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Old 05-11-2019, 07:16 PM   #1
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Mid and lower Brazos is not looking to good. Most of the ACE lakes are well above conservation level on the Brazos. And Whitney is filling up quick with Grandbury releasing over 29,000 cfs at the moment.


Some of yall middle and lower folks may wanna start getting ready, just in case.
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Old 05-11-2019, 07:43 PM   #2
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Crossed it yesterday on highway 21 outside of bryan and that sucker is rolling like I’ve never seen it. Wasn’t far from being out the banks already
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Whitney is 19+ ft. over normal elev.
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Whitney is 19+ ft. over normal elev.

Yep. I watch it almost every day since it's one of the lakes I play on a good bit. Grandbury and PK have a lot to do with the Whitney elevation. And both of those lakes are releasing a huge amount of water at the present. I'm expecting Whitney to get at least to 28 feet above normal again.
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They have been trying to drop PK. But it keeps raining.
Got 1.2” earlier this week and 2+ last night at my house
There is still a lot of water draining into Granbury tonight and when I drove across the lake in town it was flowing pretty good

Heck I went to Pecan earlier this week below the dam and the river was moving
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Old 05-11-2019, 09:37 PM   #6
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Went across the Brazos on Interstate 20 and it is rolling.
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Rollin pretty good going into the GOM too. Up in the trees, although that doesn't take much here
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Lake Waco is 12.5 up and only letting out approx 5 cfs. Came across North Bosque at Meridian today it was still rolling.

Best of luck to all along the rivers.

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Whitney is now up to 20.95 above normal. And only releasing 6,000 cfs. Granbury did cut it's release back to 20,900 cfs. PK is still releasing over 16,000 cfs. It's all gotta go somewhere.


Summerville ain't doing so well either.
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Wow! Floks on or near the Brazos please stay alert!

Amistad and Falcon lake are extremely low. Wish there was a way to divert some of that water.
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The Brazos is again doing serious damage down here in Brazoria county..
Sad deal. This is 3 major floods in just 4 years and 1 of those was a "500 year flood" and the last(Harvey flood) was a "1000 year flood" and now this...
This crap is getting old in a hurry.. I've been here on this river 53 years and its never been this bad and its getting worse.. To much concrete is being poured and to many levees are being built on and around 1,000's of acres of land north of here. This is land that once helped dissipate this water with east and west sheet flow but now is funneled straight down on us..... Politics and BIG money are sure screwing up a lot of peoples lives down here..

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The top 49 Historic crests in Brazoria county.. This flood will be the New #6.. 5 of the top 10 in the last 4 years!!!!


(1) 52.65 ft on 08/29/2017
(2) 52.56 ft on 06/04/2016
(3) 52.00 ft on 05/01/1965
(4) 51.89 ft on 01/03/1992
(5) 51.82 ft on 10/22/1994
(6) 51.46 ft on 06/05/2015
(7) 51.05 ft on 04/24/2016
(8) 50.74 ft on 05/14/1968
(9) 50.67 ft on 02/10/1992
(10) 50.49 ft on 06/15/1973
(11) 49.88 ft on 11/29/2004
(12) 49.42 ft on 11/17/1998
(13) 48.89 ft on 07/06/2007
(14) 48.83 ft on 10/24/1998
(15) 48.79 ft on 01/11/2019
(16) 48.78 ft on 07/21/2007
(17) 48.75 ft on 04/23/1977
(18) 48.56 ft on 06/09/1979
(19) 48.47 ft on 06/23/2015
(20) 47.66 ft on 11/09/2002
(21) 47.49 ft on 07/03/2004
(22) 47.47 ft on 03/18/2016
(23) 47.07 ft on 07/12/2007
(24) 46.60 ft on 06/17/1987
(25) 46.41 ft on 06/04/2007
(26) 46.10 ft on 02/27/2003
(27) 45.95 ft on 06/24/1993
(28) 45.50 ft on 05/19/2004
(29) 45.20 ft on 03/15/1997
(30) 44.29 ft on 05/30/1975
(31) 44.08 ft on 05/22/2015
(32) 43.94 ft on 12/13/2018 (P)
(33) 43.86 ft on 01/03/2019
(34) 43.85 ft on 03/18/2007
(35) 42.96 ft on 10/25/2018 (P)
(36) 42.66 ft on 05/09/1990
(37) 42.44 ft on 04/16/1969
(38) 42.29 ft on 01/20/1991
(39) 42.07 ft on 01/11/1998
(40) 41.43 ft on 11/01/2009
(41) 41.30 ft on 10/17/1973
(42) 41.10 ft on 03/26/2012
(43) 40.52 ft on 12/21/2001
(44) 39.63 ft on 03/11/1970
(45) 37.86 ft on 02/08/1986
(46) 37.24 ft on 10/26/1984
(47) 34.83 ft on 05/17/1994
(48) 28.28 ft on 09/23/1996
(49) 22.39 ft on 03/20/1988

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The top 49 Historic crests in Brazoria county.. This flood will be the New #6.. 5 of the top 10 in the last 4 years!!!!


(1) 52.65 ft on 08/29/2017
(2) 52.56 ft on 06/04/2016
(3) 52.00 ft on 05/01/1965
(4) 51.89 ft on 01/03/1992
(5) 51.82 ft on 10/22/1994
(6) 51.46 ft on 06/05/2015
(7) 51.05 ft on 04/24/2016
(8) 50.74 ft on 05/14/1968
(9) 50.67 ft on 02/10/1992
(10) 50.49 ft on 06/15/1973
(11) 49.88 ft on 11/29/2004
(12) 49.42 ft on 11/17/1998
(13) 48.89 ft on 07/06/2007
(14) 48.83 ft on 10/24/1998
(15) 48.79 ft on 01/11/2019
(16) 48.78 ft on 07/21/2007
(17) 48.75 ft on 04/23/1977
(18) 48.56 ft on 06/09/1979
(19) 48.47 ft on 06/23/2015
(20) 47.66 ft on 11/09/2002
(21) 47.49 ft on 07/03/2004
(22) 47.47 ft on 03/18/2016
(23) 47.07 ft on 07/12/2007
(24) 46.60 ft on 06/17/1987
(25) 46.41 ft on 06/04/2007
(26) 46.10 ft on 02/27/2003
(27) 45.95 ft on 06/24/1993
(28) 45.50 ft on 05/19/2004
(29) 45.20 ft on 03/15/1997
(30) 44.29 ft on 05/30/1975
(31) 44.08 ft on 05/22/2015
(32) 43.94 ft on 12/13/2018 (P)
(33) 43.86 ft on 01/03/2019
(34) 43.85 ft on 03/18/2007
(35) 42.96 ft on 10/25/2018 (P)
(36) 42.66 ft on 05/09/1990
(37) 42.44 ft on 04/16/1969
(38) 42.29 ft on 01/20/1991
(39) 42.07 ft on 01/11/1998
(40) 41.43 ft on 11/01/2009
(41) 41.30 ft on 10/17/1973
(42) 41.10 ft on 03/26/2012
(43) 40.52 ft on 12/21/2001
(44) 39.63 ft on 03/11/1970
(45) 37.86 ft on 02/08/1986
(46) 37.24 ft on 10/26/1984
(47) 34.83 ft on 05/17/1994
(48) 28.28 ft on 09/23/1996
(49) 22.39 ft on 03/20/1988

Your table shows 1-13-2019 and 1-11-2019 to be the most recent. I'd like to see that table in chronological order as well, starting with the most recent. Also looks like most of it started in the 1990s via frequency.


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Old 05-12-2019, 01:53 PM   #14
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Your table shows 1-13-2019 and 1-11-2019 to be the most recent. I'd like to see that table in chronological order as well, starting with the most recent. Also looks like most of it started in the 1990s via frequency.


Hoping the best for ya Tim.
24 of the top 49 have been since 2001.. If I remember correctly they started recording in 1954. I may be wrong on that..

And thanks.. We dodged a bullet on this one so far but many didn't... The river will remain high for many days though so we aren't out of the woods yet.. There is a lot of water up north that is just waiting to be released..

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24 of the top 49 have been since 2001.. If I remember correctly they started recording in 1954. I may be wrong on that..

And thanks.. We dodged a bullet on this one so far but many didn't... The river will remain high for many days though so we aren't out of the woods yet.. There is a lot of water up north that is just waiting to be released..



That's what I've been watching, the Brazos Basin system. And why I started this thread. Just trying to help folks along the river out. We're scheduled to get some more rain up here in the coming week, and next weekend. We'll have to see how much we get up here. And across the rest of the basin.
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Your table shows 1-13-2019 and 1-11-2019 to be the most recent. I'd like to see that table in chronological order as well, starting with the most recent. Also looks like most of it started in the 1990s via frequency.


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24 of the top 49 have been since 2001.. If I remember correctly they started recording in 1954. I may be wrong on that..

And thanks.. We dodged a bullet on this one so far but many didn't... The river will remain high for many days though so we aren't out of the woods yet.. There is a lot of water up north that is just waiting to be released..


Global warming???
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Greed, Idiots and concrete..
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Old 05-12-2019, 02:18 PM   #19
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24 of the top 49 have been since 2001.. If I remember correctly they started recording in 1954. I may be wrong on that..
We had some flooding here in the hill country, and two of my good friends
1. Works for the local water district
2. Works as head of the area building inspection
Both are concerned about the way our local government and large corporate out of state construction companies ignore any and all rules of thumb about water run off
Choosing to just proceed with building and expanding as fast as possible
And letting the guys down stream deal with the problems
They both agree that in the USA we donít have the long term experience to deal with problems like flooding and water shortages, and site our need for more experienced ( Asian and European) hydrological consultants
So I totally understand that brazoria county and surrounding areas are in big trouble for the future
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We had some flooding here in the hill country, and two of my good friends
1. Works for the local water district
2. Works as head of the area building inspection
Both are concerned about the way our local government and large corporate out of state construction companies ignore any and all rules of thumb about water run off
Choosing to just proceed with building and expanding as fast as possible
And letting the guys down stream deal with the problems
They both agree that in the USA we donít have the long term experience to deal with problems like flooding and water shortages, and site our need for more experienced ( Asian and European) hydrological consultants
So I totally understand that brazoria county and surrounding areas are in big trouble for the future
This here... Just in fort bend county alone they are building crazy fast and taking away natural runoff and everything is being pumped into the Brazos. If you look at all the social media from last week, they all have the pumps dumping it in there. If I were Brazoria County I would be upset. Its only getting worse
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Pretty decent chances of rain tomorrow for headwaters of all dorks of the Brazos.
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The Trinity is gonna be really bad too.

They are putting in cookie cutter tract subdivisions all across the watersheds of the Trinity around D/FW. They cut the roads down low, crown the tiny lots, and use the streets as flumes to shove tons of runoff into the creeks and rivers as fast as possible.

It canít work for long for the folks in SE Texas.


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some of the above, coupled with the fact that the high grounds have long been developed...most new subdivisions around large metropolitan areas will not be in high ground areas. I lived in lake Jackson in a house built in 83'. not a drop of standing water for the last 3 big floods..newer neighborhoods were flooded...ex. north woods, audabon woods, bar x etc....no downtown areas flooded
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Old 05-12-2019, 06:52 PM   #24
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Have you boys taken some time to look at the Mississippi up in the midwest, now there is some flooding
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Iowa got hammered pretty good
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The Trinity is gonna be really bad too.

They are putting in cookie cutter tract subdivisions all across the watersheds of the Trinity around D/FW. They cut the roads down low, crown the tiny lots, and use the streets as flumes to shove tons of runoff into the creeks and rivers as fast as possible.

It canít work for long for the folks in SE Texas.


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Very good friend has family property in liberty county that the house has flooded 5 times in the last 8 years. Before that, the water got high occasionally but not like recently. Just talked to him and the house got water yesterday. Somethings changed?
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The Brazos is again doing serious damage down here in Brazoria county..
Sad deal. This is 3 major floods in just 4 years and 1 of those was a "500 year flood" and the last(Harvey flood) was a "1000 year flood" and now this...
This crap is getting old in a hurry.. I've been here on this river 53 years and its never been this bad and its getting worse.. To much concrete is being poured and to many levees are being built on and around 1,000's of acres of land north of here. This is land that once helped dissipate this water with east and west sheet flow but now is funneled straight down on us..... Politics and BIG money are sure screwing up a lot of peoples lives down here..
Agree 100%! All these levees around Fort Bend County are to blame for a ton of downstream flooding. Increased tax dollars from new developments and lackadaisical flood management.
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Agree 100%! All these levees around Fort Bend County are to blame for a ton of downstream flooding. Increased tax dollars from new developments and lackadaisical flood management.
I'm not one to holler "lawsuit" ever but it's about time us folks in Brazoria county start entertaining the thought of some sort of legal action/representation if possible against FB county...
Land is flooding down here that has NEVER seen water.. If you build anything in this county you have to build a retention pond to catch water your building has displaced yet they can push 1,000's of acres of water down on us with no push back!!! It is total BS..
I think it is time to look at our options..
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It's crazy how much development is happening in Fort bend county. I live in a LID in the county and after living here and understanding drainage through my job, it's crazy what is happening. Our levee protects our houses but obviously pushes the water to others which is something I did not understand until our first flood. The retention ponds within the levee capture the drainage from within but it's then pumped out of the levee for someone else to deal with. It's scary for the ones not protected and a shame so much low land is approved for development without out considering how it affects the areas downstream. Unfortunately it's only going to get worse.




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The whole flood control thing is really messed up. On any floor way there are multiple flood control districts who make decisions based on what’s good for them. It’s a lot like the levee boards in New Orleans. There is no overarching organization that looks at the whole picture.
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I'm not one to holler "lawsuit" ever but it's about time us folks in Brazoria county start entertaining the thought of some sort of legal action/representation if possible against FB county...
Land is flooding down here that has NEVER seen water.. If you build anything in this county you have to build a retention pond to catch water your building has displaced yet they can push 1,000's of acres of water down on us with no push back!!! It is total BS..
I think it is time to look at our options..
I agree 100%. Look at all of the developments in and around Missouri City. All of that land was previously swamp land that let the water spread out before coming downstream. Now it is all behind levees with new subdivisions & the water is forced South immediately. That would be an issue if they weren't also pumping water out of the subdivisions into the river as well.
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Agree 100%! All these levees around Fort Bend County are to blame for a ton of downstream flooding. Increased tax dollars from new developments and lackadaisical flood management.
H#77, We're building pretty fast here in BC too. More concrete and asphalt and the water can't soak in, Building in the sticks where water used to be slowed and soaked up.
If it's any consolation we, @ work, keep an eye on the river level. The Brazos is @ our back door. The Nat. weather serv. says the river crested on Friday @ 50.7 and has reached 50.4 today @5pm. The forecast says a slow drop until Thurs. then more rapid drop. This is @ the Rosharon station.
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H#77, We're building pretty fast here in BC too. More concrete and asphalt and the water can't soak in, Building in the sticks where water used to be slowed and soaked up.
If it's any consolation we, @ work, keep an eye on the river level. The Brazos is @ our back door. The Nat. weather serv. says the river crested on Friday @ 50.7 and has reached 50.4 today @5pm. The forecast says a slow drop until Thurs. then more rapid drop. This is @ the Rosharon station.


NWS had it cresting at 51.4 on Friday. 1 foot makes a HUGE difference.



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This land had never had the Brazos on it 100 years prior to this flood in 2016. The state building up HWY 35 2' higher, between Angleton and West Columbia, with no additional drainage, screwed us too. They essentially built a dam..
Holding back that extra 2' of water on the north side spreads and does a lot of damage.. That's one reason the 2 highest crests are since the highway rebuild..



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Old 05-13-2019, 10:37 AM   #35
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Greed, Idiots and concrete..
But,but,but all those houses and wal marts have their own retention ponds to prevent floods

Spare me they may help short term but dont do diddley when they release.

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We crossed it on 290 saturday and it has gone down some.
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Old 05-13-2019, 11:02 AM   #37
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I believe Uncle Gus' is the only public ramp open at this time.
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Old 05-13-2019, 12:10 PM   #38
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this morning on 1462 the Brazos was down but Oyster creek was up
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Old 05-13-2019, 12:21 PM   #39
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this morning on 1462 the Brazos was down but Oyster creek was up
The Brazos will stay in Oyster creek at Harris Reservoir until it is below 50.8 at that location.
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Old 05-13-2019, 01:25 PM   #40
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Your table shows 1-13-2019 and 1-11-2019 to be the most recent. I'd like to see that table in chronological order as well, starting with the most recent. Also looks like most of it started in the 1990s via frequency.


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I pasted this into an excel sheet and tried to sort it but couldnt figure it out. Maybe someone smarter than me can. I would be interested in seeing it also
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(3) 52.00 ft on 05/01/1965
(8) 50.74 ft on 05/14/1968
(37) 42.44 ft on 04/16/1969
(44) 39.63 ft on 03/11/1970
(10) 50.49 ft on 06/15/1973
(41) 41.30 ft on 10/17/1973
(30) 44.29 ft on 05/30/1975
(17) 48.75 ft on 04/23/1977
(18) 48.56 ft on 06/09/1979
(46) 37.24 ft on 10/26/1984
(45) 37.86 ft on 02/08/1986
(24) 46.60 ft on 06/17/1987
(49) 22.39 ft on 03/20/1988
(36) 42.66 ft on 05/09/1990
(38) 42.29 ft on 01/20/1991
(4) 51.89 ft on 01/03/1992
(9) 50.67 ft on 02/10/1992
(27) 45.95 ft on 06/24/1993
(47) 34.83 ft on 05/17/1994
(5) 51.82 ft on 10/22/1994
(48) 28.28 ft on 09/23/1996
(29) 45.20 ft on 03/15/1997
(39) 42.07 ft on 01/11/1998
(14) 48.83 ft on 10/24/1998
(12) 49.42 ft on 11/17/1998
(43) 40.52 ft on 12/21/2001
(20) 47.66 ft on 11/09/2002
(26) 46.10 ft on 02/27/2003
(28) 45.50 ft on 05/19/2004
(21) 47.49 ft on 07/03/2004
(11) 49.88 ft on 11/29/2004
(34) 43.85 ft on 03/18/2007
(13) 48.89 ft on 07/06/2007
(23) 47.07 ft on 07/12/2007
(16) 48.78 ft on 07/21/2007
(25) 46.41 ft on 06/04/2007
(40) 41.43 ft on 11/01/2009
(42) 41.10 ft on 03/26/2012
(31) 44.08 ft on 05/22/2015
(6) 51.46 ft on 06/05/2015
(19) 48.47 ft on 06/23/2015
(22) 47.47 ft on 03/18/2016
(7) 51.05 ft on 04/24/2016
(2) 52.56 ft on 06/04/2016
(1) 52.65 ft on 08/29/2017
(35) 42.96 ft on 10/25/2018
(32) 43.94 ft on 12/13/2018
(33) 43.86 ft on 01/03/2019
(15) 48.79 ft on 01/11/2019
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Your table shows 1-13-2019 and 1-11-2019 to be the most recent. I'd like to see that table in chronological order as well, starting with the most recent. Also looks like most of it started in the 1990s via frequency.


Hoping the best for ya Tim.
Here it is from newest to oldest.
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Thanks fellers!

The fish are biting, and there's hogs to be kilt. Gotta go!
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Looking at the ACE websight, Whitney is now releasing over 16,000cfs. Other lakes releasing include Belton, Stillhouse, and Limestone. Waco is letting a little water out also. So please beware of the combined release may cause another surge in river level at various places on the river. Remember, the release rates could still increase on any of the projects.


Total, it looks like a combined release rate around 30,000cfs for the middle and lower Brazos.



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Old 05-13-2019, 07:01 PM   #45
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The Trinity is gonna be really bad too.

They are putting in cookie cutter tract subdivisions all across the watersheds of the Trinity around D/FW. They cut the roads down low, crown the tiny lots, and use the streets as flumes to shove tons of runoff into the creeks and rivers as fast as possible.

It canít work for long for the folks in SE Texas.


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Old 05-13-2019, 07:15 PM   #46
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Not a big lake but Proctor lake is close to 13ft over full. It's on the Leon river that dumps into the Brazos somewhere. Camps will be closed for a good while. It's my favorite lake to camp out.
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Not a big lake but Proctor lake is close to 13ft over full. It's on the Leon river that dumps into the Brazos somewhere. Camps will be closed for a good while. It's my favorite lake to camp out.

The drainage leads into Lake Belton which is over 11 feet above normal. And Belton is releasing about 3,200cfs.
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Old 05-13-2019, 08:41 PM   #48
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This shows the data -updated daily - on the entire Brazos basin. That’s a lot of water
https://waterdatafortexas.org/reservoirs/basin/brazos
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Old 05-13-2019, 08:57 PM   #49
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Whitney 22 foot high
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Whitney is now releasing over 23,360 cfs. And for the record, all ACE projects on the Brazos system are releasing water.
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