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Old 11-25-2021, 10:41 AM   #51
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I think the guy wrongly assumed it was a gun for sale and was simply looking at it.

I also think you froze in that situation. You should have instantly said something and took back possession of your gun before he had a chance to do anything with it.
AC nailed it. The dude was infatuated with the weapon. He has no idea how it operates or caliber. No I'll intentions. The whistle is how he calls his wife (similar to how a fella calls his dog).
You screwed up and are waaaay over thinking it.

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Old 11-25-2021, 10:54 AM   #52
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You should have confronted him as soon as he touched it and told him itís yours.
My thoughts also. Why the hesitation on saying hey thatís my rifle as soon as he picked it out?
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Old 11-25-2021, 11:01 AM   #53
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Good morning folks and happy Thanksgiving!

I appreciate everyone's comments. I can see I certainly I have way over analyzed this after it happened. Seeing yalls perspective, I need to chill out.

I am sorry this did not read well. I just haven't had a situation like this happen before and tried to express all the events as the occurred in great detail.

Lastly, I understand as a LTC holder I have tremendous responsibility and it would be an insanely poor decision to even consider anything. I am going to review ways to train for situations like this so that I am better prepared to think through things rationally in small amounts of time.

Finally, I am going to not work on puckering up. As AC said - I froze. Not good. Bad look on my end.


Thank you all for the different perspectives.
Good for you for taking the feedback and learning. There is zero reason to consider drawing here. If you had, you may have been the one in hot water for brandishing a weapon. Use your words.
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Old 11-25-2021, 11:04 AM   #54
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Huh?
Same. Who takes their scopes to get improperly mounted at BP? :-)
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Old 11-25-2021, 11:14 AM   #55
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Yeah, you should never take in a naked gun into a store...case it up.
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Old 11-25-2021, 12:10 PM   #56
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I never have any drama in my life it seems...
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Old 11-25-2021, 12:12 PM   #57
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Same. Who takes their scopes to get improperly mounted at BP? :-)

Agreed!
DIY.......it couldn't turn out any worse.
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Old 11-25-2021, 04:26 PM   #58
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One question I have from this is why are you so eager to draw your gun out?????
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Old 11-25-2021, 05:16 PM   #59
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So did the guy buy your gun/scope or not?

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Old 11-26-2021, 10:43 PM   #60
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I feel dumber for having spent the time to read this ďcrazy experienceĒ that is a nothing burger.
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Old 11-26-2021, 10:51 PM   #61
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Sounds to me like he thought it was the store's gun and picked it up because he thought it was cool and wanted to show it to his wife and brother.

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Thatís exactly what I was thinking the entire time
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Old 11-27-2021, 12:57 AM   #62
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I just kicked myself in my own cods for reading this.




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Old 11-27-2021, 07:44 AM   #63
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I think you are way overthinking things, does not sound like any real big issue. Dang sure would not be "drawing down" on someone, you are at a gun counter. Lots of guns are being handled at any given time.

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Old 11-27-2021, 08:09 AM   #64
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Glad it worked out. My friends son got shot in that store in the gun department.
You canít drop this info and leave us hanging!
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Old 11-27-2021, 08:17 AM   #65
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That made my hair hurt...

I agree with the above comments as follows;
*He has poor gun handling etiquette and may be too stupid to realize just how rude he was. That's close to slapping your wife on the rear.
*You didn't need to draw a weapon
*You froze when he picked up your rifle...Don't beat yourself up, I bet many of us would have as it sounds like a non-threatening but odd situation. Perhaps you just couldn't believe your own eyes.
*You may need to work on situational awareness and threat perception
*I really like the time you took to map it out for us...
***I too want to kick myself in the cods now***
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Old 11-27-2021, 08:34 AM   #66
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Not to criticize at all, but I would spend some time studying your LTC material and maybe do some Texas gun law specific reading on when you can and canít use your firearm in defense of yourself or someone else. Basically to save your life or someone elseís.

IMO You were not remotely in the ballpark of unholstering and that is something you need to be very clear on. You can quickly wind up in need of an attorney and a National media story if you get it wrong.

Someone picking up your rifle in that scenario should have been something very easy to handle and think through. It wasnít loaded and you knew it so there was no chance of him shooting you. Second, if he wanted to run out of the store with it, it is a property crime which you are not going to be justified in shooting him then either.

Then you have to consider shot placement, backdrop, innocent bystanders, where are stray rounds going, etc etc etc. All things that factor into even a justified shooting.

Just some things to think about and how to make yourself more prepared in the future.
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Old 11-27-2021, 08:47 AM   #67
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Same. Who takes their scopes to get improperly mounted at BP? :-)
Haha that was my thought. One thing to take it in and make sure the rings will let the scope objective clear the barrel or similar, but no way Iím letting them mount it.

Second thought was, ďSo when did this guy have his loaded rifle pointed at youĒ as they were mounting a scope on his gun for him also?
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Old 11-27-2021, 10:54 AM   #68
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Not to criticize at all, but I would spend some time studying your LTC material and maybe do some Texas gun law specific reading on when you can and canít use your firearm in defense of yourself or someone else. Basically to save your life or someone elseís.

IMO You were not remotely in the ballpark of unholstering and that is something you need to be very clear on. You can quickly wind up in need of an attorney and a National media story if you get it wrong.

Someone picking up your rifle in that scenario should have been something very easy to handle and think through. It wasnít loaded and you knew it so there was no chance of him shooting you. Second, if he wanted to run out of the store with it, it is a property crime which you are not going to be justified in shooting him then either.

Then you have to consider shot placement, backdrop, innocent bystanders, where are stray rounds going, etc etc etc. All things that factor into even a justified shooting.

Just some things to think about and how to make yourself more prepared in the future.
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Old 11-27-2021, 10:58 AM   #69
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Engineer ?

Way over thinking the situation.
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Old 11-27-2021, 12:12 PM   #70
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Did you smoke marijuana for the first time before all these events took place? Asking for a friend.
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Old 11-27-2021, 12:28 PM   #71
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Old 11-27-2021, 12:33 PM   #72
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Old 11-27-2021, 01:06 PM   #73
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Anyone have the cliff notes version of this? Itís like Aliceís Restaurant.
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From what I got out of this is the guy was trying to seal your gun anything else is bull****!
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That read like a joke with no punchline...
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Old Yesterday, 10:54 AM   #76
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Why would you consider drawing in this situation? I carry, and wouldn't even consider it at all. Reads like an honest mistake on the guys part, uncased gun on the counter at a gun store. Pretty cool takedown though. I would have left it in the truck.
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Old Yesterday, 11:07 AM   #77
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I had a similair situation at krogers yesterday when i set my usual white bread down temporarily to look at some new multi oat bread they had displayed on the endcqp. Had a gentleman to my left come and pick up the white loaf i set down and show his wife who was on my right. I kept my eye on him pretty well. In the end he placed it back down. But it was pretty tense for a bit.
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I had a similair situation at krogers yesterday when i set my usual white bread down temporarily to look at some new multi oat bread they had displayed on the endcqp. Had a gentleman to my left come and pick up the white loaf i set down and show his wife who was on my right. I kept my eye on him pretty well. In the end he placed it back down. But it was pretty tense for a bit.
You didn't draw on him???.... wuss!

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I had a similair situation at krogers yesterday when i set my usual white bread down temporarily to look at some new multi oat bread they had displayed on the endcqp. Had a gentleman to my left come and pick up the white loaf i set down and show his wife who was on my right. I kept my eye on him pretty well. In the end he placed it back down. But it was pretty tense for a bit.
I may or may not have whoop's someones arse over a bag of fresh tortillas.....
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Old Yesterday, 12:37 PM   #80
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Wow, too much drama for nothing. And, to think you even thought about drawing on the guy if you were carrying. You should reconsider carrying. You make bad decisions.
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How the story would have been written had I written it....

I went to BP and took my gun in and set it on the counter.
A guy picked it up and looked through the scope several times then whistled for someone.
I told him it was my gun and he apologized and put it down.

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Old Yesterday, 01:10 PM   #82
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ground check em!


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when you draw a diagram to tell a story like that you may be over thinking things
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Old Yesterday, 03:51 PM   #84
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How the story would have been written had I written it....



I went to BP and took my gun in and set it on the counter.

A guy picked it up and looked through the scope several times then whistled for someone.

I told him it was my gun and he apologized and put it down.



The end
Have you always been so complicated and unreasonable?

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Why would you draw on a man that is carrying a firearm that is not functional and is broken down? Was he a threat? Because he has your property that you watched him take instead of preventing him from taking? I donít think a jury would condone.
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Why would you draw on a man that is carrying a firearm that is not functional and is broken down? Was he a threat? Because he has your property that you watched him take instead of preventing him from taking? I donít think a jury would condone.
people are crazy, i got drawn on and shot at 6 weeks ago by a neighbor because she thought i was on her property sitting unarmed on my 4 wheeler. thats a story i will tell when the time is right lol.
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I just read a whole lotta wrong and nothing right.. Here is the short version..

HEY chief how about you get them D$#K skinners off of my gun!!!!

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people are crazy, i got drawn on and shot at 6 weeks ago by a neighbor because she thought i was on her property sitting unarmed on my 4 wheeler. thats a story i will tell when the time is right lol.
Wait, no, no, no...the time is right NOW! Let's hear it!

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Why would you draw on a man that is carrying a firearm that is not functional and is broken down? Was he a threat? Because he has your property that you watched him take instead of preventing him from taking? I donít think a jury would condone.
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I had a similair situation at krogers yesterday when i set my usual white bread down temporarily to look at some new multi oat bread they had displayed on the endcqp. Had a gentleman to my left come and pick up the white loaf i set down and show his wife who was on my right. I kept my eye on him pretty well. In the end he placed it back down. But it was pretty tense for a bit.
I left my shopping cart and stood by the meat counter at Brookshire's a couple years ago. I turned around put the sausage in the upper part where little kids sit, went to the front of the store unloaded the sausage and started to unload the rest of the cart...none of the stuff was mine...I didn't pay attention and had grabbed someone else's cart that was at the meat counter. I went back and they had already walked off I guess but my cart was still sitting there. It could have been bad I guess...Lol. CTom87, you'll think better next time.
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Is this still a thing?
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My honest opinion is that maybe you shouldnít carry at anytime. The use of a firearm should always be a precise and split second reaction with no hesitation or regrets.


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To recap - I portrayed a scenario and then asked a question on a hypothetical situation had someone been carrying. It's clear that I decided to forego all common sense prior to asking the question as the answer has been obvious and unanimous.

With that said, any claim that I was, or implied that I was "eager" to draw on someone is false. Pulling from the OP..."I don't think there is reason to draw in this situation...Is this something from a legal standpoint where someone in my situation could have drawn?"

The answer is now most certainly clear, but now I should forego my constitutional right at the front door? That will not happen. There's a better chance at taking grandpa's keys away. I'm just a guy who wayyyy overthought an awkward situation and then asked a "what-if" question at the wrong time before my mind was clear. I don't care how dumb the question is: talking about it is better than not talking about it. There is always something to be learned, and probably someone more than just myself can learn from this experience, so for that I'm glad for any sensible response, which there are many. Thank you.

I've owned my mistakes, sought guidance, created an action plan to better myself (post 39) and will be following through on that soon. Not much else to do except laugh about it and move on.
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