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Old 02-12-2019, 08:40 PM   #1
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Thumbs up Senate passed big public lands bill

"The Senate on Tuesday passed the most sweeping conservation legislation in a decade, protecting millions of acres of land and hundreds of miles of wild rivers across the country and establishing four new national monuments honoring heroes including Civil War soldiers and a civil rights icon. "

"The bill would also be a boon for another constituency — hunters and anglers.

Bow hunters would be allowed to bring their weapons through national parks when trying to reach areas where it is legal to hunt. More important, it makes all federal lands open to hunting, fishing, and recreational shooting unless otherwise specified."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/clima...eres-whats-it/

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Old 02-12-2019, 09:02 PM   #2
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*** Cruz...
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Old 02-12-2019, 09:15 PM   #3
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*** Cruz...
Yea. I voted for him over Beto for reasons other than public lands, but he is dead wrong on this issue.
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Old 02-12-2019, 09:16 PM   #4
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Old 02-12-2019, 09:30 PM   #5
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Sorry. Try it now.

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Old 02-12-2019, 10:03 PM   #6
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I think I'll hold my judgement on this until I know more about it. They make it sound good, but that's what politicians do. The one sentence I particularly didn't like was that all Federal lands would be open to hunting and fishing UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFIED. You can be **** sure that the bunny huggers will try to specify as much as they're able to. National Parks don't throw the doors open to hunters, and wilderness areas are fine for the young, but a lot of elk hunters are too old to be hard core. By the time you have enough time and money to enter multiple western draws, in some cases you're too old to hump the mountains. We'll see how this turns out.
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Old 02-12-2019, 10:26 PM   #7
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It's not the politicians that worry me, it's the bureaucrats (department heads) in charge of these programs who are left with deciding how the law is applied.
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Old 02-12-2019, 10:40 PM   #8
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You bet buddy, and they don’t want you there!
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Old 02-12-2019, 10:45 PM   #9
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@662 pages, I doubt Iíll read it all. The Washington Post article makes it sound like a no brainer, but when I look at who voted against it I figure there must be something else there.

I donít get the hate for Ted Cruz, but Sasse, Lee, & Paul all voted against it. I find I usually agree with those guys politically so Iím guessing there is more to the bill than just bow hunters carrying bows on national parks.
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I think I'll hold my judgement on this until I know more about it. They make it sound good, but that's what politicians do. The one sentence I particularly didn't like was that all Federal lands would be open to hunting and fishing UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFIED. You can be **** sure that the bunny huggers will try to specify as much as they're able to. National Parks don't throw the doors open to hunters, and wilderness areas are fine for the young, but a lot of elk hunters are too old to be hard core. By the time you have enough time and money to enter multiple western draws, in some cases you're too old to hump the mountains. We'll see how this turns out.
Iíve seen and know a lot of hunters that are in their 50s, 60s, and one in his 70s still humping up the mtns. Just sayin, age has nothing to do with it. There are plenty of chances and ways to hunt the West right now, with or without draws.
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Old 02-13-2019, 03:02 PM   #11
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*** Cruz...
All 8 "nays" were Republicans. Makes me wonder if there's some extra fat in this bill they didn't like.

Cruz (R-TX)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Johnson (R-WI)
Lankford (R-OK)
Lee (R-UT)
Paul (R-KY)
Sasse (R-NE)
Toomey (R-PA)
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Old 02-13-2019, 03:28 PM   #12
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All 8 "nays" were Republicans. Makes me wonder if there's some extra fat in this bill they didn't like.

Cruz (R-TX)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Johnson (R-WI)
Lankford (R-OK)
Lee (R-UT)
Paul (R-KY)
Sasse (R-NE)
Toomey (R-PA)
Likely the fat is that its part of the republican party's platform to some extent transfer federal managed lands to the states.
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Old 02-13-2019, 03:40 PM   #13
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If you would like to help it pass the house, Backcountry Hunters and Anglers will help you send a letter to your representative spelling out your support.

https://www.backcountryhunters.org/take_action#/
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Old 02-13-2019, 03:41 PM   #14
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The problem with legislation like this is that is winds up putting land in federal hands that is best left to the states to manage, and it restricts access to the point where your right to hunt and fish matters not, because you can't access it.
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Old 02-13-2019, 03:55 PM   #15
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The problem with legislation like this is that is winds up putting land in federal hands that is best left to the states to manage, and it restricts access to the point where your right to hunt and fish matters not, because you can't access it.
By The Numbers
Acres of public land managed by the federal government: 640 million

Total acres of federal land that were entrusted to the 48 contiguous states: 156 million

Acres of those public-trust lands that states have sold: 110 million, or 70%

Acres of federal land entrusted to Western states: 64 million

Acres of those public-trust lands sold by Western states: 34 million

Estimated yearly cost of managing federal public lands in Utah alone: $280 million

Utah’s 2016 wildlife-resources budget: $85 million

Please read this article from Field and Stream before you jump to that conclusion.

https://www.fieldandstream.com/keep-...n-public-hands

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Old 02-13-2019, 04:10 PM   #16
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The problem with legislation like this is that is winds up putting land in federal hands that is best left to the states to manage, and it restricts access to the point where your right to hunt and fish matters not, because you can't access it.
No no no.

States canít handle it.
Unfortunately the feds are the best way for this and do a better job than individual states.
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Old 02-13-2019, 04:19 PM   #17
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By The Numbers
Acres of public land managed by the federal government: 640 million

Total acres of federal land that were entrusted to the 48 contiguous states: 156 million

Acres of those public-trust lands that states have sold: 110 million, or 70%

Acres of federal land entrusted to Western states: 64 million

Acres of those public-trust lands sold by Western states: 34 million

Estimated yearly cost of managing federal public lands in Utah alone: $280 million

Utahís 2016 wildlife-resources budget: $85 million

Please read this article from Field and Stream before you jump to that conclusion.

https://www.fieldandstream.com/keep-...n-public-hands
No thank you. I've hunted Alaska and seen if first hand.
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Old 02-13-2019, 04:38 PM   #18
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This bill will permanently authorize The Land and Water Conservation Fund. A fund that uses offshore drilling revenues to fund public access to the outdoors all over the nation.

If you're interested in the types of things it has funded, or to see if it has directly impacted you, find your county in the link below and see for yourself. Over $11 million and 59 projects in Tarrant County alone. At no expense to taxpayers.

https://www.wilderness.org/articles/...tion-fund-lwcf
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Old 02-13-2019, 04:54 PM   #19
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Iíve seen and know a lot of hunters that are in their 50s, 60s, and one in his 70s still humping up the mtns. Just sayin, age has nothing to do with it. There are plenty of chances and ways to hunt the West right now, with or without draws.
Yep, me too, that's why I said "in some cases". I get that lots of guys like the idea of wilderness so they have the hunting more to themselves, but some states won't let NR hunt wilderness areas without a "guide". Where does that fit in with opportunities for all ?
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Old 02-13-2019, 04:58 PM   #20
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No no no.



States canít handle it.

Unfortunately the feds are the best way for this and do a better job than individual states.


Yep, this is one thing the feds do better than the states. Example, Texas public land
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Old 02-13-2019, 05:04 PM   #21
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If the guberment really wanted to do something to provide more access to public land for hunters, they could legalize "corner hopping" in the jillions of BLM land that is cut off by ranchers that won't allow access. It just makes sense to me that if (in this "checkerboarded" BLM land) you can step from the corner of one section to the corner of another, it should be legal to do so. The ranchers don't want anyone in there, because they're leasing to outfitters. The outfitters get to hunt the whole thing and you don't. Sound fair ? It's not this way on all BLM of course, but a lot is. Anything in this bill that addresses that ?
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Old 02-13-2019, 05:06 PM   #22
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I doubt I’ll read much of it as I don’t have time so can’t say whether it’s good or bad for hunters. 662 pages is wayyy too long for anyone other than lawmakers to read and it’s in mumbo jumbo legal terms that don’t make the clearest of sense. That said, all state and federally owned land should be open to all outdoor enthusiasts for the recreation they so choose to partake in, and states selling off public land should not be allowed.

Texas is a prime example of not letting the state take over public land.
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Old 02-20-2019, 01:14 PM   #23
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Cruz has a long record of opposing public land.
He would vote against anything that protected or expanded public land.
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Old 02-20-2019, 04:47 PM   #24
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I donít understand the surprise in republicans, particularly Paul and Cruz, voting against this.

Opposition towards federally managed lands (and most other federally managed things) has always been the platform of the republican, and more-so the libertarian parties. It just happens to be an issue I lean more left on.

Youíre allowed to be conservative and not agree with your favorite politicians on some issues... think for yourselves.


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Old 02-26-2019, 07:13 PM   #25
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Old 02-27-2019, 11:37 AM   #26
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Yep, this is one thing the feds do better than the states. Example, Texas public land
Yea like the THOUSANDS of acres the feds own in my county that they take off the tax roles and private land owners have to make up the difference and get 0 access to 90% of it!!! At least the state land does hog, deer, squirrel, waterfowl hunts several times a year for cheap.
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Old 03-09-2019, 03:48 AM   #27
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I doubt Iíll read much of it as I donít have time so canít say whether itís good or bad for hunters. 662 pages is wayyy too long for anyone other than lawmakers to read and itís in mumbo jumbo legal terms that donít make the clearest of sense. That said, all state and federally owned land should be open to all outdoor enthusiasts for the recreation they so choose to partake in, and states selling off public land should not be allowed.

Texas is a prime example of not letting the state take over public land.


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Old 03-12-2019, 02:51 PM   #28
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that's why I have to hunt in OK. Just way better public access
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Old 03-13-2019, 10:46 AM   #29
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President Donald Trump held a private signing ceremony in the White House for a major public lands bill the day after his budget proposal removed nearly all the money from its most popular provision, the Land and Water Conservation Fund.

https://billingsgazette.com/news/sta...ampaign=LEEDCC

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Not a fan of opening up more BLM to drilling and think the Land and Water Conservation Fund needs to get ironed out before we call this any kind of a win.
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