this think of people who eat fish as low lifes.

[ttaxidermy]

Is it a good thing or a bad thing? Who knows.. Time will tell but 5 or 10 trout limits will never be back if I'm a betting man. It's a small brush stroke in the big picture concerning TPWD.. What should concern evryone as outdoorsman in this state is that TPWD is being slowly taken over by the left wing thinkers.. The future could be ugly..

[RaginCagin]

Well is south west Louisiana wasn't already over fished it certainly will be now.

[Leemo]

Originally Posted by ultrastealth

Many of those who are pushing this think of people who eat fish as low lifes.

Sad, but true
Elitist agenda........same people who don’t eat wild game

[ultrastealth]

Originally Posted by Leemo

Sad, but true
Elitist agenda........same people who don’t eat wild game

They just want bragging pictures on their book of faces.

[ttaxidermy]

Originally Posted by RaginCagin

Well is south west Louisiana wasn't already over fished it certainly will be now.

yep

[jds247]

Originally Posted by ram04

Our fishery is more to do with flooding since Harvey and fresh water inflows during the past few springs. We fish a lot too and the only part of Galveston that i hear is doing ok (and OK is pushing it)is West Galveston Bay which I don't frequent. East Bay and Trinity Bay as well as Sabine has been terrible. There is small pods of fish scattered around you can catch (those fish are mostly babies) and have a few good days but its no where near normal.

I fish sabine 2 or 3 days a week and have no problems finding trout . Infact in starting in March I can fill the coolers from the bank ..The trout move in and and out with the salt water. Just gotta know what you are doing..
Personally I don't care how many trout you can keep . I don't eat those wormy fish.. what goes on on the rest of the coast has little to do with sabine. We have a lot more Marsh and plenty of deep spots for fish to get away from a freeze..

[ram04]

[quote=jds247;16068303]I fish sabine 2 or 3 days a week and have no problems finding trout . Infact in starting in March I can fill the coolers from the bank ..The trout move in and and out with the salt water. Just gotta know what you are doing..
Personally I don't care how many trout you can keep . I don't eat those wormy fish.. what goes on on the rest of the coast has little to do with sabine. We have a lot more Marsh and plenty of deep spots for fish to get away from a freeze..[/




What size trout are you catching and in how many different places or totally different areas of Sabine?

[HankTheTank]

Originally Posted by Leemo

That info is about as accurate as a Biden’s speech......and about as accurate as the CDC
TPW used info from Georgia to push their move on Flounder regs, go figure

What are you basing your opinion on? Seriously, please provide accurate info that supports your position.

[jds247]

[quote=ram04;16068324]

Originally Posted by jds247

I fish sabine 2 or 3 days a week and have no problems finding trout . Infact in starting in March I can fill the coolers from the bank ..The trout move in and and out with the salt water. Just gotta know what you are doing..
Personally I don't care how many trout you can keep . I don't eat those wormy fish.. what goes on on the rest of the coast has little to do with sabine. We have a lot more Marsh and plenty of deep spots for fish to get away from a freeze..[/




What size trout are you catching and in how many different places or totally different areas of Sabine?

In the spring there's 5 or 6 places I fish.. largest last spring was 28.5. I usually flounder fish so I don't spend a ton of time on trout. The only time I trout fish is if my kids want to go catch fish. Flounder fishing is not fast pace enough for them.. This time of year you can catch em over mud on the north end when it warms up in the evening.. late summer south end is where you want to fish. Especially if the water is fresh.. and if you really want to catch fish in the summer fish the docks at night..

[Duckologist]

Originally Posted by redfishted

There are no big deer in east Texas or fish in Calcasieu.

There ain't no big trout in Calcasieu anymore dats for sure

[ram04]

JDS247, Yeah I fish everything your talking about and have been for years but the places your talking about are not near what they should be. The north end usually has fish all the way across it, when it was good 70# stingers happened and 40 fish days with most over 4#’s were common. Now you can catch em, but there is only small pods of fish full of pencils. A couple weeks ago on the north end there was one spot or two spots with a school of fish. I’m sure your talking about north levee in March, of course there is some fish there but that wall use to have fish all the way down it. All summer you could only catch trout south of the causeway, like I said since the floods our population has been decimated. Salty springs will give us a boost, but right now it’s nowhere near what is should be.

[jds247]

Originally Posted by ram04

JDS247, Yeah I fish everything your talking about and have been for years but the places your talking about are not near what they should be. The north end usually has fish all the way across it, when it was good 70# stingers happened and 40 fish days with most over 4#’s were common. Now you can catch em, but there is only small pods of fish full of pencils. A couple weeks ago on the north end there was one spot or two spots with a school of fish. I’m sure your talking about north levee in March, of course there is some fish there but that wall use to have fish all the way down it. All summer you could only catch trout south of the causeway, like I said since the floods our population has been decimated. Salty springs will give us a boost, but right now it’s nowhere near what is should be.

The silt from the ship channel and hurricanes killed all the oyster in sabine. If tpwd wanted to do some good they would replant the oysters . The south reef use to be one of the best places during the summer.same with Light house cove Now it's nothing but gravel. The numbers are down but the fish aren't dead. They just move off shore. Instead of taking away limits TPWD should invest in habitat restoration.
Reducing the number of redfish would go a long way. They are the hogs of the saltwater vacuuming up everything in their path.. Reduce the slot to 16 inches and up the number you can keep. I'll eat 16 to 18 inch reds but any bigger they aren't worth keeping imo.

[ram04]

Originally Posted by jds247

The silt from the ship channel and hurricanes killed all the oyster in sabine. If tpwd wanted to do some good they would replant the oysters . The south reef use to be one of the best places during the summer.same with Light house cove Now it's nothing but gravel. The numbers are down but the fish aren't dead. They just move off shore. Instead of taking away limits TPWD should invest in habitat restoration.
Reducing the number of redfish would go a long way. They are the hogs of the saltwater vacuuming up everything in their path.. Reduce the slot to 16 inches and up the number you can keep. I'll eat 16 to 18 inch reds but any bigger they aren't worth keeping imo.

Very true on the reds and the south oyster, but lowering the trout is what is needed now. The beach was full of trout from Louisiana to Galveston this summer, those fish didn’t pull in which hurt us. I don’t want just trout I want what it use to be, if it means keeping less trout them I’ll keep less trout. Plenty of flounder and redfish to eat. I do think bringing in new oysters like they did in Galveston would be awesome.

[Quackerbox]

Originally Posted by HankTheTank

What are you basing your opinion on? Seriously, please provide accurate info that supports your position.

If I had to guess it would be living on the water day in and day out.

[El General]

Originally Posted by ultrastealth

One thing that you can count on, there will be a whole bunch of guides moving into Galveston and Sabine from further south hammering the upper coast fish. For every action, there is an unintended consequence.

I seriously doubt that.

[justletmein]

Bunch of guys go out and can't catch fish so claim we need to lower limits.

If you really want trout populations to come back then outlaw bait croaker. Not because it makes it easier for guys to catch fish but because we're depleting a direct food source for the fish we're complaining about having low numbers.

Originally Posted by Mayhem

The red fish are really about to take it on the chin.

I hope so, they compete for food sources and there's too **** many of them.

Dolphins are overpopulated too, they eat more trout than I do that's for sure.

Some of this is trolling.

[SaltwaterSlick]

Originally Posted by justletmein

Bunch of guys go out and can't catch fish so claim we need to lower limits.

If you really want trout populations to come back then outlaw bait croaker. Not because it makes it easier for guys to catch fish but because we're depleting a direct food source for the fish we're complaining about having low numbers.



I hope so, they compete for food sources and there's too **** many of them.

Dolphins are overpopulated too, they eat more trout than I do that's for sure.

Some of this is trolling.

It may be "Trolling" but what you say is pretty dang factual!

[justletmein]

Originally Posted by SaltwaterSlick

It may be "Trolling" but what you say is pretty dang factual!

The best trolling always has a little truth embedded.

[Landrover]

Originally Posted by Capt.Brown

I have no prob with that. TPWD Actually did something that makes sense

My SCI Chapter signed off on the TOP'S letter supporting the move two weeks ago. The freeze of last year was a big factor for our board members. I also was concerned about giving something up and potentially not getting it back but honestly we have enough conspiracy stuff at this point.

[Man]

I'm going to beat a dead horse and say they should focus more on them jetty folk.

[stickbow]

you guys that dont live on the coast and didnt see the carnage down here from being on the water all the time are just ****** you cant make a meat haul. grow up and let the resource recover. We had the best **** trout fishery in the country before the freeze and it has not rebounded yet even though we are making progress. there is no conspiracy on the laguna. it affects the guides wallets here and we are on the water more than anyone and most of us are supportive. be patient and go eat catfish or whatever. now let it rain...

[3rdCoastHunter]

Originally Posted by stickbow

be patient and go eat catfish or whatever.

Or largemouth bass…

[Leemo]

Originally Posted by HankTheTank

What are you basing your opinion on? Seriously, please provide accurate info that supports your position.

Opinion........hmmmmmm
I have a indirect/direct relationship with TP&W

[Snowflake Killa]

I love these debates ,and really nobody is wrong .Mother nature has always corrected things and always will. From what i saw in Port Isabel a month ago it seems to be coming back great. Lots of small trout and tons of bait. In about 2 years yall will be smashing them again.

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[Sackett]

Originally Posted by Duckologist

There ain't no big trout in Calcasieu anymore dats for sure

Man, Calcasieu is some fishy water, but I danged sure ain’t eating anything out of that system. Some of the nastiest water from the casinos on down into the bay.

[Quackerbox]

Originally Posted by justletmein

Bunch of guys go out and can't catch fish so claim we need to lower limits.

If you really want trout populations to come back then outlaw bait croaker. Not because it makes it easier for guys to catch fish but because we're depleting a direct food source for the fish we're complaining about having low numbers.



I hope so, they compete for food sources and there's too **** many of them.

Dolphins are overpopulated too, they eat more trout than I do that's for sure.

Some of this is trolling.

You ain't wrong

Originally Posted by stickbow

you guys that dont live on the coast and didnt see the carnage down here from being on the water all the time are just ****** you cant make a meat haul. grow up and let the resource recover. We had the best **** trout fishery in the country before the freeze and it has not rebounded yet even though we are making progress. there is no conspiracy on the laguna. it affects the guides wallets here and we are on the water more than anyone and most of us are supportive. be patient and go eat catfish or whatever. now let it rain...

So only those who live a real Salt Life know what they're talking about and the rest are weekend limit warriors?

No one that drives 2 hours to fish is capable of letting more fish go than they string?

How bout those coastal dwellers who soak meat, fill the bottom of the boat with fish then let them go after a pic or two and think they all swim off happy?



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[osochuck]

Originally Posted by justletmein

Bunch of guys go out and can't catch fish so claim we need to lower limits.

If you really want trout populations to come back then outlaw bait croaker. Not because it makes it easier for guys to catch fish but because we're depleting a direct food source for the fish we're complaining about having low numbers.



I hope so, they compete for food sources and there's too **** many of them.

Dolphins are overpopulated too, they eat more trout than I do that's for sure.

Some of this is trolling.

Dolphins…man that’s a love hate relationship there, fun to watch our distant cousins etc…lol

They eat a ton of fish and there’s sooo many if them. And they sure aren’t nice and cuddly! When your wade fishing or in your yak


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[bloodtrailer28]

Originally Posted by Quackerbox

You ain't wrongSo only those who live a real Salt Life know what they're talking about and the rest are weekend limit warriors?

No one that drives 2 hours to fish is capable of letting more fish go than they string?

How bout those coastal dwellers who soak meat, fill the bottom of the boat with fish then let them go after a pic or two and think they all swim off happy?



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Lol

Keep over their limit haul them to the boat throw em in the bottom take a pic of social media then toss em back and say ah their good!

[bloodtrailer28]

Originally Posted by stickbow

you guys that dont live on the coast and didnt see the carnage down here from being on the water all the time are just ****** you cant make a meat haul. grow up and let the resource recover. We had the best **** trout fishery in the country before the freeze and it has not rebounded yet even though we are making progress. there is no conspiracy on the laguna. it affects the guides wallets here and we are on the water more than anyone and most of us are supportive. be patient and go eat catfish or whatever. now let it rain...

The laguna took a big hit no doubt and last year was one of the worst for us trout fishing. Did catch some big ones but numbers aren't there.
You can say what you want about the guides and I know a ton of them down there. They are still catching limits and running multiple trips a day. How do you think multiple guides running 2-3- trips a day hauling out limits every time effects the resources? Definitely not good for it.