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Old 09-21-2022, 10:33 PM   #101
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I'd be screwed from the get go. I suck at math. Forget trying to predict what the wind is doing and this,that and the other. I'm surprised it only took 69 tries. 4 miles is a long ways.

They had to of been fairly close with the first few shots I would think. If you're off by a mile or even half a mile how is anyone going to know that?
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Old 09-21-2022, 10:36 PM   #102
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When your bullet is traveling that far through thermals and wind changes and everything else you can think of, the math and skill will only get you within the right football field size landing zone.
Luck played a huge factor.

I glad it impressed someone here, but not me.


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Old 09-21-2022, 10:37 PM   #103
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This is how I Invision they did it.

https://youtu.be/qVbxikNBDDo

They used a little math but the rest of it was pure luck just like the guy tossing the card.

And I would venture to say that the world record only exists in their head. Nobody is going to certify one shot as a record.

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Everything had to be just right. Where I live you can see a long,long ways in some places. We've shot prairie dogs a ways off and if the ground is even too wet you can have hell walking bullets into prairie dogs. And they ain't no 4 miles away.
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Everything had to be just right. Where I live you can see a long,long ways in some places. We've shot prairie dogs a ways off and if the ground is even too wet you can have hell walking bullets into prairie dogs. And they ain't no 4 miles away.
Werenít you saying you only run cheap optics too?

You would be amazed at what a top end rig can to with even a mediocre shooter
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Old 09-21-2022, 10:51 PM   #106
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I think it would be fun to do this if I had the time and money.

Calculation of the ideal bullet path is childs play in today's measurement systems and compute environments.
Shoot enough and you'll eventually hit a 1" target. All about statistics at that point.

69 shots vs 169 vs 690, where do you stop, for records sake.
If people could clear their heads and pretend like this thread didn't exist... Then ask themselves how many rounds shot at a target need to connect to be a record? I 100% promise no one on TBH would have said more than 20 rounds for one decent hit.... No one.

Why not 10,000 rounds?

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So now that they are dialed in, they should be able to repeat it in the next 10 or 15 shots. That would convince me that pure luck wasn't the major factor in this scenario.

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Exactly. Do it again a couple more times in under 20 shots.

And I never said it was all luck. Sure it takes math and skills (mad skills, money, and time) to shoot that far.



BTW - Trophy8, you could hit that target in 65 shots

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If people could clear their heads and pretend like this thread didn't exist... Then ask themselves how many rounds shot at a target need to connect to be a record? I 100% promise no one on TBH would have said more than 20 rounds for one decent hit.... No one.

Why not 10,000 rounds?



And when you hit it I expect people here to tell you it was skill



Exactly. Do it again a couple more times in under 20 shots.

And I never said it was all luck. Sure it takes math and skills (mad skills, money, and time) to shoot that far.



BTW - Trophy8, you could hit that target in 65 shots
Imma need quite a few shots

Iíd be really interested to try with that set up! Iíve only shot just past 1800. Them boys are on a different level with that gear.
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Old 09-21-2022, 11:02 PM   #108
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Werenít you saying you only run cheap optics too?

You would be amazed at what a top end rig can to with even a mediocre shooter
On my guns. I've used some pretty good scopes too though. It's more or less what I can afford but I've used Nightforce,Zeiss and all kinds of Leupold scopes. I just don't own any myself. I probably won't ever own a Nightforce most likely. They're nice but not nice to my bank account.
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Old 09-21-2022, 11:03 PM   #109
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Couch snipers are gonna complain no matter what record is broken.....
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Itís got nothing to do with any record, for me. Itís four point four ****ing MILES!


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So we all understand 100 yards. This shot was 7700. So take your "comfortable" distance of 1 x 77 football fields.

But if you make it in less than 69 shots, to me that is a new record. Same distance with less attempts is a new record in my book. Let's beat it!
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Old 09-21-2022, 11:29 PM   #112
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Itís the same logic a child uses when they watch a grown up do something they donít understand.
Stealing. And spot on.
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Old 09-22-2022, 07:04 AM   #113
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Some of y’all must also think these guys are also the best “shooters” in the world.

https://youtu.be/gm2_6DX_0Bw


Sure hitting a target that far away is impressive, but there’s also luck, chance, or whatever you want to call it. They did everything technology possibly to prepare and it still took 69 tries to hit it once.

Congrats to them
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Old 09-22-2022, 08:03 AM   #114
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I knew an older feller who was working with another older feller, both reloaders attempting to break a long distance shooting record. My aqcquaintance helped out his friend by hiding behind the engine block of a truck parked down range to watch the target. At some point, hearing the bullets as they went overhead, he was hearing whirring. Which to him meant the bullets were tumbling and they had to go back to the reloading bench and change the cartridge concoction.
Get down range and listen to arrows. Some make a whirring noise, some whistle and the worst is feathers making an almost buzzing sound. The more helical the louder.
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Old 09-22-2022, 08:10 AM   #115
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I think if the phrase “here hold my beer & watch this” had been interjected at the start would make the shot more impressive

All joking aside….that’s an unimaginable shot
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Old 09-22-2022, 08:24 AM   #116
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In the time it took them to make 69 shots, I could walk 4.4 miles casually and knife them.

It is pretty cool how much the ELR shooting is taking off and what they are doing today vs. just two years ago. This is a driver for technology to go further and further. End goal is to get back to our military to make them better. My buddy Derek Love shot a world record last weekend in Kansas. 4 for 4 (cold bore first shot) at 2585 yds on a 36" square target. That to me is more impressive than lobbing 69 into the abyss
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Old 09-22-2022, 08:35 AM   #117
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In the time it took them to make 69 shots, I could walk 4.4 miles casually and knife them.

It is pretty cool how much the ELR shooting is taking off and what they are doing today vs. just two years ago. This is a driver for technology to go further and further. End goal is to get back to our military to make them better. My buddy Derek Love shot a world record last weekend in Kansas. 4 for 4 (cold bore first shot) at 2585 yds on a 36" square target. That to me is more impressive than lobbing 69 into the abyss
Now that's impressive.

That's 1.47 ****ing miles Dale
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Old 09-22-2022, 08:39 AM   #118
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4 for 4 (cold bore first shot) at 2585 yds on a 36" square target. That to me is more impressive than lobbing 69 into the abyss
Definitely much more impressive than shooting over 3 boxes before hitting a "record." Not that I could do either one
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In the time it took them to make 69 shots, I could walk 4.4 miles casually and knife them.

It is pretty cool how much the ELR shooting is taking off and what they are doing today vs. just two years ago. This is a driver for technology to go further and further. End goal is to get back to our military to make them better. My buddy Derek Love shot a world record last weekend in Kansas. 4 for 4 (cold bore first shot) at 2585 yds on a 36" square target. That to me is more impressive than lobbing 69 into the abyss
Man what do you know about long range stuff bro?!





Thatís WAY more impressive. Thatís incredibly difficult.
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Old 09-22-2022, 08:47 AM   #120
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Itís got nothing to do with any record, for me. Itís four point four ****ing MILES!
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So if some random guy sets up a target at 4.5 miles (or 4.41) and hits the target but takes 3,000 rounds is he the new record holder in your book?

There have to be some lines drawn or rules set of some kind or it doesn't make a lot of sense.

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So we all understand 100 yards. This shot was 7700. So take your "comfortable" distance of 1 x 77 football fields.

But if you make it in less than 69 shots, to me that is a new record. Same distance with less attempts is a new record in my book. Let's beat it!
This is at least a logical way to look at it.
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Old 09-22-2022, 08:52 AM   #121
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[QUOTE=trophy8;16413803]Man what do you know about long range stuff bro?!

Precisely, nothing!
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I think Hoggslayer & Moser are gonna challenge one another to a 4.5 mile dual for a new record
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I think Hoggslayer & Moser are gonna challenge one another to a 4.5 mile dual for a new record
With pistols.
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Old 09-22-2022, 09:26 AM   #124
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I heard some jihadist was busting off 7.62 rounds from a full auto AK in pakistan last weekend during a wedding and killed a dude that was 4.6 miles away.

where's his award?
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I heard some jihadist was busting off 7.62 rounds from a full auto AK in pakistan last weekend during a wedding and killed a dude that was 4.6 miles away.

where's his award?
Mortars.
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With pistols.
Long barrel pistols of course
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Old 09-22-2022, 09:39 AM   #127
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Ruger LCP.

7 rounds each. I should be able to do it in 3.
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Old 09-22-2022, 10:52 AM   #128
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I shot a prairie dog at 485 with 3 shots from an old Remington .270 and without a calculator. I'd take mine over theirs any day.
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Old 09-22-2022, 10:55 AM   #129
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How much does the earth curve in 4.4 miles? And how much spin on the earths axis is there in 24 seconds? My math skills alone would keep me out of the running. I can see a stop sign out of one of our blinds on a hill and it is 6 miles away. The only time I can make it out with my Swaro's is when the sun is reflecting off of it. It looks like the end of a needle
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I'll start out holding the target for them while sitting in a big lawn chair, drinking a cold drink.. I'm sure I'll need relief at some point though.. Who's in??
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How much does the earth curve in 4.4 miles? And how much spin on the earths axis is there in 24 seconds? My math skills alone would keep me out of the running. I can see a stop sign out of one of our blinds on a hill and it is 6 miles away. The only time I can make it out with my Swaro's is when the sun is reflecting off of it. It looks like the end of a needle
CURVE???? It's flat haven't you heard the latest??
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In the time it took them to make 69 shots, I could walk 4.4 miles casually and knife them.

It is pretty cool how much the ELR shooting is taking off and what they are doing today vs. just two years ago. This is a driver for technology to go further and further. End goal is to get back to our military to make them better. My buddy Derek Love shot a world record last weekend in Kansas. 4 for 4 (cold bore first shot) at 2585 yds on a 36" square target. That to me is more impressive than lobbing 69 into the abyss
I wasn't gonna jump in but I have to agree with Jake 100%. 4 for 4 at 2585 on 36" blows my skirt up way more (I don't normally wear a skirt but it is 2022 and $20 is $20...)
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Now that's impressive.

That's 1.47 ****ing miles Dale
The other folks were three times that distance….three times!!

Both are pretty amazing feats….congrats to all of them.
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In the time it took them to make 69 shots, I could walk 4.4 miles casually and knife them.

It is pretty cool how much the ELR shooting is taking off and what they are doing today vs. just two years ago. This is a driver for technology to go further and further. End goal is to get back to our military to make them better. My buddy Derek Love shot a world record last weekend in Kansas. 4 for 4 (cold bore first shot) at 2585 yds on a 36" square target. That to me is more impressive than lobbing 69 into the abyss

Itís incredibly impressive! 2585yds itself is hard to imagine shooting cold.

Why doesnít he try it at 4+ miles? Why not 2 1/2?


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Any guesses on the bullet drop at that distance?
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even walking it on is impressive. If you are off by 20 yards how much would you move the barrel to correct it? a small fraction of an inch? if the wind changes 2mph what does that do to the travel. I don't understand anyone throwing shade on this unless they have done better.

the speed of the earths rotation is 1500 feet per second or thereabout.
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The highest point of the trajectory arc was over 2500 feet. That is two Empire State buildings stacked on top of each other.

Spin drift on the bullet from the right hand rifling was over 36 MOA but with conditions they had 53 MOA cranked in.
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The highest point of the trajectory arc was over 2500 feet. That is two Empire State buildings stacked on top of each other.

Spin drift on the bullet from the right hand rifling was over 36 MOA but with conditions they had 53 MOA cranked in.
Where did you find these other details?
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https://nomadrifleman.com/world-record-shot/

Had a Vortex scope on it too, Lol.

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Itís incredibly impressive! 2585yds itself is hard to imagine shooting cold.

Why doesnít he try it at 4+ miles? Why not 2 1/2?


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Why not get on a mountain and shoot out 10 or 12 miles? Just need a few thousand rounds of cheap ammo and 1 or 2 hundred spotters.
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CURVE???? It's flat haven't you heard the latest??
My Bad
A flat 4.4 mile shot would be way to simple
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Thatís WAY more impressive. Thatís incredibly difficult.
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I wasn't gonna jump in but I have to agree with Jake 100%. 4 for 4 at 2585 on 36" blows my skirt up way more (I don't normally wear a skirt but it is 2022 and $20 is $20...)
I understand exactly what you guys are saying. I don't do the ELR stuff, but I appreciate what people are able to accomplish with it. But what you guys are talking about, and what these guys did are hardly the same thing. It's like comparing John Force in his funny car winning 4 titles in a row, to some guy getting a car to 400Mph on the flats at Bonneville. They are the same at their core, but they have entirely different goals and means to get there, because they face different obstacles. Someone has to push the envelope, and someone has to find a way to make it somewhat repeatable. Both still extremely impressive.

And btw, at some point some guy hit a target at 2500yds for the 1st time, with his umpteenth shot, was the 1st to do it, and they used that data and technology to come up with the stuff that guys use now to make that shot 4 of 4 cold.




This "Luck" bull**** still isn't going to fly at 4.4 miles, the variables are just too numerous, and too extreme. I don't have the working knowledge that some of you guys on this thread do, but I KNOW the luck theory is bull****. You can decide for yourself what is more impressive, but save the "anyone could do it in 70 shots" nonsense....that's pure ignorance.

I wish they had a spray chart available of the previous 68 shots, but that would be very difficult to do based on the fact the "spotters" have to go purely by the sound of the bullets impact. At that range the speed/angle of the bullets were such that they don't make "dust", just penetrate the ground. I'd also really like to know if they shot any more after the bullseye, and what that looked like. I'm sure they're saving all of the details for a youtube video, or something they can monetize. And maybe they couldn't get close again, the article itself said that it was "not statistically repeatable". Of course, they likely said that the 1st time someone did it at 2500yds too.
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A flat 4.4 mile shot would be way to simple
Yep....you just walk it on target.
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I think for those that taking the approach, "I can do that in 70 attempts".....go give it a try at a mile on an 8 inch target and let us know if you get even close.

Video please and let us know who is taking/holding the money on the bets.
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Old 09-22-2022, 01:18 PM   #146
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Get down range and listen to arrows. Some make a whirring noise, some whistle and the worst is feathers making an almost buzzing sound. The more helical the louder.
Ive heard some just up range but my donkeys and cows spook from down range when I shoot so I know they hear them.

50 cal necked down to 40 cal is super cool.

I gotta read more to see if they set up for a counter vailing wind to counteract the bullet spin drift. And….
How did the shooter see around the barrel?

I thought several things were very interesting from the first article posted:
They were shooting blind but the posted article doesnt say so specifically. Listening for impact because the bullets were so slow they werent kicking up dust and dirt. Shooter and spotters were blinded.

They used a shorter and fatter projectile versus a normal ELR long and skinny projectile.

They didnt use full scope power but dialed back for better sight clarity.
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Old 09-22-2022, 01:21 PM   #147
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Why not get on a mountain and shoot out 10 or 12 miles? Just need a few thousand rounds of cheap ammo and 1 or 2 hundred spotters.
Exhibit A...lol
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Old 09-22-2022, 01:34 PM   #148
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https://nomadrifleman.com/world-record-shot/

Had a Vortex scope on it too, Lol.
Thanks for the link.

Pretty interesting that they used a Vortex scope, and Leupold rings. There's a ton of guys on here that spend 3X that much on glass and rings to shoot 800yards. Nightforce, Huskemaw, Talley, etc...

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Old 09-22-2022, 01:52 PM   #149
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This "Luck" bull**** still isn't going to fly at 4.4 miles, the variables are just too numerous, and too extreme. I don't have the working knowledge that some of you guys on this thread do, but I KNOW the luck theory is bull****. You can decide for yourself what is more impressive, but save the "anyone could do it in 70 shots" nonsense....that's pure ignorance.
Its LUCK Dale. If the bullet passed thru a buzzard fart during its flight, it would throw it of by 50 ft.

This is why I stay out of the PACE and the Collage football thread.
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Old 09-22-2022, 01:54 PM   #150
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well after 5, 10,20 or 60 shots is it considered random luck?
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