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Originally posted by QuackHunter View PostNo reason not to, I run one on my EDC and love it. The ifs ans or buts about them not working really isn’t valid if you take care of your stuff and change batteries timely. Like changing oil in your truck it’s just maintenance. To me pistol optics are faster than irons, but like with either you need to properly train to be proficient.
Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkOriginally posted by Arrowthreat View PostI guess I'm going to stir the pot a little bit here...
One of my best friends is currently in a high speed unit that I'm not going to name. We were just having this conversation the other day. They did a ton of testing and brought in a lot of real world experience before they switched over. They run Glock 19's with Trijicon MRO's on all of their secondary's now. They know a lot more than the key board warriors do on a bow hunting website.
However, Personally I don't run one. I shoot IDPA Stock service pistol class, so I'm just used to running my Trijicon HD iron sights.
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Originally posted by westtexducks View PostHere is the thing the most Joe Carry folks are not going to keep up with the batteries. They aren't going to remember to check the optic once a week, or swap batteries every 6 months or whatever the case maybe. Someone that shoots weekly or daily sure might be a good fit. Or a high speed as you say unit yeah they are going to keep their gear in good shape and charged or batteries in it. But Joe Public will not, and Joe Public is more likely to run out of batteries than he is to have any issues with his iron sites getting messed up. That's why I don't like them on a carry gun and will not suggest them.
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Originally posted by westtexducks View PostHere is the thing the most Joe Carry folks are not going to keep up with the batteries. They aren't going to remember to check the optic once a week, or swap batteries every 6 months or whatever the case maybe. Someone that shoots weekly or daily sure might be a good fit. Or a high speed as you say unit yeah they are going to keep their gear in good shape and charged or batteries in it. But Joe Public will not, and Joe Public is more likely to run out of batteries than he is to have any issues with his iron sites getting messed up. That's why I don't like them on a carry gun and will not suggest them.
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Originally posted by TX03RUBI View PostNon issue if the dot fails or battery is dead in most cases.The irons are still present in most cases (not all). Then they’re in the same situation as if they didn’t have a dot.
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Originally posted by westtexducks View PostHere is the thing the most Joe Carry folks are not going to keep up with the batteries. They aren't going to remember to check the optic once a week, or swap batteries every 6 months or whatever the case maybe. Someone that shoots weekly or daily sure might be a good fit. Or a high speed as you say unit yeah they are going to keep their gear in good shape and charged or batteries in it. But Joe Public will not, and Joe Public is more likely to run out of batteries than he is to have any issues with his iron sites getting messed up. That's why I don't like them on a carry gun and will not suggest them.
It’s just part of proper gear and gun maintenance. Keep stuff on hand you may need, and if you carry you should be handling your gun everyday and at least dry firing once a week if not every day. I think there is a lot of resistance to the change that’s unwarranted. People don’t like change and I get that, but it’s not something that adds this mystical 5th dimension. They’re simple and easy to maintain, and for the most part built pretty dang tough and you can still superimpose the dot wherever you’re aiming if the lens becomes obstructed.
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Originally posted by Arrowthreat View PostI guess I'm going to stir the pot a little bit here...
One of my best friends is currently in a high speed unit that I'm not going to name. We were just having this conversation the other day. They did a ton of testing and brought in a lot of real world experience before they switched over. They run Glock 19's with Trijicon MRO's on all of their secondary's now. They know a lot more than the key board warriors do on a bow hunting website.
However, Personally I don't run one. I shoot IDPA Stock service pistol class, so I'm just used to running my Trijicon HD iron sights.
We beat this horse to death a while back (Irons vs dots) and for a strictly carry for self defense purpose, I'm in the iron sight camp. Now if you carry while riding the ranch or have a multi use pistol there's no reason not to have a dot.
I shoot USPSA in both the Open division (dots) and the limited division (no dots). I've tested myself on the clock to see which pistol I could draw and fire the fastest on a target at 7 yards and get an A zone hit and my iron sight gun wins nearly every time. The reason for that is the irons act as a reference point to get lined up and get a shot off quickly. With a dot if you don't get a good grip on the draw it will take a fraction of a second longer to find the dot and get it on target. Where the dot really shines (pun intended) is for follow up shots, every shot after the first from the draw will be much slower when having to line up the iron sights vs moving the dot back to POA.
In a situation where I would need to use my CCW the most important shot will be the first shot after drawing from the holster. In that situation stress level will be through the roof and the chances of getting a textbook grip on my pistol are slim to none. That bad grip means I would be moving the gun around to correct my grip and find a dot vs using the irons that are visible no matter how wonky you hold the gun..
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Originally posted by Clay C View PostNot to mention it's easy to make hits by centering the target in the window.
I took the Scott Jedlinski Red Dot instructor class and we ran several drills with our dots off. A dead battery is a non- issue at this point if you train for it.
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Originally posted by westtexducks View PostThis was discussed pretty thoroughly probably 6-8 months back on here, there are 2 camps. Those that think it is dumb and those that think it is greatest thing since sliced bread.
I am in the I think it is dumb category. I would not trust one on my everyday carry weapon. I wont it to work 100% of the time no ifs ands or buts so I will just run irons on all of my daily carry stuff. Even on my AR and such it has a low power scope on it to keep from having to rely on a battery whether it will work that day or not. Or I would run a tritium reticle of some sort like the trijicon optics.
Originally posted by westtexducks View PostHere is the thing the most Joe Carry folks are not going to keep up with the batteries. They aren't going to remember to check the optic once a week, or swap batteries every 6 months or whatever the case maybe. Someone that shoots weekly or daily sure might be a good fit. Or a high speed as you say unit yeah they are going to keep their gear in good shape and charged or batteries in it. But Joe Public will not, and Joe Public is more likely to run out of batteries than he is to have any issues with his iron sites getting messed up. That's why I don't like them on a carry gun and will not suggest them.
They will fail if you don't change the oil or put gas in them....Last edited by BigJimmyRustler; 05-04-2021, 03:12 PM.
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Originally posted by QuackHunter View PostIt’s just part of proper gear and gun maintenance. Keep stuff on hand you may need, and if you carry you should be handling your gun everyday and at least dry firing once a week if not every day. I think there is a lot of resistance to the change that’s unwarranted. People don’t like change and I get that, but it’s not something that adds this mystical 5th dimension. They’re simple and easy to maintain, and for the most part built pretty dang tough and you can still superimpose the dot wherever you’re aiming if the lens becomes obstructed.
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Originally posted by bloodtrail18 View PostThat's an awful big optic to be mounting to a Glock 19... More likely they use the Trijicon RMR.
We beat this horse to death a while back (Irons vs dots) and for a strictly carry for self defense purpose, I'm in the iron sight camp. Now if you carry while riding the ranch or have a multi use pistol there's no reason not to have a dot.
I shoot USPSA in both the Open division (dots) and the limited division (no dots). I've tested myself on the clock to see which pistol I could draw and fire the fastest on a target at 7 yards and get an A zone hit and my iron sight gun wins nearly every time. The reason for that is the irons act as a reference point to get lined up and get a shot off quickly. With a dot if you don't get a good grip on the draw it will take a fraction of a second longer to find the dot and get it on target. Where the dot really shines (pun intended) is for follow up shots, every shot after the first from the draw will be much slower when having to line up the iron sights vs moving the dot back to POA.
In a situation where I would need to use my CCW the most important shot will be the first shot after drawing from the holster. In that situation stress level will be through the roof and the chances of getting a textbook grip on my pistol are slim to none. That bad grip means I would be moving the gun around to correct my grip and find a dot vs using the irons that are visible no matter how wonky you hold the gun..
Yes I meant RMR (I just sold an MRO). I prefer iron sights too, but again, it comes down to training. I wouldn't say irons are better just because I'm faster with iron sights. That's obviously not the case for a lot of guys. That's my point.
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Originally posted by BigJimmyRustler View PostDid you know even with dead batteries on a red dot pistol you can still just use the irons on the pistol? It the same premise.
Do you also suggest people not own motor vehicles?
They will fail if you don't change the oil or put gas in them....
And comparing a car to a ccw pistol is like comparing a potato to an apple. Not even close. And yes I know more than a few people who have burned up a car not changing the oil. You guys have to much faith in humanity. If your on this thread reading this you are not on the same playing field as most of the gun owning community.
No skin off my back. But I will never suggest to a beginner, new shooter or the general public to put their faith in an electronic device for something they may have to use in a life or death scenario.
But if you maintain it keep it functional and practice with it yeah it is the superior optic but most folks don't do that. So blindly telling folks to do that is bad form with out adding that caveat.
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